Denver not pleased with RG situation? - The Orange Mane

SoCalBronco · 05-21-2007, 10:40 PM

Keep in mind that this article was originally published on May 5th, before the start of our OTAs and private mini camps (and thus the evaluation of Kuper, Holland, Myers etc. in these camps) and the quotes refer to conversations pre-draft (they also mention post draft conversations but not specifying teams), so I dont know whether we are still interested, but I still thought it was pretty interesting.

SF willing to part with right guard Smiley
Chicago, Denver, Baltimore and Seattle have called the 49ers about possible trades
By MATT MAIOCCO
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers are willing to trade right guard Justin Smiley for a second-round draft pick.

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Smiley knows because 49ers coach Mike Nolan told him in a recent conversation. The 49ers and Smiley are far apart on a contract extension, with Smiley's deal set to expire at the end of the upcoming season.

Nolan said Friday following the first practice of the team's three-day minicamp that he is not shopping Smiley or right tackle Kwame Harris, whose contract also is set to expire at the end of the season. But he also cautioned that everybody has a price.

"I have a lot of respect for both players," Nolan said. "I'm in no hurry to get rid of those guys. There have been some guys who we've had here where their days were numbered, but not those two guys."

Whereas the 49ers could have locked up Smiley to a long-term extension with about $8 million in guaranteed money several months ago, the figure it would take to sign Smiley now has nearly doubled. Free-agent guards Derrick Dockery, Kris Dielman and Eric Steinbach cashed in, with each receiving at least $17 million guaranteed.

"I'm not asking to big-time anybody or over-the-top them," Smiley said. "I just want what's fair. We'd make it worth their while and discount them to be here. Right now, we're far apart."

Chicago, Denver, Baltimore and Seattle called the 49ers about possible trades, Smiley said. The 49ers have even given his agent, Pat Dye Jr., permission to speak with teams about a possible trade.

"Before the draft, about four or five teams were courting me and Nolan said he wasn't going to give me away," Smiley said. "They were strong on asking for a second-round pick for me."

Even since the draft, the 49ers have fielded some calls about Smiley and Harris, team vice president of player personnel Scot McCloughan indicated this week.

"Every day, teams are trying to entice them," Smiley said. "It makes me feel good because I know last season I had a good season, and this year I'm taking it to another level. I'm very excited about it."

Smiley is not participating in the minicamp after undergoing surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder on Jan. 16. But he said his offseason is going well, as he has increased his weight to 313 while maintaining his trademark quickness and athleticism. Smiley played a year ago at 295, and said he lost 28 pounds in three weeks following the surgery.

"Hopefully, something gets done here because I want to be here," Smiley said. "I'm going to play like I'm part of this team."

In other 49ers news and notes:

The following players were held out of practices because of injuries: receiver Darrell Jackson (toe), cornerback Shawntae Spencer (foot), offensive linemen Smiley (shoulder), Jonas Jennings (shoulder) and Eric Heitmann (leg), and tight end Delanie Walker (shoulder).

Jackson passed a physical last week before the 49ers finalized the trade with Seattle for a fourth-round pick. The team expects him to be available for the opening of training camp in late July and hopes he'll be ready for organized team activities at the end of this month.

Receiver Ashley Lelie sustained a right quad strain early in practice while going for a deep pass thrown by quarterback Alex Smith. His availability for the remainder of the weekend practices is uncertain.

Defensive lineman Bryant Young, who is attending the funeral of former 49ers linebacker Kevin Mitchell, and guard Larry Allen were excused from the workouts.

The 49ers signed eight undrafted player quarterback Luke Getsy (Akron), defensive ends Zach Anderson (Louisville) and Darius Sanders (Oregon), tight end Zac Herold (Nebraska-Omaha), cornerback Sammy Joseph (LSU), punter Ken Parrish (East Stroudsburg), DE, receiver Dominique Zeigler (Baylor) and kicker MacKenzie Hoambrecker (Northern Iowa).

You can reach Staff Writer Matt Maiocco at 521-5492 or matt.maiocco@pressdemocrat.com.

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ZONA · 05-21-2007, 10:46 PM

I don't know about those linemen but I sure would like to get that Lelie guy on our team.............................................. .

Clockwork Orange · 05-21-2007, 10:56 PM

Why on earth would they be looking to re-sign Kwame Harris? He might be the worst starting tackle in the league.

