Tiny terrier saved kids from pit bulls

[mosca]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

Sorry to say mosca, but you are coming off as incredibly short-sighted in this debate. With the phenomenel strength and gameness to fight that APBT show when committing to an attack, there ought to be special legislation that to own one, a person should be certified and trained to house a potentially lethal animal, period. Few dogs have the ability to kill other beings 5 to 10 times their own size. APBT are one of them. Sorry to say.

Any man-biting curr that is identified, ought to be euthanized, as well as it's entire bloodline. Such as was the old way. Cross-breeding and poor selective breeding in the past 25 years, has destroyed the breed. Truth be told, any APBT ought to have a pedigree; re: a papered animal.

I don't have much of a problem with additional certification and training requirements for pit bulls or any other large dog that can cause severe damage. This type of educational approach to the problem is a much better solution. Look at how many dogs are either tied up all day long, stay indoors most of the day, or even live in apartments. In my opinion, no dog should be without a yard or outdoor area that they can run in for -at least- one hour a day.

I agree with what you say on the breeding as well.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by mosca

I don't have much of a problem with additional certification and training requirements for pit bulls or any other large dog that can cause severe damage. This type of educational approach to the problem is a much better solution. Look at how many dogs are either tied up all day long, stay indoors most of the day, or even live in apartments. In my opinion, no dog should be without a yard or outdoor area that they can run in for -at least- one hour a day.

I agree with what you say on the breeding as well.

Perhaps I spoke too soon, as to your position. Your cantor may have been misinterpreted as blind devotion. My apologies.

Regarding the fundamental problem that the breed faces today, I believe there are 4 basic problems.

1- They are selectively bred for all the wrong reasons. It used to be that a bulldog ( a general term for APBT and/or Staffie or AS or a selectively bred game bulldog) was bred for gameness, loyalty and dispostion - (temperment in regards to human handlers) Today they are bred for aggressiveness, size, tenacity and looks.

2- Being an illegitimate endeavor, the sport of pitting, being illegal, has no legal oversight or regulations. A fundamental issue, only because for the people who do it entirely wrong, there is no consequence other than the fact that it is illegal. If they're never caught, what they actually do (in regards to training and breeding and conditioning) with their animals is irrelevant. If the bloodsport was legalized and regulated, it might present a different general outcome.

3- Few members of the American Public are responsible owners. Making problematic cases excasberated byway of incident.

4- Finally, bulldogs have always required special handling. The day and age where handlers had exhorbitant amounts of time to train and rear the animals properly are gone. In it's place is a fast-paced society that hardly has time for their own children, let alone these animals.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by mosca

This type of educational approach to the problem is a much better solution. .

Did you even read the article I just posted? Do you think redneck dude who buys Pit bulls to "guard his shop" is going to respond to "education?"

These ***-sticks who buy Pit bulls don't need an education on them... THEY KNOW THE DOGS ARE DANGEROUS.

Why do you think they HAVE the dogs?!?

What part of that don't you understand? "Educating" criminals isn't going to stop them from abusing these dogs and hurting people.

Taking them out of their hands WILL.

... and before the next one of you trots out the "they'll just move to another breed" non-argument, we've already covered that. If we need to go after other breeds, we will.

[RunByDesign]

Originally Posted by Popps

Taking them out of their hands WILL.

Which is why I support legislation.

1- Eliminate problem animals
2- Educate, Certify and Oversee potential handlers
3- Create the support network necessary to refine the bloodline through selective breeding.
4- Make the penalties for non-compliance harsh.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by RunByDesign

Which is why I support legislation.

1- Eliminate problem animals
2- Educate, Certify and Oversee potential handlers
3- Create the support network necessary to refine the bloodline through selective breeding.
4- Make the penalties for non-compliance harsh.

You're on top of this stuff. You sound like someone with the breed and society's best interest in mind... not like someone covering their eyes, ignoring the facts as they present themselves.

The funny thing is, if someone truly cared about the breed... they wouldn't want ANOTHER SINGLE Pit bull puppy born until we prove we're capable of handling them correctly.

Instead, people ignore over-breeding, attacks on children and dog-fighting in favor of ass-backwards debate tactics.

