How will the next attack come?

[Bob]

I know that I am an extremist in this area; I dont think that I care if that I am percieved that way or not. People falsely believe we are hated because of our foreign policy, the truth is we are hated by some because we are a Christian country, and we are a hedonistic country.

I love America, I love what it represents. When there are folks that are willing to die for thier cause, and we are not willing to kill to defend ourselves, then we have already lost the war -- we just dont know it yet.

I am very concerned about the fact that there are many around the world that feel that killing innocent folks is ok in order to perpetuate political or religious goals. When asked recently in a poll conducted in prominently Islamic countries regarding the use of terrorist tactics -- if these tactics were appropriate 75% said no. The press lauded that as a good thing, I thought – what about the 25% that think that beheading, and using bombs in public squares was acceptable? There are 2 Billion Muslims – if 25% had this few, or let’s be conservative, if 10% have this mentality, there are 200 million that are in this Islamic extremist category.


So my question is what is likely coming next? I think that terrorist activities have not happened in many small scale activities, like many small car bombs in America, (there was the shooting in the Salt Lake City mall & the guy who drove into a crowd of folks at a college) but these small acts would not affect the fall of America in apocalyptic type fashion. The only thing that has saved us may be that these folks are thinking very large scale attacks.

Blast away, kill the ideas if you can.

[Spider]

I dont know for sure , but we will survive this , we wont crumble ........we are a divided country , we always have been , but push comes to shove , we are the big dog on the block and we bite , proof of my words is , Bush went into Afghanistan he had a 80%+ approval rating , when we believe in something , we dont come up short ..........

[Bob]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I dont know for sure , but we will survive this , we wont crumble ........we are a divided country , we always have been , but push comes to shove , we are the big dog on the block and we bite , proof of my words is , Bush went into Afghanistan he had a 80%+ approval rating , when we believe in something , we dont come up short ..........

True, I want to belive that, but if those that share the information (the media) in thier heart think that America and its traditional values are evil, and thet we somehow brought 911 upon ouselves, I wonder if it would be a matter of time.

Society is fragile; one dirty bomb on Wall Street could cause unspeakable hardship and economic pain.

[Rohirrim]

They do not have the capacity to bring down America. Period.

Only we have that capacity, depending on our response. Selling out our Bill of Rights for the illusion of security is the first step.

So, yes, they could win, but only if we allow their terror tactics to succeed by surrendering to our fears.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bob

True, I want to belive that, but if those that share the information (the media) in thier heart think that America and its traditional values are evil, and thet we somehow brought 911 upon ouselves, I wonder if it would be a matter of time.

Society is fragile; one dirty bomb on Wall Street could cause unspeakable hardship and economic pain.

Falwel and his clan , pushed that America is to blame crap along with fred phelps ..... with our homosexual ways , our secular attitudes ...........We didnt deserve 9-11 , traditional value people or the progressive value people didnt deserve the cowradly attack on 9-11 , but we got it , and as soon as we pulled our selfs up by our bootstraps , we was ready to dance , and pity the country we went after , we went into afghanistan all of us was celebrating , we wanted , and still want Bin Laden paraded down the streets in front of the WTC , with Bush kicking him in the ass every step of the way .......
But Bush failed us , thus we are divided again , but dont let the division fool you , we will unite when attacked ..........
No country or group will bring us down , despite what part of the Value crowd you are with you are still an American at heart .........

[BABronco]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Falwel and his clan , pushed that America is to blame crap along with fred phelps ..... with our homosexual ways , our secular attitudes ...........We didnt deserve 9-11 , traditional value people or the progressive value people didnt deserve the cowradly attack on 9-11 , but we got it , and as soon as we pulled our selfs up by our bootstraps , we was ready to dance , and pity the country we went after , we went into afghanistan all of us was celebrating , we wanted , and still want Bin Laden paraded down the streets in front of the WTC , with Bush kicking him in the ass every step of the way .......
But Bush failed us , thus we are divided again , but dont let the division fool you , we will unite when attacked ..........
No country or group will bring us down , despite what part of the Value crowd you are with you are still an American at heart .........

Sad it takes war or a tragedy to do that.

[BABronco]

... well apparently I take that back. Some wars don't work that way.

[Meck77]

I've always thought Vegas would make an easy target and could really shake the American spirit of our country again.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by BABronco

Sad it takes war or a tragedy to do that.

Thats how it should be , we never should be in lock step with each other , or our government , we should take advantage of the great freedoms we have ......just when a crisis happens , we can put aside our differences , tackle the problem in front of us ........ I wouldnt have it any other way ......

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I've always thought Vegas would make an easy target and could really shake the American spirit of our country again.

