Faithful Lose Faith in Their President - The Orange Mane

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-15-2007, 09:45 PM

Could it possibly get any worse for George Bush?

Could he possibly be any less popular?

Yes, if diehard Republicans start to abandon him.

And that, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, is what is now happening.

Bush's approval rating fell to the lowest level ever in the poll -- just 29 percent.

That's a drop of six points since April, the last time when the NBC/Journal pollsters were in the field.

Polls by various media groups have for weeks been showing a decline in approval ratings for the president. But the acceleration in that decline in recent surveys has pushed the president into what even Republican analysts suggest is dangerous turf: the territory where it becomes hard for him to get a serious hearing even from formerly friendly members of Congress, and where a risky act like pardoning Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I "Scooter" Libby, could embolden Congressional Democrats to mount serious inquiries and challenges to the president's authority.

Where's the trouble?

With Republicans.

According to NBC's analysis, "Back in April, 75 percent of Republicans approved of Bush's job performance, compared with 21 percent who disapproved. Now, only 62 percent of Republican approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove."

A lot of the problem is with the immigration issue, according to poll analyst Jay Campbell. The Republican right has worked hard to stir anti-immigrant sentiment at the party's base. Now that Bush is working with Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy ☼ to achieve comprehensive immigration reform, the most avid Grand Old Partiers are none to happy with their president.

But immigration is just one piece of a broader puzzle. If Bush had not already raised serious doubts with his handling of the war in Iraq, his budget-busting approach to spending and his antipathy toward basic freedoms that conservatives hold as dear as liberals, he would probably have been better positioned to maintain the faith of the party faithful.

That faith is slipping fast, however. And the latest polls numbers may not be the last stop on Bush's downhill ride.

Indeed, if numbers pointing to a growing sense of malaise are right, Republicans may be coming to the conclusion that the president they defended against all comers for six years just can't handle the job.

In that sense, they are like most Americans.

Should Democrats celebrate? Perhaps, but not too much. While the Congress, which is now under Democratic leadership, is almost as unpopular as the Republican-led Congress it replaced in January, the divisions within the Republican camp are likely to lead to more infighting -- not to mention panic -- within an increasingly uncertain Grand Old Party. That will probably help the relatively united Democrats survive their own slipping approval ratings.

Of course, Democrats would be doing much better if they noted the distaste that American's are expressing for the current direction of the country. A mere 19 percent believe George Bush's United States is headed in the right direction.

This is the first time in 15 years that the "right direction" number has fallen below 20 percent.

At a point when what NBC refers to as a "whopping" 68 percent of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, Democrats might want entertain the notion that it is time to break with Bush on the war in Iraq, trade policy, tax policy and just about everything else.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/?pid=205509

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-15-2007, 10:20 PM

spdirty · 06-15-2007, 11:36 PM

I think his approval numbers should be lower than 62. I don't believe that poll, that number is too high.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-16-2007, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

I think his approval numbers should be lower than 62. I don't believe that poll, that number is too high.

Yeah, that one left me scratching my head too.

Where are all those repubs (62%) who still support the pinhead?

In the closet?

BroncoBuff · 06-16-2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

I think his approval numbers should be lower than 62. I don't believe that poll, that number is too high.

Those numbers seem a little henky to me too. That's a big drop in six weeks ... with not much going on, save for the yellow streaks getting brighter on Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi's backs.

But these kinds of numbers don't matter anymore really. The nexus of Neocons and AZM Members (American Zealotry Movement) who run the country now will do as they please. Partly because of those numbers, there's no brakes on this train now.

TailgateNut · 06-16-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

But these kinds of numbers don't matter anymore really. The nexus of Neocons and AZM Members (American Zealotry Movement) who run the country now will do as they please. Partly because of those numbers, there's no brakes on this train now.

SNAFU!...scary, isn't it?