Yea... let's "educate" the meth addict who chose a Pit bull as his tough guy dog... who eventually ended up attacking a 6 year old. (This past weekend.)

There's no cruelty in not breeding these animals.

[Popps]

An 18-month-old girl was attacked by a pit bull last night after the dog wandered into her home in the 1400 block of Cardinal Drive.

The girl, whose name has not been released, was playing under a table inside her home when the dog apparently bit her face, said Capt. Wayne Zelinsky with Metro Animal Services.

The girl’s father heard the commotion and was able to get the dog into a utility closet, Zelinsky said.

The attack happened about 8:30 p.m.

The girl is in fair condition at Kosair Children’s Hospital, said a Kosair spokesman. Family at the hospital declined to comment on what happened.

Louisville Metro Police responded to the call and Animal Services assisted.

The dog is being quarantined at Animal Services for at least 10 days.

Zelinsky said the dog is licensed to an owner on Belmar Drive, just a few blocks from the home on Cardinal Drive.

When police went to the Belmar home, they found the remnants of a methamphetamine lab, said Alicia Smiley, a metro police spokeswoman.

The owner was not at home but has several outstanding warrants for drug charges, she said. His name was not released by police.

Zelinsky said the owner could also be cited for failing to properly restrain the dog or providing secure location.

If the owner wishes to keep the dog, he would have to comply with requirements of the dangerous dog ordinance that include having the animal spayed or neutered and provide a secured yard for the animal, Zelinsky said.


If the owner wishes to keep the dog?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that a ****ing joke? This dog tries to rip the face of an 18 month old girl, and we're going to let this guy keep it as long as he puts it in an "enclosed" yard?

Absolute insanity. Thankfully, most communities are dealing with this crap better than these ****ups.

[orange 4 life]

plenty of good info here. click the top link and take the time to read the study and the CONCLUSION. if you dont wanna read the whole thing, its summarized right in the beginning. link below is the identify the APBT page again. link on the bottom is to a page where you can read summaries of karen delise's findings. ive referenced her previously, but she took the INDIVIDUAL cases and examined them. she broke down the attacks case by case and was surprised at the findings. bottom line is she didnt find ANY evidence to support the whole "they just snap" theory. virtually ALL of the fatality cases (from all breeds for that matter) were a result of other factors. the family dog sleeping on the bed for 5 years tearing someones neck out one day never materialized......despite many stories that on the surface seemed to state just that.

below that are the examples of bad reporting i posted earlier. there are examples everywhere, but here are a few.
disclaimer below that (bottom of post) is in regards to the "clifton" study that keeps getting regurgitated here. they even know its inherantly misleading.

www.dogexpert.com/FatalDogAttacks/dogbreeds.pdf

www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

Examination of newspaper archival records dating back to the 1950s and 1960s reveal the same types of severe and fatal attacks occurring then as today. The only difference is the breed of dog responsible for these events. A random study of 74 severe and fatal attacks reported in the Evening Bulletin (Philadelphia, PA) from 1964-1968, show no severe or fatal attacks by Rottweilers and only one attack attributed to a Pit-Bull-type dog. The dogs involved in most of these incidents were the breeds that were popular at the time.

here are just a few examples of bad reporting:

Killer Pit Bulls Rip Granny to ShredsNew York Post (NYPost.com) Dec. 11, 2002Pet Pit Bulls Kill Woman, 80, in Her HomeThe New York Times (nytimes.com) Dec. 11, 2002
[The victim's daughter and granddaughter (owner of the dogs) could not believe the dogs, a female Pit Bull and a male Lab/Pit mix attacked and killed the elderly woman. The family hired a forensic pathologist to review the case. It was determined that although the victim had sustained some dog bites, all the bites were non-lethal and post-mortem. The grandmother was not "ripped to shreds" by the dogs but died from cardiac arrhythmia. Both dogs were eventually returned to their owners.]

Pit Bull Attack Victim Leaves Hospital WTVO (Channel 17) April 25, 2003
Man Struggles to Recover from Pit Bull Attack WTVO (Channel 17) April 29, 2003
[The man in this case was never bitten by a Pit bull. Indeed, there is no mention of the dog making contact with the man at all. Instead, the man was running from the dog and he ran into the road and "slammed" into a passing van. He sustained serious injuries from the collision with the vehicle.]