Hercules Rockefeller · 05-21-2007, 10:59 PM

IIRC, there was a mention in the Post after Day 1 that said Denver made 0 attempts to trade for Smiley (and Moats and Jenkins too).

RhymesayersDU · 05-21-2007, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Why on earth would they be looking to re-sign Kwame Harris? He might be the worst starting tackle in the league.

Worse than George Foster?!

footstepsfrom#27 · 05-21-2007, 11:12 PM

Are you sure it's RIGHT guard? I hear props for little Ben Hamilton from the coaches but that was pre-Cutler with the scrambling man back there. He gets owned trying to sink in and battle straight up with big DT's against the pass rush. It would not bother me to see Holland take his job.

Paladin · 05-21-2007, 11:19 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but Hamilton plays LG, and Carlise was the RG. Now they have Holland and there is some thought that Kuper might play some there, as well. Actually, I think the Oline may be set but some of them are a bit short on experience....

OT: what does IIRC stand for?

kappys · 05-21-2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Worse than George Foster?!

Worse than Robery Gallery?

footstepsfrom#27 · 05-21-2007, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Correct me if I am wrong, but Hamilton plays LG...

My point exactly.

cabronco · 05-21-2007, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Are you sure it's RIGHT guard? I hear props for little Ben Hamilton from the coaches but that was pre-Cutler with the scrambling man back there. He gets owned trying to sink in and battle straight up with big DT's against the pass rush. It would not bother me to see Holland take his job.

Amen to that. Hamilton is just a little speed bump for bigger DT's. We need to upgrade that position with a bigger stronger guy.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 05-22-2007, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabronco

Amen to that. Hamilton is just a little speed bump for bigger DT's. We need to upgrade that position with a bigger stronger guy.

The coaches keep saying you and others who say the same are wrong.

footstepsfrom#27 · 05-22-2007, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

The coaches keep saying you and others who say the same are wrong.

They've been saying that when the ability to operate in space with a moving pocket was of prime importance due to Jake's tendency to scramble or roll out, as opposed to simply holding the ground with a traditional pocket.

How's that strategy looking now?

Needa Pass Rush · 05-22-2007, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

...........
OT: what does IIRC stand for?

IIRC = If I Recall/Remember Correctly

rovolution · 05-22-2007, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

They've been saying that when the ability to operate in space with a moving pocket was of prime importance due to Jake's tendency to scramble or roll out, as opposed to simply holding the ground with a traditional pocket.

How's that strategy looking now?

i can agree with your assessments of Hamilton. For example, I was just watching this torrent of Jay's first start against the Seahawks, and I just saw a DT knock Hamilton right on his back with ease (which then lead to Jay scrambling to save the play).

From watching Hamilton's performance in the 5 games Jay was the starter, I think Holland was brought in to replace Hamilton, not compete with Kuper for the other guard position.

(and dang, I never really noticed it till now, but Hamilton is EXTREMELY small (in terms of being an o-linemen in the NFL). I thought he was a TE for a second).

Kaylore · 05-22-2007, 12:56 AM

It's a good catch, SoCal. However it is a small blurb and not a very official one. I'm inclined to think that if they become concerned about right guard, or any position, we'll see some more moves as camp approaches and whatnot.

However seeing as they haven't even brought any in for the practice squad since Montrae Holland was signed, right now they only have three pure guards on the roster. Ben Hamilton, Holland and Kuper. That either means they are confident in what they have or more is on the way. I do know that if Shanahan feels we need help in an area he always goes out and brings guys in. We'll see.

Bob's your Information Minister · 05-22-2007, 01:08 AM

Nooooooo! This can't be true! Kaylore has prophesied the greatness of Chris Kuper! I had assurances! MY LIFE IS A LIE!

Killericon · 05-22-2007, 01:20 AM

Shanny's probably waiting to see what he can get after June 1st cuts.

footstepsfrom#27 · 05-22-2007, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rovolution

(and dang, I never really noticed it till now, but Hamilton is EXTREMELY small (in terms of being an o-linemen in the NFL). I thought he was a TE for a second).

He's itty bitty sized.

Atlas · 05-22-2007, 07:11 AM

Two years ago I said Hamilton was the worse OL and that he got overpowered too much in fact I predicted that he would be let go... Instead Shanny gave him a nice big long contract.

