Anyone else a little worried about the Safety position? - The Orange Mane

ludo21 · 06-06-2007, 10:48 AM

So we got:

Lynch - an animal, but come on, he isnt getting younger, but I do think he has 1 more good year.
Fergy - how will he come back from that injury?
Brandon - same thing, but worse... I really hope he is back, he started to improve the past 2 years.
Hamza - besides that fluff piece earlier, is he anything more than a ST'er?
Cox - saw many good things from him last year, thats for sure.

So I see, maybe 1 solid guy in there, Lynch, but he is aging.

Can anyone convince me that this position wont hold our Defense back?

Beantown Bronco · 06-06-2007, 10:51 AM

Sure, it's a position of weakness, but two things make me less concerned about it:

1. Bates' system supposedly rewards safeties who can tackle and play in the box more as opposed to covering WRs down the field. Our guys do this very well.

2. Safety is either the least or second least (perhaps to TE) important position on the football field depending on who you talk to.

Jens1893 · 06-06-2007, 10:53 AM

It´s my #1 need for the 08 Draft right now. We need to get younger, but I hope Fergy and Lynch can get the job done for one more year.

Dukes · 06-06-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens1893

It´s my #1 need for the 08 Draft right now. We need to get younger, but I hope Fergy and Lynch can get the job done for one more year.

I'm hoping Brandon, Abdullah or Cox can step in and beat out Fergy

ludo21 · 06-06-2007, 10:57 AM

Our corners are very good, but they cant cover every inch of the football field, and thats where the Safeties need to be to help out.

CHANGSTER · 06-06-2007, 10:58 AM

Not worried. More disappointed that the defense is gonna have some missed potential. Imagine how good the secondary would be with safety that excels in coverage, that kinda thing.

Jens1893 · 06-06-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CHANGSTER

Not worried. More disappointed that the defense is gonna have some missed potential. Imagine how good the secondary would be with safety that excels in coverage, that kinda thing.

We will have that guy in 12 months.

Florida_Bronco · 06-06-2007, 11:20 AM

Not worried at all.

Rock Chalk · 06-06-2007, 11:21 AM

SpringStein · 06-06-2007, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens1893

We will have that guy in 12 months.

FROM? FA or draft? (At this time, S looks pretty weak for next year's draft class.)

BlaK-Argentina · 06-06-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dukes

I'm hoping Brandon, Abdullah or Cox can step in and beat out Fergy

Same here, I like Brandon or Cox a lot more than Fergy at SS.

Hotrod · 06-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Im not the least bit worried.

ludo21 · 06-06-2007, 11:39 AM

why is no one worried? Do you see something I dont? I see some young talent that hasnt proven themselves, and a couple vets that are coming off serious injuries, and another old guy.

Gcver2ver3 · 06-06-2007, 11:46 AM

I almost started a thread about this very same topic yesterday...

I for one am not concerned but I keep hearing Bronco fans complain about our safety situation.

Safety is not a strength for us, but the safety position is not impactful enough a position to expend big resource on to land two studs.

I say keep depth there, convert a back-up corner if needed. Some of you guys actually wanted us to spend our lone 1st round pick on safety....i just can't believe the logic there...pass rush was the much bigger priority....

Lynch & Fergy with youngsters backing them up should surfice....

i expect someone between Brandon, Abdullah, Cox, or maybe even Foxworth will step up.

We're fine at safety imo......

Traveler · 06-06-2007, 11:48 AM

My hope is that Cox steps up his game and beats out Ferguson. He's probably the best fit we have as a cover safety. If we see Foxworth out there, we're in trouble. Nique is not a safety!

Kaylore · 06-06-2007, 11:53 AM

Cargile, Abdullah, and Cox are more than sufficient. I think part of people's worry is fan's creation of this mystical "cover safety" position. There is no such thing. Rover safety, perhaps. And don't say "but Ed Reeeeeeeeeed!" Our safeties are fine and will continue to be. Having two corners like we do will be a huge advantage to any supposed coverage problems that never manifest but people keep whining about.