Pit Bull Horror New York Daily News February 7, 2004
Pit Bull Mauls 3-Year-Old's Face New York Newsday February 6, 2004
[A Bronx family owned a Boxer dog and a German Shepherd puppy that usually were kept in the basement as guard dogs. Two days before the girl was bitten, the family took in a Pit Bull. The 3-year-old was alone playing with the three dogs when a dogfight started. At this point the girl was bitten in the face by the Boxer (also reported to be an American bulldog). It was later acknowledged that the Pit bull (also reported to be a Pit bull mix and a "pet bulldog") was not involved in the attack on the girl]

Cortland Pit Bull Mauling Death WBNG.com (Channel 12) Dec. 9, 2002
[It was later determined that although the Pit bull participated in the death of 24-year-old Eric Tallman, the dog did not inflict the fatal wounds. The victim died from blunt force injury. It was later revealed that the victim was beaten to death by an acquaintance over a drug debt.]

Vancouver Girl Badly Injured in Pit Bull Attack CTV News Dec. 23, 2002
[This was a very severe attack and as such garnered much media attention. As a result of more in-depth coverage the breed was later correctly identified as a Mastiff/Rottweiler mixed breed]

Family's Pit Bull Kills Boy, 20, months The Gainesville Sun May 8, 2000
20-month-old Killed by Bull Terrier Naples Daily News May 9, 2000
[This child was not killed by a Pit Bull, nor a Bull Terrier, nor a "family" dog. How the dog came to be labelled a "Pit bull" is unexplained. The owner described the dog to be a Labrador/Mastiff/Rottweiler cattle dog. The dog was used to herd cattle and was kept chained on the property. Animal control and the Alachua Sheriff's office confirm the dog was a mixed breed. Photographs of the dog reveal no discernable breed.]
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here is part of the disclaimer before listing fatal dog bite stats that others have used on this thread (clifton study) to attempt to show how dangerous pitbulls are:

Since there may be error in the identification of the breed of dog(s) involved in a fatal attack as reported in newspaper stories, it would be a mistake to use information posted on this site to support agendas promoting legislation banning, limiting or curtailing the ownership of certain breeds of dog, such as a so-called "pit bull" dog (read "Problems with American pit bull terrier identification"). Note that a pit bull is not a breed of dog, but instead the term has come to be widely used to describe a dog that has an appearance similar to a American Pit Bull terrier or American Staffordshire terrier. In some cases a dog described as a pit bull may in fact be an American Staff (AKC recognized) or an American Pit Bull (UKC recognized), but in other cases it may not. Since other breeds of dog physically resemble these breeds, mistaken identity is frequntly made and consequently numbers are inflated for the number of attacks involving so-called "pit bulls". Further, correct breed identification becomes more problematic when the dog involved in an attack is a mixed-breed. Hence, ambiguity exists when using the term "pit bull".

[Popps]

Jake, I've posted probably 5 articles in the last week alone, complete with pictures of the PIT BULL and complete with EYEWITNESS accounts, including from the FAMILIES themselves.

Can we stop pretending that we don't know what kinds of dogs these are? Btw... I'm not exactly cutting the Pit bull that happens to be 1/4 Lab a break here, either. Fairly good chance that it wasn't the Lab genes that made the dog rip a kids face off.

[Popps]

Hence, ambiguity exists when using the term "pit bull"

Only in the minds of PB owners.

We're talking about APBTs, Amstaffs and obvious mixes of either.

Mix an APBT with a Lab.

One breed was bred to hunt birds and retrieve them.

One was bred to fight another animal to the death.

Now.... I wonder which side the trouble's likely to come from?

[Popps]

(Notice the writers of this article were able to accurately identify a Pit bull, shown in the pic with its owner.)

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...storiesrecache

Pit bulls lead city in reported bites

Pit bulls accounted for 100 reported dog bites in Indianapolis during the first six months of this year, more than twice as many as any other single breed, city statistics show.

