vick needs to go to prison(M) - Page 7 - The Orange Mane

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

He is a bad QB and a worse person. It is that simple. The only thing laughable is your constant defense over the years of a first rate POS.

You Vick apologist are all the same...blame the coaching(of course they had to change HC and OC's regularly because nobody can help some one so stupid)blame the receivers despite the fact they keep spending high draft picks and tons of money on them yet they can't even make him look decent. Everybody's fault except poor little herpes infested Ron Mexico.

The only POS here is you.. talking about someone you don't even know, and after the comments you made toward Gonzo.

footstepsfrom#27 · 05-02-2007, 01:32 PM

One thing to note...under Virginia law, animal cruelty, ie; starvation, lack of water, etc...as opposed to something like torture or dissmemberment...is a missdemeanor not a felony...so one would suppose that unless they can produce some hard evidence that he 1) knew about it, 2) did more than sell the dogs, and 3) actually participated himself in dog fighting by running the business, funding it, or in some way managing it, he probably stands to be charged with missdemeanors. He'll have no problem affording lawyers who can easily tie this up in the courts indefinitely so while Goodell might jump in with a suspension, I can't see him missing the season because he's in jail. This will be two years before it even goes to court unless he goes with a public defender instead of real lawyers.

My main question is why the feds are involved. This is a state felony if it's dog fighting...maybe they suspect some form of interstate commerce here. There has to be something like that or they wouldn't be involved.

NaptownChief · 05-02-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I don't see him make posts like this about Manning or Brady. I'd say that pretty much kills that theory.

He isn't worried about being accurate....he is just trying defend an indefensible person so he has to try and make things up.

Garcia,

I'm not familiar with prisons....will you still be able to cock swallow the guy when he is locked up?

orange 4 life · 05-02-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The only POS here is you.. talking about someone you don't even know, and after the comments you made toward Gonzo.

i dont care whether or not vick can play qb right now, but i do care about his actions with these animals.
gonzo is a piece of garbage and its about a 99% certainty that vick is too.

Bladerunner · 05-02-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

One thing to note...under Virginia law, animal cruelty, ie; starvation, lack of water, etc...as opposed to something like torture or dissmemberment...is a missdemeanor not a felony...so one would suppose that unless they can produce some hard evidence that he 1) knew about it, 2) did more than sell the dogs, and 3) actually participated himself in dog fighting by running the business, funding it, or in some way managing it, he probably stands to be charged with missdemeanors. He'll have no problem affording lawyers who can easily tie this up in the courts indefinitely so while Goodell might jump in with a suspension, I can't see him missing the season because he's in jail. This will be two years before it even goes to court unless he goes with a public defender instead of real lawyers.

My main question is why the feds are involved. This is a state felony if it's dog fighting...maybe they suspect some form of interstate commerce here. There has to be something like that or they wouldn't be involved.

yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.

Paladin · 05-02-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladerunner

yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.

Rep. Absolutely right on.

But h3ll. He is from VT.......

NaptownChief · 05-02-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladerunner

yeah...probably that or gambling...

I had no idea that Garcia was so brainwashed on Vick...Ron Mexico is a poor to average QB who has no accountability and has no business being the highest paid player in the NFL. He can't stay out of trouble, and he isn't showing squat on the field.

He will be in here to call you a racist in a matter of moments.

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by orange 4 life

i dont care whether or not vick can play qb right now, but i do care about his actions with these animals.
gonzo is a piece of garbage and its about a 99% certainty that vick is too.

dude...we don't know all the facts yet, nor has an investigation been completed yet. There is no reason to assume that Vick is either complettely innocent or guilty.

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Garcia,

I'm not familiar with prisons....will you still be able to cock swallow the guy when he is locked up?

Nice. Grow up jackarse.

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-02-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

dude...we don't know all the facts yet, nor has an investigation been completed yet. There is no reason to assume that Vick is either complettely innocent or guilty.

There are plenty of reasons to believe he may be complicit in this including his stellar history as a model citizen, his constant exhibition of possessing an incredibly high level of intelligence and it is HIS house, with his family living in it.

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

He will be in here to call you a racist in a matter of moments.

Nobody called you racist.

NaptownChief · 05-02-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

There are plenty of reasons to believe he may be complicit in this including his stellar history as a model citizen, his constant exhibition of possessing an incredibly high level of intelligence and it is HIS house, with his family living in it.

You are speaking to a wall....Mexico could be in his 14th NFL season and Garcia will still be holding out hope for him to finally have a breakout year.

NaptownChief · 05-02-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Nobody called you racist.

not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a nigger" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

Beantown Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

You are speaking to a wall....Mexico could be in his 14th NFL season and Garcia will still be holding out hope for him to finally have a breakout year.

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...

