Chiefs vs Raiders 2008 - The AFC West no longer best - The Orange Mane

freak6 · 05-08-2007, 01:18 AM

Which team will be worse?

I'm leaning towards the Raiders, but that defense was pretty stout last season, and being on the field 40 minutes a game was brutal. Can the offense be any worse that last year?

The Chiefs are rebuilding, and I think they are in for a huge slide.

So which team will win more games, and how many?

Bob's your Information Minister · 05-08-2007, 01:20 AM

This thread is a little undeserved. The Chiefs are easily a better football team than they were last year.

Ugly Duck · 05-08-2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Raiders, but that defense was pretty stout last season, and being on the field 40 minutes a game was brutal. Can the offense be any worse that last year?

The Chiefs are rebuilding, and I think they are in for a huge slide.

Raiders offense is rebuilding this year. Trying a Bronco-style blocking scheme, new QB, new OC, new O-line coach, 4 o-linemen from other teams..... should gel by 2008 when Jamarcus & Michael Bush take over.

atomicbloke · 05-08-2007, 01:52 AM

Where is the option for Chiefs 1, Raiders 1 (They'll win at home against each other)

Odysseus · 05-08-2007, 02:05 AM

I think Raiders and Chiefs are both 8-8 teams.

The Raiders are going to sneak up on some teams end of the season after the team figures out what works for them. The Raiders under Lane Kiffen are going to get their confidence back.

The Chiefs are going to lose some games they USED TO win after teams figure out how much they really suck. Herm Edwards sheep are going to get restless and despite sporting a better defense and fighting hard each game they are going to struggle to be 8-8.

I put down 4-4. It's a Broncos board. I'm biased.

broncocalijohn · 05-08-2007, 04:19 AM

WHy have a poll for 2008? They can screw up on soooo many ways by then.

chrisp · 05-08-2007, 05:14 AM

I agree that the Raiders are now on the way back. Thankfully it won't last, becuase if Lane Kiffin proves himself to be a decent head coach he WILL fall out with Al Davis (GUA-RAN-TEED!) and they will fall apart again, however with a decent defense they should be a lot more substantial than people think.

The only question mark about that is how quickly Russell beds in, assuming that they do start him day one (and they don't seem to have many options there..). If they do the smart thing and get a decent vet to play while he warms he pine for a year then they should be quite solid, but if he's starting from game one you would expect him to struggle for a while howver good he eventually turns out to be.

The Chiefs on the other hand are just an enigma to me at the moment. I have a feel that improvements in the defense might be just enough to offset decline in the offense (particularly the line) so that they stay where they are, butwho knows...

Obviously I'm hoping that both teams suck but real life is rarely that nice...

watermock · 05-08-2007, 05:36 AM

Who is Russell going to throw to, one reception in 06 Porter?

Chefs 7, Faiders 3.

freak6 · 05-08-2007, 11:33 AM

I put down the wrong year in my title, but I meant this forthcoming season of course.

Our division is a two team race.

Bob's your Information Minister · 05-08-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Our division is a two team race.

Look, I know the Broncos are going through a rough transition with the defense, and who knows how Cutler will perform, but don't sell your team short. Buck up little soldier! 10-6 isn't out of reach!

Hotrod · 05-08-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Look, I know the Broncos are going through a rough transition with the defense, and who knows how Cutler will perform, but don't sell your team short. Buck up little soldier! 10-6 isn't out of reach!

I joke alot on here but Im serious when I say that the faid very well might finish with a better record then the chefs.

Willynowei · 05-08-2007, 11:55 AM

I hate the chiefs but its crazy to say the Chiefs and Raiders are both pushovers. Chiefs hand us a loss every year since I can't even remember. They also hand the Bolts a loss every year as well. I can't see how they are a bottom feeder like the Raiders whos two free wins for everyone in the division.

THis is not a weak division, it will have two of the top 10 AFC offenses next year and three of the top 10 defenses. Yes, Raiders have a top 10 defense.