Peterson's concern grew after a pit bull attacked Camaya Fletcher, 7, in late May.
The girl's mother, Kimberly Harris, 33, said she was "dog-sitting" a pit bull at her Northeastside home. As Harris and Camaya let the excited pit bull into the backyard, the dog jumped up on Harris and then Camaya.
"I believed what triggered him was she began to scream" as the dog jumped on her, Harris said.
Camaya became entangled in the dog's chain and fell down, and the dog began snapping at the girl and then bit her left arm. Harris and the dog engaged in a tug-of-war over Camaya, with the dog dragging the girl down a slight incline behind the home.
An off-duty policeman, who happened to be visiting a friend in the neighborhood, helped rescue Camaya. He shot the dog, but it died only after the owner gave permission for animal-control officers to euthanize it.
Camaya had two surgeries, the first one lasting nearly nine hours. She now faces physical therapy. Doctors are unsure whether she will regain full use of her arm.
Camaya's mother doesn't know whether a city ban is the answer.
"It's hard to say," Harris said. "I don't know if anybody knows what triggers them."

Funny how many times we hear words like "trigger" and "switch" when it comes to these dogs, yet... people want to pretend there is no such thing.
Ask this woman, who had to literally save her daughter from being eaten if there's one. Apparently she thinks there is. She saw it.

[vancejohnson82]

The dog began playing...the 7 year old....repeat 7 year old...repeat 7 year old who doesnt live with the dog...nor probably had many interactions with the dog before this panicked...

and how many times do we see this on America's Funniest Animals when a smaller dog is doing the TUG OF WAR with the kids and people are laughing

don't get me wrong, its horrible and I agree with RESTRICTIONS on the dogs, but they aren't any more aggressive than other dogs...if neutered or spayed they are very much like other dogs, but when they make mistakes they are big ones


take it up with your Senator

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by mosca

Sounds like she was ripped to shreds, the skin was gone down to the bone.

umm she walked in screaming. most kids that get attacked by pits are usually carried.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

People arguing these dogs aren't more dangerous than other breeds must not be reading the papers or watching the news...

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2 injured by Aurora pit bull
Victim in critical condition; another also hospitalized
By Carlos Illescas and Simona Gallegos
Denver Post Staff Writers
Article Last Updated: 07/13/2007 06:23:57 AM MDT

As a pit bull mauled a woman and her granddaughter Thursday, others in the house tried to get the dog off them by stabbing it repeatedly with a large kitchen knife, Aurora police said.

But that didn't work. So when police arrived, the responding officer shot the dog in the head through a glass door.

Police dragged the dog outside, but it wasn't going down without a fight. Officers had to shoot it a second time.

"Someone in the home used a knife and was stabbing the dog, trying to get it off the two ladies, and it wasn't doing anything," Aurora police spokesman Bob Friel said. "Then the officers showed up and shot and killed it. The knife was still sticking out of the dog."

That was part of the drama Thursday as police responded just after 1 p.m. to 4291 S. Nucla Way on an out-of-control-dog call and a house full of screaming people.

The names of the victims were not released, but a woman in her 60s who was mauled by the pit bull was in critical condition, Friel said. Another woman, believed to be in her 20s, also was hospitalized. The two were visiting the home, where children were present.

Next-door neighbor Richard Vitamvas said he was working in his yard when the two visitors arrived at the home. About five minutes later, he heard screams and a young woman rushed out of the house with a small child under one arm and a phone in her free hand.

"She had blood on her hands and was pretty incoherent," he said. She handed him the phone, and he looked inside the house and saw another young woman fending off a dog with a serrated knife.

Vitamvas, who is a nurse, said he helped police tend to the older woman. He said she had been "bitten down to the bone" and was slipping in and out of consciousness.

Police did not say who lived at the home.

Vitamvas said the residents had moved into the house about three months ago but weren't home at the time of the attack. He said he has heard occasional barking for about a month.

Police said no pit bull is registered to live there.

The city banned pit bulls several years ago, but residents who owned the dogs before January 2006 were allowed to keep them as long as they met several requirements.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by mosca

I don't have much of a problem with additional certification and training requirements for pit bulls or any other large dog that can cause severe damage. This type of educational approach to the problem is a much better solution. Look at how many dogs are either tied up all day long, stay indoors most of the day, or even live in apartments. In my opinion, no dog should be without a yard or outdoor area that they can run in for -at least- one hour a day.

I agree with what you say on the breeding as well.

