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Old 07-02-2009, 04:11 PM   #1001
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I don't see a need if you know your carb intake is fully restricted <20 ... It'd be like a totally celibate woman buying a pregnancy test.

Think about the psychology of it .... if you're complying with the program, what's the point in checking? Strips are for people who cheat and fudge and wanna see if it's hurting them.
Anybody ...?

Nobody ... ?

Okay, cool.

But I thought there would've been some comment on that
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I've lost 10-12 this month, not bad I suppose ... though I'm hoping for some delayed reaction losses.

As I mentioned, there was alotta after-the-fact losses the first time I did Atkins ... and while it doesn't seem likely, is there any chance that switching back to a "normal" diet has some short-term accelerating affect on lypolisis/ketosis? I know that sounds like wishful thinking, but most of my losses came AFTER I stopped the diet, by about a 4-1 ratio actually
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Old 07-02-2009, 05:02 PM   #1003
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Anybody ...?

Nobody ... ?

Okay, cool.

But I thought there would've been some comment on that
No, you're right. It's almost as silly as needing a breathalyzer to check if you're drunk.

Sorry, I was just doing some sweet inflatable lobster jumps in the pool out back. Have awesome pics of it.
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I've lost 10-12 this month, not bad I suppose ... though I'm hoping for some delayed reaction losses.

As I mentioned, there was alotta after-the-fact losses the first time I did Atkins ... and while it doesn't seem likely, is there any chance that switching back to a "normal" diet has some short-term accelerating affect on lypolisis/ketosis? I know that sounds like wishful thinking, but most of my losses came AFTER I stopped the diet, by about a 4-1 ratio actually
Sheerly for fat loss. You will lose some muscle doing this, but it's nothing you can't gain back quickly. Most of strength is a muscle memory neural connection thing anyways:

Take your weight, multiply by 12. This is now your target caloric intake.
Eat six light, high protein meals a day. Use whey protein shakes as meal replacements. This will keep your metabolism high.
Before breakfast in the morning, walk (WALK, not run) for 45 minutes.
Do intense full body weight workouts 3 times a week.
The carbs you DO take in should be complex or fibruous and 80% should be consumed for breakfast or post work out.
Drink a lot of water.
2 cups of veggies a day.
Caffeine, green tea extract, and ephedra pills can boost your metabolism an extra 3% if necessary as well.
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No, you're right. It's almost as silly as needing a breathalyzer to check if you're drunk.

Sorry, I was just doing some sweet inflatable lobster jumps in the pool out back. Have awesome pics of it.
Aforementioned lobster jump:

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Old 07-03-2009, 09:18 PM   #1006
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Aforementioned lobster jump:

... you look a little like Josh McD in your avatar there ...
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... you look a little like Josh McD in your avatar there ...
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:43 PM   #1008
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I'm too lazy to search for it. Clayton, hook me up with a link to that velocity diet. I'm thinking about rocking that in August to see what I can see...
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That's it, I can't stands it no mo ....

Been on Atkins since June 2. Drank moderately maybe 6-8 days, cheated on the food part just one day, some watermelon and a hotdog bun.

I'm gonna give in to this craving and go get some Vanilla wafers ... RIGHT NOW!
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I've lost 10-12 this month, not bad I suppose ... though I'm hoping for some delayed reaction losses.

As I mentioned, there was alotta after-the-fact losses the first time I did Atkins ... and while it doesn't seem likely, is there any chance that switching back to a "normal" diet has some short-term accelerating affect on lypolisis/ketosis? I know that sounds like wishful thinking, but most of my losses came AFTER I stopped the diet, by about a 4-1 ratio actually
I keep tellin ya man, read that PDF I sent you. After two 12 days you can have carbs on the weekend which helps to replenish your glycogen levels, and cutting back on the protein during that time is said to help your body absorb and use it better come Monday.

Seriously, I love this low carb diet. I get all the weight loss (and then some) of the Atkins, but during the weekends I can hit the carbs and satisfy my cravings.
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I'm too lazy to search for it. Clayton, hook me up with a link to that velocity diet. I'm thinking about rocking that in August to see what I can see...
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_p...30?vdietNavTop
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For the past 7 months, I've really gotten into training with Kettlebells, and I've found really good results with it. Curious if anyone else has tried them.

