Link to video - Kirk Cameron debates atheists - The Orange Mane

bdv · 05-10-2007, 07:51 PM

This is from Nightline and has created somewhat of a stir in popular culture. I won't comment on the debate at this time, except to say that the two atheists do not necessarily represent my views or my debating methods, just as the two Christians are unlikely to exactly represent the views or debating methods of each Christian.

If interested, just be sure to watch the whole thing, from the beginning (I accidentally started it in the middle...):

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940&page=1

The atheists' website (referenced at the beginning of debate):

http://www.rationalresponders.com/

Cameron's website (referenced at the beginning of debate)

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/

Mark 3:29... (referenced early in the debate by the atheists):

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:29&version=31

(NIV) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

A second Christian website (referenced during debate):

http://www.intelligentdesignversusevolution.com/

And another atheist URL (referenced later in the debate):

http://www.rationalresponders.com/evolutionproof

labronx · 05-10-2007, 08:00 PM

Kirk Cameron was GOD at one point.

scorpio · 05-10-2007, 08:15 PM

Mike Seaver was my father figure

Smiling Assassin27 · 05-10-2007, 08:25 PM

atheists throwing out Bible verses is like Michael Jordan playing baseball.

the fact that Kirk Freakin' Cameron is the best they could find to defend the Theist position should tell you what a farce this was. Still, the guy held his own.

ludo21 · 05-10-2007, 08:29 PM

cool stuff. Thanks, I totally wanted to watch this, but I forgot, thanks for the reminder and video

Swedish Extrovert · 05-10-2007, 09:58 PM

Rep... I was looking for that video. I wanted to watch it.

Lev Vyvanse · 05-10-2007, 10:12 PM

I didn't see any real debate from either side.

RhymesayersDU · 05-10-2007, 10:18 PM

What, he couldn't find his sidekick "Boner" to debate with him?

Swedish Extrovert · 05-10-2007, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTrueOne

I didn't see any real debate from either side.

Exactly. Neither side is either intellectually viable, nor are they well known for their scientific thought.

Rocket 7 · 05-10-2007, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightySmurf

Exactly. Neither side is either intellectually viable, nor are they well known for their scientific thought.

A bunch of monkyes we are.
http://www.filecabi.net/video/what_we_are.html

Rock Chalk · 05-10-2007, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

atheists throwing out Bible verses is like Michael Jordan playing baseball.

the fact that Kirk Freakin' Cameron is the best they could find to defend the Theist position should tell you what a farce this was. Still, the guy held his own.

I dont know if you are aware of this but Kirk Cameron long ago followed the path of Christianity. Devout Christian. I don't know if that makes him qualified or not, since I refuse to watch stupid debates about FAITH. You either believe or you dont. Debating faith is well, moronic. What I do know is that Cameron is a genuinely decent individual and being a devout believer I am sure he at least knows his stuff. Just because he was an actor in a populare 80s era sitcom doesn't disqualify him. People have a tendency to change in you know, 20 years.

Atheists are so positive that there is no God. Convicted they are about it. They need proof. Yet, ask any atheist thats married to prove that his/her spouse loves them, they cannot. Or prove that love even exists. They cannot. They just know.

People of faith, of any faith, just know. Its what makes atheists and religious people so much alike. They just believe that what they believe is truth. Neither has proof of their claims.

All I know is that those who live their life as if there is no heaven or hell, better hope they are right. Of course, they probably dont believe in hope either...

RkyMtnThunder · 05-10-2007, 10:36 PM

Did they just accidentally validate evolution?

Hey! It fits monkey's hands AND humans!

Naw, just a co-incidence there! Carry on!

BTW - nothing is a tribute to God's grace like a nice C sized rack! Thank you God - one hell of an artist!

Lev Vyvanse · 05-11-2007, 01:07 AM

Forgive me lord for I have sinned, the atheist woman had huge boobs and made me think dirty dirty thoughts.