You want to complain or worry about coverage, look to our linebacking corps.

Florida_Bronco · 06-06-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

why is no one worried? Do you see something I dont? I see some young talent that hasnt proven themselves, and a couple vets that are coming off serious injuries, and another old guy.

I'm not worried because the staff knows how to use Lynch so he's not a liability. Ferguson's injury was no big deal and with today's medical technology a torn ACL isn't all that scary either. We still have Cox and other young guys who can step in.

Hotrod · 06-06-2007, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Cargile, Abdullah, and Cox are more than sufficient. I think part of people's worry is fan's creation of this mystical "cover safety" position. There is no such thing. Rover safety, perhaps. And don't say "but Ed Reeeeeeeeeed!" Our safeties are fine and will continue to be. Having two corners like we do will be a huge advantage to any supposed coverage problems that never manifest but people keep whining about.

You want to complain or worry about coverage, look to our linebacking corps.

that cracked me up

Tredici · 06-06-2007, 12:06 PM

I think people forget how well Ferguson was playing last season prior to his injury. As Champ put it, Fergy was often times more like a third cornerback out there. I hope he recovers from the injury and is back to provide some stability. With Bly, Bailey and Ferguson coverage should be pretty damn good. I think Cox is a smart player and will do everything he can to contribute wherever they utilize him.

BigPlayShay · 06-06-2007, 12:07 PM

I am a little less worried now that we have 700 pounds worht of DT.

Kaylore · 06-06-2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tredici

I think people forget how well Ferguson was playing last season prior to his injury. As Champ put it, Fergy was often times more like a third cornerback out there. I hope he recovers from the injury and is back to provide some stability. With Bly, Bailey and Ferguson coverage should be pretty damn good. I think Cox is a smart player and will do everything he can to contribute wherever they utilize him.

There's not a love for the Ferg here. I also think he is underrated. People still see that Hines Ward TD in the Steelers game in their heads. He's a solid safety.

Needa Pass Rush · 06-06-2007, 12:29 PM

38	Cargile, Steve	S	6' 2"	210	24	3rd	Columbia	FA-'06
31	Harris, Quentin	S	6' 1"	213	30	6th	Syracuse	FA-'06
43	Rogers, Roderick	S	6' 2"	187	22	R	Wisconsin	CFA- '07
25	Ferguson, Nick	S	5' 11"	201	32	8th	Georgia Tech	FA-03
42	Brandon, Sam	S	6' 2"	200	27	6th	UNLV	D4-'02
47	Lynch, John	S	6' 2"	220	35	15th	Stanford	FA-'04
40	Cox, Curome	S	6' 1"	204	26	3rd	Maryland	FA-04
21	Abdullah, Hamza	S	6' 2"	216	23	3rd	Washington State	FA-'05

Needa Pass Rush · 06-06-2007, 12:31 PM

Watch Steve Cargile. He could easily make the team with his special teams talent.

wolf754life · 06-06-2007, 12:32 PM

Its really funny how much better corners and safeties start looking with something we haven't had in Denver the last couple of years..............

A CONSISTENT PASS RUSH! if bill johnson the new d-line coach can get warren and thomas to push the pocket and get some heat off the edge from moss and dumervill, thus making the opposing qb throw it even a half second before he wants then our safeties will be protected.

If the pass rush fails, then the broncos safeties will be exposed....

chanesaw · 06-06-2007, 12:39 PM

I'm hoping we draft Tom Zibakowski from Notre Dame.

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06-06-2007, 10:48 AM	#1
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Anyone else a little worried about the Safety position? So we got: Lynch - an animal, but come on, he isnt getting younger, but I do think he has 1 more good year. Fergy - how will he come back from that injury? Brandon - same thing, but worse... I really hope he is back, he started to improve the past 2 years. Hamza - besides that fluff piece earlier, is he anything more than a ST'er? Cox - saw many good things from him last year, thats for sure. So I see, maybe 1 solid guy in there, Lynch, but he is aging. Can anyone convince me that this position wont hold our Defense back?

