Tiny terrier saved kids from pit bulls

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Originally Posted by watermock

Gilligans Island..A coconut falls on Gilligan and he has a brilliant idea how to get off the island.

But didn't something happen that ruined everything?

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Originally Posted by orange 4 life

actually, it makes no sense at all, though popps is generally right on the money.
i DO understand public perception. unfortunately, public perception is wrong.
public perception does NOT recognize that the reason for the stories is that "theyve become the tough guy breed of choice."

since basically everyone agrees on that (when its pointed out anyway), then kindly tell me what would happen if every city had a pitbull ban. if there were theoretically no more pits in the world, then what?

then these a-holes would just go get a different breed (and one more dangerous by nature, as most everyone in the know also agrees that pits are by nature NOT violent towards humans) and then THAT breed would be the new enemy.
only difference is that the problem would likely be worse as the next "tough guy" breed would likely be worse.

popps, what do you think your neighbor (no doubt a bad owner) would do if your town had a ban?
be content to have no dog at all?
doubt it. he'd just go get a different tough guy breed and you'd have the same (or worse) problem. im floored that you would support any kind of breed specific ban.
make the punishment VERY severe to those that abuse and neglect and you go to the root of the problem.

Finally someone who gets it.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Did you lose your place? You said they don't make good guard dogs. I'm pointing out that they aren't quite as bad as you try and make them out to be.

slug, a damn sign doesnt mean theyre good guard dogs. good DETERRANT maybe.
i could put that sign on my fence (though my dogs can JUMP the fence so theyre all indoor dogs) and other than the awful cropped ears the pic is close enough, but the fact is my dogs would just want to cuddle with someone.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm

Here's a site with some good historical info on the pitt bull terrier. I have to warn people though this site contains graphic images of the effects of dog fighting. It's not pretty and is very disturbing to me at least.

i started crying too much to get anywhere close to finishing, but im glad you posted the link none the less.
please look at the little puppy people. PLEASE look at the little puppy.
does that look like a "marauder" to you?
i dont understand how (not "why", but HOW) people can be so horrid.

please look at this page and understand that banning a breed of dog is NOT the answer.
these people will still get their hands on them (until we stop them), and then the dogs (like mine or kaz's) that COULDVE been in good homes will also get killed.
in denver, that little puppy (yes, they kill puppies instead of taking them to nearby boulder) would get killed.
PLEASE realize that thats not right.

im sick to my stomach right now, and ive never seen anything like that before, but im still thankful for it being posted.
it just strengthens my resolve and makes me love my dogs even more. God i wish i could go home and cuddle with them.

[shakenbake]

Are Pits naturally aggressive towards other dogs ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

slug, a damn sign doesnt mean theyre good guard dogs. good DETERRANT maybe.

Exactly! = good guard dog. Not many people are going to hop fences knowing a Pit Bull is on the other side.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

.......its early........i better go get coffee........sorry.

hey kal, can you post pics?

im sick of people posting pics of other breeds with sarcasm dripping from their posts.
can you post some picks of pit pups?
post pics of the many pit adults playing with kids?
pits that DONT have a studded collar and their ears cropped so theyll appear mean?

heck, post the pic of that adorable little pup from that awful fighting link.
let people look at those photos.

its my wifes running joke to cuddle with our dogs and tell them (in her best baby talk voice) how vicious they are. how she better be careful they dont tear her face off. its funny because of course our two pits are SOOOO cute and all they wanna do is be loved. big lap dogs.
sadly though, the "vicious" perception is spreading like a disease.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Ok here is what I think is a better analogy.

Having aggressive dogs can be a danger to others.
Having swimming pools is even more dangerous to children check out these stats.

ban those damned maruading swimming pools already.

[Rigs11]

It's funny but they say that labs are gentle and wouldn't hurt a fly, but mine make great guard dogs. If I let someone in they are gentle and friendly, but if someone tries to enter even the backyard they put on quite a show.I do have three though so maybe it's the pack thing.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Complete BS as I already have shown!

40% of the dog population is Pit Bull? What a croc of crap!!! And what idioit would take stats from some site called realpitbull.com as gospel?

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Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada


One of the most detailed studies of dog attacks in the USA is Clifton, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006.

oh as youve shown huh?

from ONE study? his info is bogus, but "clifton" apparently is the bible?

bottom line is that there are ALOT of rotten owners out there, and the breed of choice for rotten owners is currently the pitbull.
hell, vick had over 60 of 'em.

lets say for example that 30% of ALL dogs are neglected and/or abused.
what percentage of pits are neglected and/or abused?
60? 70?
ALOT more.
with that in mind, your stats are actually a tribute to how GOOD the breed is.
good God people. go beyond the surface.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

90% of the people I associate with are Catholic

that explains alot. you need to get out more.