Malcontent · 05-11-2007, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alec

I dont know if you are aware of this but Kirk Cameron long ago followed the path of Christianity. Devout Christian. I don't know if that makes him qualified or not, since I refuse to watch stupid debates about FAITH. You either believe or you dont. Debating faith is well, moronic. What I do know is that Cameron is a genuinely decent individual and being a devout believer I am sure he at least knows his stuff. Just because he was an actor in a populare 80s era sitcom doesn't disqualify him. People have a tendency to change in you know, 20 years.

Atheists are so positive that there is no God. Convicted they are about it. They need proof. Yet, ask any atheist thats married to prove that his/her spouse loves them, they cannot. Or prove that love even exists. They cannot. They just know.

People of faith, of any faith, just know. Its what makes atheists and religious people so much alike. They just believe that what they believe is truth. Neither has proof of their claims.

All I know is that those who live their life as if there is no heaven or hell, better hope they are right. Of course, they probably dont believe in hope either...

Al...is that you?? Couldn't have said it any better bro. Congrats on joining the married!!!

epicSocialism4tw · 05-11-2007, 01:44 AM

This debate isnt very good. The Christians are not intellectuals, and neither are the atheists. Unfortunately, the atheists show their butts more than the theists (quite arrogant, body language says that they are above the subject matter).

Neither arguments are worthy of your time. You would be better off visiting the debate we have going on in the WRAP section. It's actually better than this gunk.

freak6 · 05-11-2007, 01:46 AM

I already killed the christian god. Didn't the World get the memo?

6 out of 6 priests and pastors agree with me, the christian god is impossible.

Crushaholic · 05-11-2007, 04:48 AM

Did anybody read the "Left Behind" series about the Rapture and the second coming of Christ? They've made 3 movies so far based on that series. Kirk played Buck, one of the main characters in that book series. He is a devout Christian, as Alec pointed out. This isn't Mike Seaver discussing religion. It's an updated version of Kirk Cameron...

fontaine · 05-11-2007, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freak6

I already killed the christian god. Didn't the World get the memo?

6 out of 6 priests and pastors agree with me, the christian god is impossible.

Why is the Christian God impossible?

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-11-2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fontaine

Why is the Christian God impossible?

Because Alec champions her?

Smiling Assassin27 · 05-11-2007, 11:27 AM

Man, 2 out of Comfort's 3 proofs violate his claims by appealing to the Bible alone and faith. Talk about a circular argument. I take back my last statement that these guys held their own. If it weren't for such morons on the atheist side, they'd be toast. The atheists appealed to the ignorant argument of 'who created God', which makes their argument irrational and a strawman.

Peter Kreeft would've owned this debate. A couple of fundamentalist Christians vs. die hard atheists is NOT the way to meaningful debate.

Man-Goblin · 05-11-2007, 11:28 AM

The banana thing was outstanding.

Rohirrim · 05-11-2007, 11:34 AM

http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-...8897417&sr=8-1

clarkster · 05-11-2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTrueOne

Forgive me lord for I have sinned, the atheist woman had huge boobs and made me think dirty dirty thoughts.

maybe i better watch this video....

SoonerBronco · 05-11-2007, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freak6

I already killed the christian god. Didn't the World get the memo?

6 out of 6 priests and pastors agree with me, the christian god is impossible.

You have lost your mind...seriously...

BroncoInferno · 05-11-2007, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Man, 2 out of Comfort's 3 proofs violate his claims by appealing to the Bible alone and faith. Talk about a circular argument. I take back my last statement that these guys held their own. If it weren't for such morons on the atheist side, they'd be toast. The atheists appealed to the ignorant argument of 'who created God', which makes their argument irrational and a strawman.

Peter Kreeft would've owned this debate. A couple of fundamentalist Christians vs. die hard atheists is NOT the way to meaningful debate.

How is the 'who created God' argument in any way irrational? What's irrational are attempts to plug the Judeo-Christian god into gaps of knowledge with zero evidence. Keep in mind that Comfort and Cameron claimed they were going to prove god exists scientifically, so in the context of the debate, 'who created god' was a perfectly reasonable question. Saying, "well, god lives outside of nature" is useless scientifically speaking.