My Target ........ wall street new york ........

[BABronco]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Thats how it should be , we never should be in lock step with each other , or our government , we should take advantage of the great freedoms we have ......just when a crisis happens , we can put aside our differences , tackle the problem in front of us ........ I wouldnt have it any other way ......

I agree with you to a point. We should take full use of our freedoms, I just hate how fighting with each other a good portion of the time is what we tend to do with our freedoms.I was mainly going back to 9/11, right after people treated people like they were actual people, like somebody actually gave a damn. Five years later, we are here.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

My Target ........ wall street new york ........

Yeah seems like a prime target but somehow my gut tells me the next one is going to be off the beaten path and more of an emotional strike than a financial one.

Actually the more I think about it imagine an attack in small town in Kansas or something crazy like that. That would really shake our country to it's core as most Americans probably believe only cities like LA nor NY are at risk.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by BABronco

I agree with you to a point. We should take full use of our freedoms, I just hate how fighting with each other a good portion of the time is what we tend to do with our freedoms.I was mainly going back to 9/11, right after people treated people like they were actual people, like somebody actually gave a damn. Five years later, we are here.

This is how things work , we are a good people , dont think twice about coming ot someones aid when they are in trouble , but on the other hand , we stand behind our ideas .......if we stop doing that , then we might as well be communist ...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Yeah seems like a prime target but somehow my gut tells me the next one is going to be off the beaten path and more of an emotional strike than a financial one.

Actually the more I think about it imagine an attack in small town in Kansas or something crazy like that. That would really shake our country to it's core as most Americans probably believe only cities like LA nor NY are at risk.

could be , then Philly would be a prime target .......... just about anything on the east coast , where our country was born , alot of history out east ...................Attacking Gettysburg , or Statue of Liberty , I have seen the Lady of Liberty , she is a sight to behold

[Spider]

let me put it like this BA , you probably have a different view of how you want America to be then me , I am more of a **** the fat cats , power to the common working man , I dont think America should be a corporate rules , that our government should be for the people by the people ........where as People on the right say without corporate America we starve cause of no work ........
so our struggle will continue on ..........

[Bob]

One of the challenges that we do face today -- that people in the past did not have to contend with, is that we could have a "24" situation -- five folks with small bombs could change America in a second. It doesnt take a whole country, it doesnt take 100 million wack jobs. I heard once, someone lament, that Americans love Pepsi, they[radical] Muslims love death -- as they see it as a vehicle for assuring exaltation. Those we have fought in the past wanted self-preservation ie Hitler. It seems that there are many who see attacking the USA as a means to bring about the coming of the Islamic Savior (or Madhi) Many are already living in deplorable conditions, simular to the 12th century why not knock the West back a few centuries.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

They do not have the capacity to bring down America. Period.

Only we have that capacity, depending on our response. Selling out our Bill of Rights for the illusion of security is the first step.

So, yes, they could win, but only if we allow their terror tactics to succeed by surrendering to our fears.

Agreed.

Bush destroying our rights for a sense of security is complete BS.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Maybe not the next one but there will be a nuclear detonation in a major U.S. city someday.

[clarkster]

you guys are thinking along the right lines, however, those are all "hard targets" there are a few things to know about terrorists, or as i refer to them, a-holes.
-they are already committed to dying, its the mission accomplishment they are after. the goal is to kill them, and interrupt their mission
-theyre infinitely patient. they know the US will eventually slack up at the airport, sproting events, etc. then theyll hit
-typically theyll "rehearse" before they strike. think about where theres been a bomb threat that was nothing, or suspicious packages left somewhere.
-they dont care about tactical victories. they want bang for the buck. news coverage. whats going to create the most pandemonium?
-theyre extremely coordinated. its not unheard of to have a primary and secondary attacks, perhaps even more simultaneous.
-to them, theres no innocents. women, children, all easy targets. and thats what they want. easy targets that cannot be defended regularly.
i was once told that id make a good one, and asked why? I said because if you want to fight the enemy, you have to know what theyre willing to do

so, with that said, heres what i think will happen eventually.i hope im wrong. if i were a terrorist, knowing what i know, heres what id watch for-
-sporting events are a high profile target, but easy to defend. theres always ample police at major events. somewhat of a hard target. proabably easy to circumvent, but odds arent as good
-public places. its nothing at all to see a backpack, grocery bag, box sitting on a sidewalk or worse, subway/bus station. this is a bonus because the a-hole doesnt have to be present/die. simple items can make it happen with nobody to do it. very easy target, especially major cities. however, not as high profile. short of hitting the subway during rush hour, not a good chance of a high body count
-schools, especially elementary schools. i go to my daughters school all the time and i get ill thinking about it. think about it next time youre at your kids school. the hardest to defend, very little if ANY security(especially "better" schools where theres no fear of weapons etc), and you want high profile? and a bonus. very predictable. every day at specific times, every child is in one place. and in most cities, its consistent throughout other schools, making simultaneous hits even more appealing. this is my biggest fear.
-and another, i could go on, but these are just my overall, christmas shopping, malls. even worse, we advertise the busiest shopping day every year(black friday). easy to hit(how much security is at the mall?), high profile, extremely easy to coordinate several hits throughout the COUNTRY, and a bonus- its Christmas, its what the western world stands for(commerce), the ripple effect would be tremendous. our economy would shut down at a time where alot of business' depend on consumers.