Traveler · 05-22-2007, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

Two years ago I said Hamilton was the worse OL and that he got overpowered too much in fact I predicted that he would be let go... Instead Shanny gave him a nice big long contract.

Still say Hamilton might be a surprise trade depending on our cap situation.

BroncoInferno · 05-22-2007, 09:00 AM

Hamilton is one of the better guards in the league, especially for our system. Thank god some of you aren't in the front office.

Polster60 · 05-22-2007, 09:23 AM

I agree, what Hamiliton lacks in size, he more than makes up for it with technique. Hamiliton is still a great fit for this team considering we still use a zone blocking scheme. On passing situations he may not be as good as running situations, but what we might see this season is a rotation at guard where Hamiliton comes out and a better pass blocker comes in.

Mediator12 · 05-22-2007, 09:41 AM

Everyone seems to think Hamilton is such a pansy on the OL, yet he keeps getting the highest grades of the OL every year? Someone explain that please. How can someone's performance be that poor and the coaches feel he performed the best year in and year out?

As for the Guard position, Denver is going to have turnover at Right guard as Carlisle is gone. Might as well get as much competition as they can.

Paladin · 05-22-2007, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

IIRC = If I Recall/Remember Correctly

Thanks.

bendog · 05-22-2007, 10:26 AM

Hamilton's larger than Nalen, and Nails has one year left.

05-21-2007, 10:40 PM	#1
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,299 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Denver not pleased with RG situation? Keep in mind that this article was originally published on May 5th, before the start of our OTAs and private mini camps (and thus the evaluation of Kuper, Holland, Myers etc. in these camps) and the quotes refer to conversations pre-draft (they also mention post draft conversations but not specifying teams), so I dont know whether we are still interested, but I still thought it was pretty interesting. SF willing to part with right guard Smiley Chicago, Denver, Baltimore and Seattle have called the 49ers about possible trades By MATT MAIOCCO THE PRESS DEMOCRAT SANTA CLARA -- The 49ers are willing to trade right guard Justin Smiley for a second-round draft pick. ADVERTISEMENT Smiley knows because 49ers coach Mike Nolan told him in a recent conversation. The 49ers and Smiley are far apart on a contract extension, with Smiley's deal set to expire at the end of the upcoming season. Nolan said Friday following the first practice of the team's three-day minicamp that he is not shopping Smiley or right tackle Kwame Harris, whose contract also is set to expire at the end of the season. But he also cautioned that everybody has a price. "I have a lot of respect for both players," Nolan said. "I'm in no hurry to get rid of those guys. There have been some guys who we've had here where their days were numbered, but not those two guys." Whereas the 49ers could have locked up Smiley to a long-term extension with about $8 million in guaranteed money several months ago, the figure it would take to sign Smiley now has nearly doubled. Free-agent guards Derrick Dockery, Kris Dielman and Eric Steinbach cashed in, with each receiving at least $17 million guaranteed. "I'm not asking to big-time anybody or over-the-top them," Smiley said. "I just want what's fair. We'd make it worth their while and discount them to be here. Right now, we're far apart." Chicago, Denver, Baltimore and Seattle called the 49ers about possible trades, Smiley said. The 49ers have even given his agent, Pat Dye Jr., permission to speak with teams about a possible trade. "Before the draft, about four or five teams were courting me and Nolan said he wasn't going to give me away," Smiley said. "They were strong on asking for a second-round pick for me." Even since the draft, the 49ers have fielded some calls about Smiley and Harris, team vice president of player personnel Scot McCloughan indicated this week. "Every day, teams are trying to entice them," Smiley said. "It makes me feel good because I know last season I had a good season, and this year I'm taking it to another level. I'm very excited about it." Smiley is not participating in the minicamp after undergoing surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder on Jan. 16. But he said his offseason is going well, as he has increased his weight to 313 while maintaining his trademark quickness and athleticism. Smiley played a year ago at 295, and said he lost 28 pounds in three weeks following the surgery. "Hopefully, something gets done here because I want to be here," Smiley said. "I'm going to play like I'm part of this team." In other 49ers news and notes: The following players were held out of practices because of injuries: receiver Darrell Jackson (toe), cornerback Shawntae Spencer (foot), offensive linemen Smiley (shoulder), Jonas Jennings (shoulder) and Eric Heitmann (leg), and tight end Delanie Walker (shoulder). Jackson passed a physical last week before the 49ers finalized the trade with Seattle for a fourth-round pick. The team expects him to be available for the opening of training camp in late July and hopes he'll be ready for organized team activities at the end of this month. Receiver Ashley Lelie sustained a right quad strain early in practice while going for a deep pass thrown by quarterback Alex Smith. His availability for the remainder of the weekend practices is uncertain. Defensive lineman Bryant Young, who is attending the funeral of former 49ers linebacker Kevin Mitchell, and guard Larry Allen were excused from the workouts. The 49ers signed eight undrafted player quarterback Luke Getsy (Akron), defensive ends Zach Anderson (Louisville) and Darius Sanders (Oregon), tight end Zac Herold (Nebraska-Omaha), cornerback Sammy Joseph (LSU), punter Ken Parrish (East Stroudsburg), DE, receiver Dominique Zeigler (Baylor) and kicker MacKenzie Hoambrecker (Northern Iowa). You can reach Staff Writer Matt Maiocco at 521-5492 or matt.maiocco@pressdemocrat.com. http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/p...1016/SPORT0501 __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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05-21-2007, 10:46 PM	#2
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,379 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	I don't know about those linemen but I sure would like to get that Lelie guy on our team.............................................. .