I agree with the rest of your post, though. While certainly interesting, neither side brought intellectual heavyweights to the debate. Get Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris to take on William Dembski and Michael Behe...now, that would be a substantial debate.

05-10-2007, 07:51 PM	#1
bdv Solid Starter Atheist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 215 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Link to video - Kirk Cameron debates atheists This is from Nightline and has created somewhat of a stir in popular culture. I won't comment on the debate at this time, except to say that the two atheists do not necessarily represent my views or my debating methods, just as the two Christians are unlikely to exactly represent the views or debating methods of each Christian. If interested, just be sure to watch the whole thing, from the beginning (I accidentally started it in the middle...): http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3148940&page=1 The atheists' website (referenced at the beginning of debate): http://www.rationalresponders.com/ Cameron's website (referenced at the beginning of debate) http://www.wayofthemaster.com/ Mark 3:29... (referenced early in the debate by the atheists): http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:29&version=31 (NIV) But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin." A second Christian website (referenced during debate): http://www.intelligentdesignversusevolution.com/ And another atheist URL (referenced later in the debate): http://www.rationalresponders.com/evolutionproof

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05-10-2007, 08:00 PM	#2
labronx Fluid Hips Astronomy, Math, Medicine & Music Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The San Fernando Valley (5th largest city in the country!) Posts: 1,958	Kirk Cameron was GOD at one point.

05-10-2007, 08:15 PM	#3
scorpio Cubicle Pimp Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,500	Mike Seaver was my father figure

05-10-2007, 08:25 PM	#4
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 11,104 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	atheists throwing out Bible verses is like Michael Jordan playing baseball. the fact that Kirk Freakin' Cameron is the best they could find to defend the Theist position should tell you what a farce this was. Still, the guy held his own.

05-10-2007, 08:29 PM	#5
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,977 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	cool stuff. Thanks, I totally wanted to watch this, but I forgot, thanks for the reminder and video

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Swedish Extrovert President of the Universe Formerly known as mightysmurf Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Highlands Ranch Posts: 15,119 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dreesen	Rep... I was looking for that video. I wanted to watch it.

05-10-2007, 10:12 PM	#7
Lev Vyvanse Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 3,040	I didn't see any real debate from either side.

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RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	What, he couldn't find his sidekick "Boner" to debate with him?

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RkyMtnThunder Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 899 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Did they just accidentally validate evolution? Hey! It fits monkey's hands AND humans! Naw, just a co-incidence there! Carry on! BTW - nothing is a tribute to God's grace like a nice C sized rack! Thank you God - one hell of an artist!

05-11-2007, 01:07 AM	#13
Lev Vyvanse Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 3,040	Forgive me lord for I have sinned, the atheist woman had huge boobs and made me think dirty dirty thoughts.

05-11-2007, 01:44 AM	#15
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	This debate isnt very good. The Christians are not intellectuals, and neither are the atheists. Unfortunately, the atheists show their butts more than the theists (quite arrogant, body language says that they are above the subject matter). Neither arguments are worthy of your time. You would be better off visiting the debate we have going on in the WRAP section. It's actually better than this gunk.

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freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	I already killed the christian god. Didn't the World get the memo? 6 out of 6 priests and pastors agree with me, the christian god is impossible.

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Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,078	Did anybody read the "Left Behind" series about the Rapture and the second coming of Christ? They've made 3 movies so far based on that series. Kirk played Buck, one of the main characters in that book series. He is a devout Christian, as Alec pointed out. This isn't Mike Seaver discussing religion. It's an updated version of Kirk Cameron...

05-11-2007, 11:27 AM	#20
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 11,104 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Man, 2 out of Comfort's 3 proofs violate his claims by appealing to the Bible alone and faith. Talk about a circular argument. I take back my last statement that these guys held their own. If it weren't for such morons on the atheist side, they'd be toast. The atheists appealed to the ignorant argument of 'who created God', which makes their argument irrational and a strawman. Peter Kreeft would've owned this debate. A couple of fundamentalist Christians vs. die hard atheists is NOT the way to meaningful debate.

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Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	The banana thing was outstanding.

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,107	http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-...8897417&sr=8-1