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this is a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. It's unlike other wolf-hybrids and a very cool animal. Very rare in the USA.

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Originally Posted by bendog

Henry likes to steathily sneak up behind joggers before dawn and suddenly appear about 3 feet away from their right hand and stare at them and then match their gait.

The neighbor's pit bull liked him. The pitbull liked the two people, their second dog and Henry. Everyone else was dead meat walking.

My guess is that the kids' screaming and the JRT barking set the pit bulls into a state of excitement by an unusual situtation, and their predispostion is to attack if confused and excited, unless they've been conditioned to have another response. So, you've got a dog that basically needs "special handling." And yes Dobies were in that category 25 years ago, but the breed was altered by breeding. Unfortunately, pit bulls are not bred in accordance with professional breeding. Their not even recognized as a breed, and that's probably wrong.

The three breeds below are all called pit bulls, but are separate breeds. All recognized by the kennel clubs however. I'm not sure why you think they aren't a recognized breed.

Staffordshire
Bull Terrier

American
Staffordshire Terrier

Bull Terrier

[Popps]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Are Pits naturally aggressive towards other dogs ?

They're bred from fighting lines. However, if they're socialized and exercised properly, most are fine around other animals. But, because they do have a trigger, they should N E V E R be left alone with other dogs, no matter how cute they are, no matter how well you think you know them.

That said, they can be great dogs, great pets. But, they require an ENORMOUS amount of responsibility that most people simply aren't ready for.. particularly the tough guy crowd who buys the dog as an ornament to extend their (lack of) masculinity.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Are Pits naturally aggressive towards other dogs ?

extremely. they must be socialized at a young age.
when we brought home our baby pit, i had to get in between he and my older pit at dinner time and put my face in between them.
they growled at eachother and were territorial of the food bowls.
in my house, the dogs have to share, but with the pits, the only way to teach it was to get down there myself.
as soon as i put my face in between them of course they stopped.
eventually they learned that they have to share.

now, they all get along great unless my son plays with them too aggressively and puts them in competition with eachother for attention. i had to put a stop to that too.

as for aggression towards HUMANS though, its never happened. they are truly the most loving animals i could ever hope to be around.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

ban those damned maruading swimming pools already.

Yea, but Jake... you're a smarter guy than that. Honestly. There comes a point when you go beyond defending a logical argument (which I believe you have) and go into territory where you're just upsetting people by using horrible analogies that don't accurately represent the two situations.

I HAVE NO CHOICE of whether or not an off-leash dog attacks my child, and three times in the past 4 years... we've been approached by off-leash dogs (in a nice neighborhood) ... one of which ending up in a brutal dog-fight.

I DO HAVE THE CHOICE not to let my kid walk around a swimming pool unattended.

I mean, you have to see that... and just because you agree with this dude about Pit Bulls doesn't mean you have to dumb down your argument as far as he did.

You're right, the breed gets a bad rap.

You're right, HUMANS are ultimately responsible for nearly every attack that happens.

That said... the nature of these dogs in that they ARE gladiators makes the more dangerous than other dogs and people simply don't want the risk in their neighborhood.

No matter how cute you think they are... no matter how much you love yours.

Dogs are a privilege, and your normal society of civilized people are going to eventually outlaw that privilege when it's abused, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE DOG'S FAULT. Get it? EVEN IF THE PERCEPTION IS SKEWED. Get it?

This isn't about whether or not the dog is at fault.

This isn't about how "logical" it is to ban the dogs.

UNTIL people show they are responsible, the public backlash is going to be there.... and given the appeal of PBs to the "tough guy" set, you're fighting an uphill battle.

I absolutely love dogs and genuinely love Pit Bulls. But, I've also got no problem if legislation limits the breeding and places restriction on the owners.

In fact, it's humane.

Over-breeding, dog-fighting and neglect are FAR more cruel than some laws governing the breeding of these animals.

You're a logical guy, and it surprises me that as a lover of the breed... you wouldn't WANT the right people owning these dogs.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

It's funny but they say that labs are gentle and wouldn't hurt a fly, but mine make great guard dogs. If I let someone in they are gentle and friendly, but if someone tries to enter even the backyard they put on quite a show.I do have three though so maybe it's the pack thing.

no, its not.
mine was a good guard dog too (though that isnt why we had him of course) before he got old.
my 2 pits on the other hand just wanna cuddle.