05-21-2007, 10:56 PM	#3
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Why on earth would they be looking to re-sign Kwame Harris? He might be the worst starting tackle in the league.

05-21-2007, 10:59 PM	#4
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	IIRC, there was a mention in the Post after Day 1 that said Denver made 0 attempts to trade for Smiley (and Moats and Jenkins too).

05-21-2007, 11:12 PM	#6
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Are you sure it's RIGHT guard? I hear props for little Ben Hamilton from the coaches but that was pre-Cutler with the scrambling man back there. He gets owned trying to sink in and battle straight up with big DT's against the pass rush. It would not bother me to see Holland take his job.

05-21-2007, 11:19 PM	#7
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	Correct me if I am wrong, but Hamilton plays LG, and Carlise was the RG. Now they have Holland and there is some thought that Kuper might play some there, as well. Actually, I think the Oline may be set but some of them are a bit short on experience.... OT: what does IIRC stand for?

05-22-2007, 12:56 AM	#15
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,050 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	It's a good catch, SoCal. However it is a small blurb and not a very official one. I'm inclined to think that if they become concerned about right guard, or any position, we'll see some more moves as camp approaches and whatnot. However seeing as they haven't even brought any in for the practice squad since Montrae Holland was signed, right now they only have three pure guards on the roster. Ben Hamilton, Holland and Kuper. That either means they are confident in what they have or more is on the way. I do know that if Shanahan feels we need help in an area he always goes out and brings guys in. We'll see.

05-22-2007, 01:08 AM	#16
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Nooooooo! This can't be true! Kaylore has prophesied the greatness of Chris Kuper! I had assurances! MY LIFE IS A LIE!

05-22-2007, 01:20 AM	#17
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	Shanny's probably waiting to see what he can get after June 1st cuts.

05-22-2007, 07:11 AM	#19
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Two years ago I said Hamilton was the worse OL and that he got overpowered too much in fact I predicted that he would be let go... Instead Shanny gave him a nice big long contract.

05-22-2007, 09:00 AM	#21
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 12,999	Hamilton is one of the better guards in the league, especially for our system. Thank god some of you aren't in the front office.

05-22-2007, 09:23 AM	#22
Polster60 Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 114	I agree, what Hamiliton lacks in size, he more than makes up for it with technique. Hamiliton is still a great fit for this team considering we still use a zone blocking scheme. On passing situations he may not be as good as running situations, but what we might see this season is a rotation at guard where Hamiliton comes out and a better pass blocker comes in.

05-22-2007, 09:41 AM	#23
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,701 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Everyone seems to think Hamilton is such a pansy on the OL, yet he keeps getting the highest grades of the OL every year? Someone explain that please. How can someone's performance be that poor and the coaches feel he performed the best year in and year out? As for the Guard position, Denver is going to have turnover at Right guard as Carlisle is gone. Might as well get as much competition as they can.

05-22-2007, 10:26 AM	#25
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Hamilton's larger than Nalen, and Nails has one year left.