Imagine if we switched places with Indy

Hotrod · 05-08-2007, 11:57 AM

crap I quoted Bobo

sorry to those who have asked me to stop doing that

Steve Sewell · 05-08-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

This thread is a little undeserved. The Chiefs are easily a better football team than they were last year.

ur retarted

Steve Sewell · 05-08-2007, 11:58 AM

In all seriousness, I think the Chiefs will win 7 or 8 games next year, so there are no options for me to pick. The Raiders are going to be downright horrible, picking in the top 5 next April

Steve Sewell · 05-08-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Willynowei

Imagine if we switched places with Indy

We'd skate to a division title every year like they do. Usually their season is over by Week 12 or 13.

freak6 · 05-08-2007, 12:02 PM

The Chiefs O-line is in disarray. The D-line is too. Next year the running game will be worse, and more pressure on Huard, with again, a weak Oliine in front of him.

ZONA · 05-08-2007, 12:07 PM

The BRONCOS and winning are the only things consistant about this division. SD is hot now but usually they do that for a few seaonss then the fade away for 15 years or so. Same with the Raiders. They have sucked for so long, theyn they had Gannon for a few good years and now they are back in the hole of lame ducks. The Chiefs, at least I will give them some credit. They have been more consistant then the other two but have always been consistant and being better then average but not good enough to be a true threat to the title.

Broncos are the only ones who have the coaching and managemnet in place to win it all. Personally, I think SD takes a step backwards this year with Norv at the front. Just you watch. I say they get 9 or 10 wins on the season. Not bad, and maybe good enough to get into the playoffs but they are not gonna get all those double digit comebacks again this year.

Spider · 05-08-2007, 12:12 PM

Kinda like asking who would win in a fight , Donnie Osmand or Stevie Wonder ..........

bronco militia · 05-08-2007, 12:14 PM

what happened to 2007?!?!?

Hotrod · 05-08-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

what happened to 2007?!?!?

Well according to chef fans they already won the SB so were picking up the pieces and moving forward as best we can.

Paladin · 05-08-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Well according to chef fans they already won the SB so were picking up the pieces and moving forward as best we can.

bronco militia · 05-08-2007, 12:53 PM

ha ha.....what was I thinking

Taco John · 05-08-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

This thread is a little undeserved. The Chiefs are easily a better football team than they were last year.

"Mike Solari is our offensive coordinator, so we won't miss a beat."

400HZ · 05-08-2007, 01:59 PM

The Raiders have more questions with Russell and Kiffin being in their first years, but they definetely have more upside than the Chefs. I wouldn't be surprised if the fade were 1-15. I also wouldn't be surprised if they were 8-8. KC will probably start off decent then hit a wall when LJ's knees stop working around week 10 or so. Then they have Croyle (lol) behind a sorry O line trying to lead an offense. KC's D might have improved, but it's definetely not good enough to carry the team. I'd say the best they can hope for is to edge out Denver for a wild card again.

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05-08-2007, 01:18 AM	#1
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	Chiefs vs Raiders 2008 - The AFC West no longer best Which team will be worse? I'm leaning towards the Raiders, but that defense was pretty stout last season, and being on the field 40 minutes a game was brutal. Can the offense be any worse that last year? The Chiefs are rebuilding, and I think they are in for a huge slide. So which team will win more games, and how many?

05-08-2007, 11:55 AM	#12
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,800 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	I hate the chiefs but its crazy to say the Chiefs and Raiders are both pushovers. Chiefs hand us a loss every year since I can't even remember. They also hand the Bolts a loss every year as well. I can't see how they are a bottom feeder like the Raiders whos two free wins for everyone in the division. THis is not a weak division, it will have two of the top 10 AFC offenses next year and three of the top 10 defenses. Yes, Raiders have a top 10 defense. Imagine if we switched places with Indy Last edited by Willynowei; 05-08-2007 at 11:58 AM..

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05-08-2007, 01:20 AM	#2
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	This thread is a little undeserved. The Chiefs are easily a better football team than they were last year.