Stormontheplains · 06-16-2007, 10:35 AM

I talk with average people, and big money from my area and the same thing is said by everyone. If he passes the immigration bill, Kansas may be blue at the next presidential vote. Speaking for myself, if the bill does pass with amnesty, the GOP will lose my money, votes, and my children's votes. Bush is considered a back stabbing SOB from what one local senate member told me who is spending his 2cd year in Topeka. This bill WILL change the landscape of voting patterns for years to come.

spdirty · 06-16-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

I talk with average people, and big money from my area and the same thing is said by everyone. If he passes the immigration bill, Kansas may be blue at the next presidential vote. Speaking for myself, if the bill does pass with amnesty, the GOP will lose my money, votes, and my children's votes. Bush is considered a back stabbing SOB from what one local senate member told me who is spending his 2cd year in Topeka. This bill WILL change the landscape of voting patterns for years to come.

If this bill goes through the Senate, there is no way in hell it would pass the House.

But if it does get through the house I wouldn't be surprised to see a big ass march on Washington...and Id be there.

BroncoBuff · 06-18-2007, 03:08 AM

Yeah, it's DOA in the House from what I've read.

06-15-2007, 09:45 PM	#1
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	Faithful Lose Faith in Their President Could it possibly get any worse for George Bush? Could he possibly be any less popular? Yes, if diehard Republicans start to abandon him. And that, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, is what is now happening. Bush's approval rating fell to the lowest level ever in the poll -- just 29 percent. That's a drop of six points since April, the last time when the NBC/Journal pollsters were in the field. Polls by various media groups have for weeks been showing a decline in approval ratings for the president. But the acceleration in that decline in recent surveys has pushed the president into what even Republican analysts suggest is dangerous turf: the territory where it becomes hard for him to get a serious hearing even from formerly friendly members of Congress, and where a risky act like pardoning Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, I "Scooter" Libby, could embolden Congressional Democrats to mount serious inquiries and challenges to the president's authority. Where's the trouble? With Republicans. According to NBC's analysis, "Back in April, 75 percent of Republicans approved of Bush's job performance, compared with 21 percent who disapproved. Now, only 62 percent of Republican approve, versus 32 percent who disapprove." A lot of the problem is with the immigration issue, according to poll analyst Jay Campbell. The Republican right has worked hard to stir anti-immigrant sentiment at the party's base. Now that Bush is working with Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy ☼ to achieve comprehensive immigration reform, the most avid Grand Old Partiers are none to happy with their president. But immigration is just one piece of a broader puzzle. If Bush had not already raised serious doubts with his handling of the war in Iraq, his budget-busting approach to spending and his antipathy toward basic freedoms that conservatives hold as dear as liberals, he would probably have been better positioned to maintain the faith of the party faithful. That faith is slipping fast, however. And the latest polls numbers may not be the last stop on Bush's downhill ride. Indeed, if numbers pointing to a growing sense of malaise are right, Republicans may be coming to the conclusion that the president they defended against all comers for six years just can't handle the job. In that sense, they are like most Americans. Should Democrats celebrate? Perhaps, but not too much. While the Congress, which is now under Democratic leadership, is almost as unpopular as the Republican-led Congress it replaced in January, the divisions within the Republican camp are likely to lead to more infighting -- not to mention panic -- within an increasingly uncertain Grand Old Party. That will probably help the relatively united Democrats survive their own slipping approval ratings. Of course, Democrats would be doing much better if they noted the distaste that American's are expressing for the current direction of the country. A mere 19 percent believe George Bush's United States is headed in the right direction. This is the first time in 15 years that the "right direction" number has fallen below 20 percent. At a point when what NBC refers to as a "whopping" 68 percent of Americans think the country is on the wrong track, Democrats might want entertain the notion that it is time to break with Bush on the war in Iraq, trade policy, tax policy and just about everything else. http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/?pid=205509

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06-15-2007, 10:20 PM	#2
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697

06-15-2007, 11:36 PM	#3
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	I think his approval numbers should be lower than 62. I don't believe that poll, that number is too high.

06-16-2007, 10:35 AM	#7
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	I talk with average people, and big money from my area and the same thing is said by everyone. If he passes the immigration bill, Kansas may be blue at the next presidential vote. Speaking for myself, if the bill does pass with amnesty, the GOP will lose my money, votes, and my children's votes. Bush is considered a back stabbing SOB from what one local senate member told me who is spending his 2cd year in Topeka. This bill WILL change the landscape of voting patterns for years to come.

06-18-2007, 03:08 AM	#9
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,470 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Yeah, it's DOA in the House from what I've read.