NaptownChief · 05-02-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...

And 3 or 4 more really poor coaches that just don't know how to utilize his greatness.

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Another 10 years of receivers dropping balls and running the wrong routes. What a tragedy...

Do you actually watch Falcon games? No...you don't. Plus this year he had Lelie out there out running his arm. think about that for a moment. Get Vick great coaching like Mike Shanahan or Kubiak and you'd have a QB further along. Problem with Vick is he didn't get good QB coaching in college and even with that he left too soon. Do you realize that he entered the NFL at 20? And who have been his coaches in that time? Dan Reeves and Jim Mora Jr. To this point in his career he is average at the QB position, but from a QB perspective...he's never had the coaching he needs IMO.

Garcia Bronco · 05-02-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a nigger" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

You knew/know exactly what I was talking about, because we have been round and round about this too many times to count...and really...every time this comes up the same people come out of the wood work.

Bladerunner · 05-02-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Do you actually watch Falcon games? No...you don't. Plus this year he had Lelie out there out running his arm. think about that for a moment. Get Vick great coaching like Mike Shanahan or Kubiak and you'd have a QB further along. Problem with Vick is he didn't get good QB coaching in college and even with that he left too soon. Do you realize that he entered the NFL at 20? And who have been his coaches in that time? Dan Reeves and Jim Mora Jr. To this point in his career he is average at the QB position, but from a QB perspective...he's never had the coaching he needs IMO.

I don't disagree with this...I don't think he has been coached all that well, and he has had some games where his receivers just totally let him down, but on the whole, his passing is really quite bad and while some of his play is justifiable for a young player under a rookie contract...it's not for the highest paid player in the league...it's not even close...

good on him for getting his duckets, but as an NFL QB, he's pretty bad...far be it from me, however, to tell the Falcons how to un-**** themselves

Rascal · 05-03-2007, 10:20 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

ATLANTA -- More than a week after an alleged dog-fighting ring was uncovered on property owned by Michael Vick, the Atlanta Falcons still have little to say about their quarterback's potential legal problems.

General manager Rich McKay vowed to take a closer look after wrapping up last weekend's NFL draft, but he has declined to speak further on the case.

Through spokesman Reggie Roberts, McKay and the Falcons declined comment Thursday.

Police conducting a drug investigation raided a Vick-owned house in Smithfield, Va., and reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated.

Investigators also discovered items associated with dog fighting, including veterinary supplies, blood-soaked carpeting, treadmills used for training and tools used to pry apart a dog's jaws.

Vick said he's never been to the home, even though he owns it and was letting a cousin live there. He blamed relatives for taking advantage of his generosity and vowed to keep closer tabs on his inner circle.

While Vick said he's not involved in dog fighting, a Web site shed light on his apparent interest in breeding through a business known as "Mike Vick K-9 Kennels."

The site, www.vicksk9kennels.com, said Vick specializes in breeding registered puppies ranging from rare pit bull terriers to "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario." It also contains a disclaimer that any of its dogs were used for fighting.

"We breed specifically for ourselves first and foremost, and when/if we do sell puppies to the public, all prospective buyers are carefully screened," the Web site says. "We do not promote, support, or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fighting.

"Our dogs are all family pets," the site adds, "and our puppies are all socialized and home raised."

The address for Vick's K-9 Kennel was listed as Moonlight Road in Suffolk, Va. The home that was raided last week is on Moonlight Road in nearby Smithfield. The listed phone number wasn't working.

For now, the Falcons seem willing to take Vick at his word. In the team's only public comments on the incident, McKay and coach Bobby Petrino both commended the quarterback for working hard in the offseason program.

"There's a lot of people around Michael, and things happen," McKay said last weekend during the draft. "We've got to get it to the point where those things are not happening."

The Falcons apparently want authorities to reveal more details on the investigation before they comment on Vick's possible involvement in the sordid case. Dog fighting in a felony in Virginia and 47 other states, according to The Humane Society of the United States.

Commonwealth's attorney Gerald Poindexter did not return two messages seeking comment Thursday. Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown was out of the office and a dispatcher said there was no one else who could talk about the case.

The NFL, which has cracked down on wayward players since Roger Goodell took over as commissioner, also was investigating the dog-fighting case. In fact, Vick was summoned to a meeting with Goodell last Saturday while in New York for the draft.

Vick has been involved in several embarrassing episodes in recent months.

He was fined for flashing an obscene gesture to heckling Atlanta fans after a game, was stopped by airport security officers in Miami carrying a suspicious water bottle and failed to show for a scheduled appearance on Capital Hill to lobby for more after-school funding.

ol number 7 · 05-03-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

not per se, but you tried to turn it into a race issue by saying "you have all but called him a nigger" when race wasn't even remotely an issue in the discussion.