Excellent post.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

1) Police did not say who lived at the home.

2) Vitamvas said the residents had moved into the house about three months ago but weren't home at the time of the attack. He said he has heard occasional barking for about a month.

3) Police said no pit bull is registered to live there.

1) what a surprise.

2) what a surprise.

3) what a surprise.

yep, just another "family pet" gone wild right?
boy i better watch myself when i go home tonight.
my dogs might bite my face off while theyre sitting in my lap.

oh vey

[kamakazi_kal]

Zzz...

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

Zzz...

dont fall asleep my friend.
if you believe these guys, your dog might come rip your face off!!!

.....but there's no senationalism or hysteria going on. oyyyy

ps- its now become a running joke in our family. we give our dogs hugs and kisses and say things like "hello vicious killer. no ripping my face off okay?" in the typical dog/baby talk.
to spend an hour or two with my dogs is to realize there's just no way these guys are ever gonna "snap".

my friends with small children ALL let their kids play with our dogs, and they all also comment on how wonderfully sweet they are.
when very small children come over, we have to put the lab in the bedroom (he's a little testy at times), but both the pits just wanna love, and their sensitivity and understanding of human emotion is second to none.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Popps

Did you even read the article I just posted? Do you think redneck dude who buys Pit bulls to "guard his shop" is going to respond to "education?"

These ***-sticks who buy Pit bulls don't need an education on them... THEY KNOW THE DOGS ARE DANGEROUS.

I see what you're saying... some redneck lowlife types of course will never learn, and not only when it comes to handling of dogs. I'm not saying that education and certification will solve the entire problem, but in many cases it would help. In the cases where this does nothing, when we have idiots who refuse to comply, step #4 of RunByDesign's would work: 4- Make the penalties for non-compliance harsh.

Legislation like he proposed in his post is fine. Blanket prohibition is what I'm opposed to.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

1) what a surprise.
2) what a surprise.
3) what a surprise.
yep, just another "family pet" gone wild right?
boy i better watch myself when i go home tonight.
my dogs might bite my face off while theyre sitting in my lap.
oh vey

I don't know, is it? But, it is another Pit Bull gone wild, and that's the point.

[Malcontent]

Bump...lets make 600 for this thread!!

[Popps]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

dont fall asleep my friend.
if you believe these guys, your dog might come rip your face off!!!

Yea, that never happens. Let's scan the news from the last couple days...

Women recovering after pit bull attack in Aurora
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=73633
-Family "pet" attacks visitors... and stabbing the dog wouldn't stop it.
The owner confirmed it was a Pit Bull. (Before we start the mistaken identity routine.)

Pit Bull attacks 2 year old**Warning: even more disturbing than usual**
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_articl...?storyid=49447
-Family "pet"... complete with pictures, confirmed Pit Bull.

14 year old attacked by family pit bull
http://www.journalreview.com/article...news/01dog.txt
-The usual.

Teen bitten by pit bull while walking dog
http://www.whiotv.com/news/13675074/detail.htm
-Dog attacked her and her dog.

8 year old in serious condition after pit bull attack
http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/07/12...ls-lorain-boy/
As it turned out, the pit bull that attacked the 8-year-old boy was not necessarily a vicious dog, Mattei said.
“The kids are over there playing with it all the time,” Mattei said.
-But, there's no trigger in these dogs... right?

Woman's 2 dogs attacked by one Pit Bull
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/234611

Pit Bull shot after it bites Redding man
http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul...-it-bites-man/
-The coveted Bluenose Pit bull

Child Protective Services removes girl after Pit bull attack
http://www.mineralwellsindex.com/loc...192101340.html
-Pit bulls, working wonders for families everywhere.


Yea, why would anyone worry about these dogs, Jake? Maybe because all of these stories came from the past several days... and several days from now, there will be a similar slew of them?

Time to start looking at reality, my friend. Enough is enough.

[mosca]

Originally Posted by Popps

Yea, that never happens. Let's scan the news from the last couple days...

Did you even read all of these articles, Popps? Seems like more than a few are not quite as cut 'n dry as the headlines make them out to be.

Originally Posted by Popps

Pit Bull attacks 2 year old**Warning: even more disturbing than usual**
http://www.wgrz.com/news/news_articl...?storyid=49447
-Family "pet"... complete with pictures, confirmed Pit Bull.