05-08-2007, 01:52 AM	#4
atomicbloke Ring of Famer La 12 Boca Juniors Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: Offensive Line	Where is the option for Chiefs 1, Raiders 1 (They'll win at home against each other)

05-08-2007, 02:05 AM	#5
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	I think Raiders and Chiefs are both 8-8 teams. The Raiders are going to sneak up on some teams end of the season after the team figures out what works for them. The Raiders under Lane Kiffen are going to get their confidence back. The Chiefs are going to lose some games they USED TO win after teams figure out how much they really suck. Herm Edwards sheep are going to get restless and despite sporting a better defense and fighting hard each game they are going to struggle to be 8-8. I put down 4-4. It's a Broncos board. I'm biased.

05-08-2007, 04:19 AM	#6
broncocalijohn Famer of Rings My Dog Richard Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lake Forest, Orange County, Calif. Posts: 18,475 Adopt-a-Bronco: Simon Fletcher	WHy have a poll for 2008? They can screw up on soooo many ways by then.

05-08-2007, 05:14 AM	#7
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	I agree that the Raiders are now on the way back. Thankfully it won't last, becuase if Lane Kiffin proves himself to be a decent head coach he WILL fall out with Al Davis (GUA-RAN-TEED!) and they will fall apart again, however with a decent defense they should be a lot more substantial than people think. The only question mark about that is how quickly Russell beds in, assuming that they do start him day one (and they don't seem to have many options there..). If they do the smart thing and get a decent vet to play while he warms he pine for a year then they should be quite solid, but if he's starting from game one you would expect him to struggle for a while howver good he eventually turns out to be. The Chiefs on the other hand are just an enigma to me at the moment. I have a feel that improvements in the defense might be just enough to offset decline in the offense (particularly the line) so that they stay where they are, butwho knows... Obviously I'm hoping that both teams suck but real life is rarely that nice...

05-08-2007, 05:36 AM	#8
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Who is Russell going to throw to, one reception in 06 Porter? Chefs 7, Faiders 3.

05-08-2007, 11:33 AM	#9
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	I put down the wrong year in my title, but I meant this forthcoming season of course. Our division is a two team race.

05-08-2007, 11:57 AM	#13
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	crap I quoted Bobo sorry to those who have asked me to stop doing that

05-08-2007, 11:58 AM	#15
Steve Sewell Oh Tyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Patrick and Ty's pimp Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,666 Adopt-a-Bronco: Reggie Rivers	In all seriousness, I think the Chiefs will win 7 or 8 games next year, so there are no options for me to pick. The Raiders are going to be downright horrible, picking in the top 5 next April

05-08-2007, 12:02 PM	#17
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	The Chiefs O-line is in disarray. The D-line is too. Next year the running game will be worse, and more pressure on Huard, with again, a weak Oliine in front of him.

05-08-2007, 12:07 PM	#18
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,394 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	The BRONCOS and winning are the only things consistant about this division. SD is hot now but usually they do that for a few seaonss then the fade away for 15 years or so. Same with the Raiders. They have sucked for so long, theyn they had Gannon for a few good years and now they are back in the hole of lame ducks. The Chiefs, at least I will give them some credit. They have been more consistant then the other two but have always been consistant and being better then average but not good enough to be a true threat to the title. Broncos are the only ones who have the coaching and managemnet in place to win it all. Personally, I think SD takes a step backwards this year with Norv at the front. Just you watch. I say they get 9 or 10 wins on the season. Not bad, and maybe good enough to get into the playoffs but they are not gonna get all those double digit comebacks again this year.

05-08-2007, 12:12 PM	#19
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Kinda like asking who would win in a fight , Donnie Osmand or Stevie Wonder ..........

05-08-2007, 12:14 PM	#20
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	what happened to 2007?!?!?

05-08-2007, 12:53 PM	#23
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,591	ha ha.....what was I thinking

05-08-2007, 01:59 PM	#25
400HZ Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,345 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed Hochuli	The Raiders have more questions with Russell and Kiffin being in their first years, but they definetely have more upside than the Chefs. I wouldn't be surprised if the fade were 1-15. I also wouldn't be surprised if they were 8-8. KC will probably start off decent then hit a wall when LJ's knees stop working around week 10 or so. Then they have Croyle (lol) behind a sorry O line trying to lead an offense. KC's D might have improved, but it's definetely not good enough to carry the team. I'd say the best they can hope for is to edge out Denver for a wild card again.