I created this post about it in a different thread: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpos...6&postcount=27
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Old 07-05-2009, 10:32 PM   #1012
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Thanks. What did you lose in 30 days on this thing?
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I have kettle bells, but I haven't gotten serious about using them yet. I also have a sledge hammer with a sweatshirt tied around the head of it. Once I get to my goal weight, I'm going to start getting serious about using them regularly. One focus at a time though - and right now, that's the diet.
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I have kettle bells, but I haven't gotten serious about using them yet. I also have a sledge hammer with a sweatshirt tied around the head of it. Once I get to my goal weight, I'm going to start getting serious about using them regularly. One focus at a time though - and right now, that's the diet.
Right on about trying one thing at a time. I guess in my case I was trying the kettlebells first, see how far I can get with that, then move try changing my diet slowly. I don't take dieting lightly at all.

As for the KBs, I've almost worked my way through the Dragon Door ETK program... just a couple weeks away from completing it. I'll probably start V02 max training with the KB in a couple weeks.

If you want to try something really crazy sometime, try the workouts with an 1-1/2 Manilla rope in the Ropes Gone Wild program. Here's the website: http://www.artofstrength.com/ropes/ I've never seen anything get my heart rate up this quickly.
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20 in 30 ... really?

You have to punch in that data and it spits out a plan of some kind? It tries to sell you products I see, but apparently the diet plan is real, and works notwithstanding their products?
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And while I'm in here ... wtf are kettle bells?
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And while I'm in here ... wtf are kettle bells?
I put some links up in my earlier post.

But, for the short version, imagine a cannonball with a thick handle welded on (here's a picture: http://www.christiansfitnessfactory....-lb-Kettlebell ).

The weight is then used for hybrid olympic ballistic lifts: clean, snatch, etc. Unlike other types of weight training, the key here is to do as much work as possible in the shortest amount of time. You keep track of the total volume of the workout (example: 100 snatches in 5 minutes at 53 lbs... 5300 lbs total volume), and you avoid training to failure. It's great for cardiovascular training, as well as general strength training.

Here's a vid with a couple of the basic moves and a short workout: http://www.liftkettlebells.com/Video...l-Workout.aspx
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LOVE this guy.

Lot for people to learn in this thread:

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Hmmm... I'm sitting at about 200 right now, and I want to get down to 180. I'm trying to decide if I should shed the fat all the way down to 180, or start on a kettle bell routine and build muscle for two months and then try to cut down to 180. My instincts tell me to shed the fat first, and then bulk up, and then cut back down. I have a feeling that I'd get more dramatic results this way. I'm not interested in doing it fast. I don't care about speed. The only thing I care about is getting to an end result that I can be a little more than proud of.
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Hmmm... I'm sitting at about 200 right now, and I want to get down to 180. I'm trying to decide if I should shed the fat all the way down to 180, or start on a kettle bell routine and build muscle for two months and then try to cut down to 180. My instincts tell me to shed the fat first, and then bulk up, and then cut back down. I have a feeling that I'd get more dramatic results this way. I'm not interested in doing it fast. I don't care about speed. The only thing I care about is getting to an end result that I can be a little more than proud of.
I think the consensus is to bulk up to around 15% above your target weight then shred back down, so I'd say you've got the right idea.
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I think the consensus is to bulk up to around 15% above your target weight then shred back down, so I'd say you've got the right idea.
"Shred back down" ... sounds cool.
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"Shred back down" ... sounds cool.
It is, when you get to that stage. Sadly, I am not at that stage yet. I still got a ways to go.
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It is, when you get to that stage. Sadly, I am not at that stage yet. I still got a ways to go.
Just my opinion, but a good part of that reason is not eating carbs...

I can't imagine a bulk without carbs. I'm not even sure I could add any strength or size without them.
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Just my opinion, but a good part of that reason is not eating carbs...
I'm still in the weight loss phase, dropping about 5-7lbs a week which is actually above average compared to the people I know who went on this before me.

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Even on this diet, you do have to increase the carbs some during those phases.
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