06-06-2007, 10:51 AM	#2
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,045 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Sure, it's a position of weakness, but two things make me less concerned about it: 1. Bates' system supposedly rewards safeties who can tackle and play in the box more as opposed to covering WRs down the field. Our guys do this very well. 2. Safety is either the least or second least (perhaps to TE) important position on the football field depending on who you talk to.

06-06-2007, 10:53 AM	#3
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	It´s my #1 need for the 08 Draft right now. We need to get younger, but I hope Fergy and Lynch can get the job done for one more year.

06-06-2007, 10:57 AM	#5
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Our corners are very good, but they cant cover every inch of the football field, and thats where the Safeties need to be to help out.

06-06-2007, 10:58 AM	#6
CHANGSTER You are a pizza burn... on the roof of the world's mouth Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SD Posts: 1,531	Not worried. More disappointed that the defense is gonna have some missed potential. Imagine how good the secondary would be with safety that excels in coverage, that kinda thing.

06-06-2007, 11:20 AM	#8
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	Not worried at all.

06-06-2007, 11:29 AM	#12
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	Im not the least bit worried.

06-06-2007, 11:39 AM	#13
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	why is no one worried? Do you see something I dont? I see some young talent that hasnt proven themselves, and a couple vets that are coming off serious injuries, and another old guy.

06-06-2007, 11:46 AM	#14
Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	I almost started a thread about this very same topic yesterday... I for one am not concerned but I keep hearing Bronco fans complain about our safety situation. Safety is not a strength for us, but the safety position is not impactful enough a position to expend big resource on to land two studs. I say keep depth there, convert a back-up corner if needed. Some of you guys actually wanted us to spend our lone 1st round pick on safety....i just can't believe the logic there...pass rush was the much bigger priority.... Lynch & Fergy with youngsters backing them up should surfice.... i expect someone between Brandon, Abdullah, Cox, or maybe even Foxworth will step up. We're fine at safety imo......

06-06-2007, 11:48 AM	#15
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	My hope is that Cox steps up his game and beats out Ferguson. He's probably the best fit we have as a cover safety. If we see Foxworth out there, we're in trouble. Nique is not a safety!

06-06-2007, 11:53 AM	#16
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,070 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Cargile, Abdullah, and Cox are more than sufficient. I think part of people's worry is fan's creation of this mystical "cover safety" position. There is no such thing. Rover safety, perhaps. And don't say "but Ed Reeeeeeeeeed!" Our safeties are fine and will continue to be. Having two corners like we do will be a huge advantage to any supposed coverage problems that never manifest but people keep whining about. You want to complain or worry about coverage, look to our linebacking corps.

06-06-2007, 12:06 PM	#19
Tredici Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10,010	I think people forget how well Ferguson was playing last season prior to his injury. As Champ put it, Fergy was often times more like a third cornerback out there. I hope he recovers from the injury and is back to provide some stability. With Bly, Bailey and Ferguson coverage should be pretty damn good. I think Cox is a smart player and will do everything he can to contribute wherever they utilize him.

06-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#20
BigPlayShay Ring of Famer Novaking Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,238 Adopt-a-Bronco: Got Cut	I am a little less worried now that we have 700 pounds worht of DT.

06-06-2007, 12:31 PM	#23
Needa Pass Rush Never say Always Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,211	Watch Steve Cargile. He could easily make the team with his special teams talent.

06-06-2007, 12:32 PM	#24
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	Its really funny how much better corners and safeties start looking with something we haven't had in Denver the last couple of years.............. A CONSISTENT PASS RUSH! if bill johnson the new d-line coach can get warren and thomas to push the pocket and get some heat off the edge from moss and dumervill, thus making the opposing qb throw it even a half second before he wants then our safeties will be protected. If the pass rush fails, then the broncos safeties will be exposed....

06-06-2007, 12:39 PM	#25
chanesaw Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,174 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis Dumervil	I'm hoping we draft Tom Zibakowski from Notre Dame.