This is the sodomy incident, where a 2-year old was left alone with a pit bull! Great parenting job here. The article, quoting the animal behavioral specialist: "She urges parents to never, ever leave their children alone with a dog."

Originally Posted by Popps

14 year old attacked by family pit bull
http://www.journalreview.com/article...news/01dog.txt
-The usual.

This incident features a dog who was confused, thinking that the child it attacked had been hurting the younger child. I've personally seen this with dogs. Do not rough house or "play-fight" especially around larger dogs of this nature.

Originally Posted by Popps

Teen bitten by pit bull while walking dog
http://www.whiotv.com/news/13675074/detail.htm
-Dog attacked her and her dog.

404 Not Found.

Originally Posted by Popps

8 year old in serious condition after pit bull attack
http://www.chroniclet.com/2007/07/12...ls-lorain-boy/
As it turned out, the pit bull that attacked the 8-year-old boy was not necessarily a vicious dog, Mattei said.
“The kids are over there playing with it all the time,” Mattei said.
-But, there's no trigger in these dogs... right?

From the end of the article: Mattei said it was unfortunate Wednesday’s incident would likely solidify stereotypes on the pit bull breed, which aren’t responsible for most of the dog bite incidents in Lorain. So far this year, about five of 70 dog bites in Lorain were inflicted by pit bulls, Mattei said.

Originally Posted by Popps

Pit Bull shot after it bites Redding man
http://www.redding.com/news/2007/jul...-it-bites-man/
-The coveted Bluenose Pit bull

This one is clearly a case of pit bull hysteria. Quoted as saying "This dog is not leaving this yard again alive," the police (not animal control) pepper sprayed, stun gunned, shot twice with a 12-guage shotgun, and then ran over the dog twice - after it bit a man on the thighs, "breaking the skin lightly".

From the article: But Redding Animal Regulation Capt. Lee Anne Smith, who is also director of operations for the Haven Humane Society, questioned the force used by police, calling it "excessive" and "inappropriate," and was miffed that police apparently thought animal control officers couldn't handle the situation.

"The fact that they shot the dog is not an issue," Smith said. "But in my nearly 20 years (as an animal regulation officer), I've never had a (police) officer intentionally run over a dog twice to stop it."

And, she said, the shotgun wound to the head that finally killed the dog may make it impossible to test it for rabies.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by mosca

This is the sodomy incident, where a 2-year old was left alone with a pit bull! Great parenting job here. The article, quoting the animal behavioral specialist: "She urges parents to never, ever leave their children alone with a dog."

Wait... I thought Pit bulls were so great with kids?

Now, we "can't leave our kids alone" with them?

I grew up with dogs my whole life. I spent COUNTLESS hours alone with various breeds of dogs at all ages. My one year old baby girl literally steals the toys out of our Boxer's mouth and she (the dog) steps back and waits patiently. (See photo)

Sorry, man. If I can't leave my kid "alone" with a dog for a few minutes, that dog shouldn't be in a home.... period.

I keep hearing how great they are with kids. I guess that's aside from the ones who are busy trying to kill them.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by mosca

" the police (not animal control) pepper sprayed, stun gunned, shot twice with a 12-guage shotgun, and then ran over the dog twice - after it bit a man on the thighs, "breaking the skin lightly". .

Yea, you're right... they should have waited until it killed or disfigured the man, as is often the case. Gosh, I wonder why the police were so aggressive with this breed of dog? You happen to read the article about the "family" Pit bull that attacked visitors, and continued to attack, even with a KNIFE BURIED IN ITS SIDE? The cops showed up... and this dog is still attacking the family, with a friggin' knife hanging out of it.

So, you'll forgive the cops if they are a bit touchy around the breed. It's not without reason.

[vancejohnson82]

so you would leave your naked two year old alone with ANY unfixed dog if it wasn't a pitbull?


great parenting

yeah, its a good thing that they shot the pitbull and then ran it over twice. I read that besides "lockjaw" pitbulls have a gene that brings them back to life as blood sucking zombies if you don't shoot them in the head and run them over with a car


give me a break......

some things people have to say on this issue are hilarious.