Red eyed BOOT LIP is the word your looking for. Just trying to help. At least now that piece of DOG crap brotha Marcus is out of the NFL he can be a poop scoop for the kennel.

BigBad · 08-21-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dukes

For some reason, I have a gut feeling that nothing will happen to Vick over this. I hope I'm wrong

you were wrong!

TheDave · 08-21-2007, 12:04 PM

So where did Rascal run off to? Or did he eat the bad peanut butter also?

Paladin · 08-21-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

So where did Rascal run off to? Or did he eat the bad peanut butter also?

Not cute. Even remotely....

TDmvp · 08-21-2007, 01:29 PM

just posting to put my sig photo in vick threads .... carry on ...

TheDave · 08-21-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

Not cute. Even remotely....

People are to sensitive these days...

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05-02-2007, 01:32 PM	#152
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	One thing to note...under Virginia law, animal cruelty, ie; starvation, lack of water, etc...as opposed to something like torture or dissmemberment...is a missdemeanor not a felony...so one would suppose that unless they can produce some hard evidence that he 1) knew about it, 2) did more than sell the dogs, and 3) actually participated himself in dog fighting by running the business, funding it, or in some way managing it, he probably stands to be charged with missdemeanors. He'll have no problem affording lawyers who can easily tie this up in the courts indefinitely so while Goodell might jump in with a suspension, I can't see him missing the season because he's in jail. This will be two years before it even goes to court unless he goes with a public defender instead of real lawyers. My main question is why the feds are involved. This is a state felony if it's dog fighting...maybe they suspect some form of interstate commerce here. There has to be something like that or they wouldn't be involved.

05-03-2007, 10:20 PM	#169
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines ATLANTA -- More than a week after an alleged dog-fighting ring was uncovered on property owned by Michael Vick, the Atlanta Falcons still have little to say about their quarterback's potential legal problems. General manager Rich McKay vowed to take a closer look after wrapping up last weekend's NFL draft, but he has declined to speak further on the case. Through spokesman Reggie Roberts, McKay and the Falcons declined comment Thursday. Police conducting a drug investigation raided a Vick-owned house in Smithfield, Va., and reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated. Investigators also discovered items associated with dog fighting, including veterinary supplies, blood-soaked carpeting, treadmills used for training and tools used to pry apart a dog's jaws. Vick said he's never been to the home, even though he owns it and was letting a cousin live there. He blamed relatives for taking advantage of his generosity and vowed to keep closer tabs on his inner circle. While Vick said he's not involved in dog fighting, a Web site shed light on his apparent interest in breeding through a business known as "Mike Vick K-9 Kennels." The site, www.vicksk9kennels.com, said Vick specializes in breeding registered puppies ranging from rare pit bull terriers to "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario." It also contains a disclaimer that any of its dogs were used for fighting. "We breed specifically for ourselves first and foremost, and when/if we do sell puppies to the public, all prospective buyers are carefully screened," the Web site says. "We do not promote, support, or raise dogs for fighting and will not knowingly sell, give, or trade any dog that may be used for fighting. "Our dogs are all family pets," the site adds, "and our puppies are all socialized and home raised." The address for Vick's K-9 Kennel was listed as Moonlight Road in Suffolk, Va. The home that was raided last week is on Moonlight Road in nearby Smithfield. The listed phone number wasn't working. For now, the Falcons seem willing to take Vick at his word. In the team's only public comments on the incident, McKay and coach Bobby Petrino both commended the quarterback for working hard in the offseason program. "There's a lot of people around Michael, and things happen," McKay said last weekend during the draft. "We've got to get it to the point where those things are not happening." The Falcons apparently want authorities to reveal more details on the investigation before they comment on Vick's possible involvement in the sordid case. Dog fighting in a felony in Virginia and 47 other states, according to The Humane Society of the United States. Commonwealth's attorney Gerald Poindexter did not return two messages seeking comment Thursday. Surry County Sheriff Harold Brown was out of the office and a dispatcher said there was no one else who could talk about the case. The NFL, which has cracked down on wayward players since Roger Goodell took over as commissioner, also was investigating the dog-fighting case. In fact, Vick was summoned to a meeting with Goodell last Saturday while in New York for the draft. Vick has been involved in several embarrassing episodes in recent months. He was fined for flashing an obscene gesture to heckling Atlanta fans after a game, was stopped by airport security officers in Miami carrying a suspicious water bottle and failed to show for a scheduled appearance on Capital Hill to lobby for more after-school funding.

08-21-2007, 12:04 PM	#172
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	So where did Rascal run off to? Or did he eat the bad peanut butter also?

08-21-2007, 01:29 PM	#174
TDmvp Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,049	just posting to put my sig photo in vick threads .... carry on ...