like i said, i could go on and on and on. but i wont as the CIA is probably already looking for me for posting this. think about your local areas too. subways, in hampton roads, we have the bridge tunnel, which is jampacked every day, twice a day. and nobody checks anything there.
schools for me would be the easiest target, and i think its a matter of time before one gets hit. its already advertised, broadcast throughout the world how vulnerable they are(VT,columbine,etc)

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Maybe not the next one but there will be a nuclear detonation in a major U.S. city someday.

Unfortunately I agree, although I think it will be a dirty bomb.

[Rohirrim]

I really hate it when people pump up these ignorant goat herders into some kind of ninja supermen. The majority of them are absolute morons. They have a few leaders with smarts, but the guys they send out to do their dirty work for them are idiots. If somebody makes a bomb for you and puts in a backpack, what does it take to leave it on the subway? I'll bet there's been times these morons didn't even know they were suicide bombers. I'll bet their handlers told some of them, "Just push this button and that sets the timer. Then, get out of there." What happens? Abdul the Idiot pushes the button and Kaboom! Look at Timothy McVeigh. That guy was an absolute moron. He knew enough to get on the internet and get the instructions for building a bomb. Look at that idiot, Yussef, the so called mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing. Do you know why he's sitting four stories underground in Florence Supermax? Because, after setting off the bomb, he went back to Ryder to get his truck deposit back! The Ryder guy is on the phone with the FBI (because they've already tracked down the serial number from the axle) saying, "Yeah, they're standing right here." The FBI agent is saying, "Just stall them. Keep them there."

Friggin rocket scientists.

[clarkster]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I really hate it when people pump up these ignorant goat herders into some kind of ninja supermen. The majority of them are absolute morons. They have a few leaders with smarts, but the guys they send out to do their dirty work for them are idiots. If somebody makes a bomb for you and puts in a backpack, what does it take to leave it on the subway? I'll bet there's been times these morons didn't even know they were suicide bombers. I'll bet their handlers told some of them, "Just push this button and that sets the timer. Then, get out of there." What happens? Abdul the Idiot pushes the button and Kaboom! Look at Timothy McVeigh. That guy was an absolute moron. He knew enough to get on the internet and get the instructions for building a bomb. Look at that idiot, Yussef, the so called mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing. Do you know why he's sitting four stories underground in Florence Supermax? Because, after setting off the bomb, he went back to Ryder to get his truck deposit back! The Ryder guy is on the phone with the FBI (because they've already tracked down the serial number from the axle) saying, "Yeah, they're standing right here." The FBI agent is saying, "Just stall them. Keep them there."

Friggin rocket scientists.

couple of things to add-
alot of times the attacker doesnt know anything until after the fact or until he called into motion. thats what makes it hard to catch them/id them/etc.

for the most part they are idiots, under/uneducated, that makes them easy to manipulate.

dont underestimate how crafty or resourceful the enemy is. the rule of thumb is, you dont have to be the fastest, just faster than the next guy, and honestly, it isnt too hard to get one over on the Joe American.

[Stormontheplains]

The next attack will come via the NAFTA super highway on a mexican truck with jesus and osoma loaded up with a mini nuke or your easy to get ag chemicals. Laugh all you want at this but it would be karma for us.

I support the war on terrorism, and the war on cheap,illegal,unsafe truck drivers who are more dangerous than a psycho with every gun america wants to outlaw.

[alkemical]

How can we be at war, and leave the boarders so open? We have a president who was Gov. of a boarder state and he still doesn't show any apt decisions to make us more secure.

[clarkster]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

How can we be at war, and leave the boarders so open? We have a president who was Gov. of a boarder state and he still doesn't show any apt decisions to make us more secure.

not trying to stick up for him, because its likely not the best answer, but i think he has via needing a passport to enter/exit canada/mexico and the also hated idea of the federal ID cards.
other than that, not a lot we can do, short of build a giant wall, with a spiked trench and line it with land mines. pretty sure that someone will have a problem with that.