[Rohirrim]

What ever happened to Dobermans? Twenty years ago, they were everywhere. Now, you almost never see one. They used to have the label that the Bull Terriers have now.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

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The three breeds below are all called pit bulls, but are separate breeds. All recognized by the kennel clubs however. I'm not sure why you think they aren't a recognized breed.

Staffordshire
Bull Terrier

American
Staffordshire Terrier

Bull Terrier

youre missing "american pitbull terrier", and i would also say that what most people THINK of as a pit isnt a pit at all.
its either a staffy or a bull terrier mixed with a shepherd or mastiff.

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

What ever happened to Dobermans? Twenty years ago, they were everywhere. Now, you almost never see one. They used to have the label that the Bull Terriers have now.

I see Dobermans at the dog park all the time.

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Originally Posted by orange 4 life

youre missing "american pitbull terrier", and i would also say that what most people THINK of as a pit isnt a pit at all.
its either a staffy or a bull terrier mixed with a shepherd or mastiff.

Isn't the American Staffy the same as american pitbull terrier?

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The only bad thing about pit bulls is the people most likely to want one are generally the last people who should be allowed to have one.

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

What ever happened to Dobermans? Twenty years ago, they were everywhere. Now, you almost never see one. They used to have the label that the Bull Terriers have now.

My friends have one they rescued that has turned into a really good pet. He's a little wild and to me a little sketchy, and I think he did bite someone once. Nothing big just a nip on the hand. I also so one being walked the other day. You're right though I think when I was a kid I think I saw alot more.

[Rohirrim]

I had a friend who had a huge, male dobey. We took him out to this firing range and he keeps telling me, "Yeah, he doesn't mind the sounds of guns. He'll just lie in the truck while we're shooting." Sure enough, the first round that goes off, that dog is gone into the hills. We searched for him for hours. Finally, we went to town and got a can of dog food and left it out there in a dish. The next morning, we drove back out there and find that old dog, sitting there like a good boy, with both paws in the dish.

[obediah]

lolololol, first off, take your pitbulls to Oakland with the rest of the trash *cough*faiders*cough*

For everytime i hear "Another pitbull attack" i hear these ignorant people that own pitbulls that say, "Its just the environment they were raised in" or something to that nature. Ok i can agree to that to a point, but guess what.. i dont think i have read more than maybe one story about a chihuahua mauling a child or person period for that matter. Now the thousand i have read about a SPECIFIC BREED called pitbulls on the other hand makes me tend to think of something called TENDENCY..

ten·den·cy /ˈtɛndənsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ten-duhn-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies.
1. a NATURAL or prevailing disposition to move, proceed, or act in some direction or toward some point, end, or result: the tendency of falling bodies toward the earth.
2. an inclination, bent, or predisposition to something: a tendency to talk too much.

Also known as TRENDS...

How many other breeds have had this many incidents? Rotwiellers? Dobbermans? ****-zus?

Not even close to the amount the pitbulls have.

Ya know what,, all this doesnt really amount to much, You should be able to have whatever dog you want to have and there isnt anything i should say about it.

HOWEVER..

You have absolutely no right what so ever to in-danger myself or my family or anyone else's for that matter. I always here about these attacks and im sitting there thinking, Ok why was the dog out in the first place? Why is the owner not right there chasing after the dog making sure he doesnt attack someone or something. Why are we not holding the owners more accountable, (ie. a child loses an eye and face is deformed), that owner should go to jail for not being more responsible. That owner should never be allowed to take care of anything living again. The dog, is a dog, an ANIMAL, you are the most ignorant fool i have ever seen if you say that any of the breeds of dogs are not capable of similiar attacks. THEY ARE ANIMALS. and if you cant control them and keep everyone around you safe, then you shouldnt have kids, you shouldnt own pets, you shouldnt be responisble for anything alive. Chihuahua or Pitbull doesnt matter they are animals.

But wait i said that i read more pitbull stories than i did chihuahua stories.. Ahhh no i think i got it. Pit bull owners, GENERALLY, are irresponsible idiots who want to have a pitbull to show some sign of being a bigger man then someone else or to make up for their lack of pecker size. So really i personally think the problem isnt the breed, its the people that own the breeds..

i will close with my opening statement. Take your "im a badass and so is my dog" mentallity and your extrememly ugly dog, the pitbull, back to Oakland with the thugs and the Faiders and stop putting those of us that live close to you in danger, since you are obviously not responsible enough to take care of a dog....


End of rant

Obediah