Best Defender in the NFL per ESPN - The Orange Mane

ChampBailey24 · 04-02-2007, 03:18 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...t&lid=tab5pos1

drail 24 48 · 04-02-2007, 03:36 PM

Champ Bailey, #24!!! Hands Down!!!

Kaylore · 04-02-2007, 03:38 PM

That's a good read. Surprised that Jason Taylor only got one nod from the "experts." Odd considering he won the thing last year.

That One Guy · 04-02-2007, 03:42 PM

I was pretty suprised at someone's comment on there about Champ playing the "sexier" position over one of the DEs. It seems to me that DEs get a lot more love than CBs... As Kaylore just pointed out even, Champ gets the most votes on there yet the DE won the DPOY.

Garcia Bronco · 04-02-2007, 03:45 PM

HITF can you claim this

John Clayton: Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has emerged as the game's best defender last season.

When this happened and why:

Merriman was suspended for four games last season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy

Kaylore · 04-02-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

HITF can you claim this

John Clayton: Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has emerged as the game's best defender last season.

When this happened and why:

Merriman was suspended for four games last season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy

I think he's just saying that Merriman on steroids is better than these other guys not on steroids.

Popcorn Sutton · 04-02-2007, 03:57 PM

Was Merroidman as dominate in college? Sorry for the ignorance but I didn't think he was...

fontaine · 04-02-2007, 04:01 PM

Man we need to get Champ a ring before it's all said and done!

Popcorn Sutton · 04-02-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

HITF can you claim this

John Clayton: Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has emerged as the game's best defender last season.

When this happened and why:

Merriman was suspended for four games last season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy

Garcia Bronco · 04-02-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew

Was Merroidman as dominate in college? Sorry for the ignorance but I didn't think he was...

No he wasn't.

Garcia Bronco · 04-02-2007, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I think he's just saying that Merriman on steroids is better than these other guys not on steroids.

c_lazy_r · 04-02-2007, 04:12 PM

Anybody else notice that Champ had more tackles than any of these other "best players". Pretty amazing guy.

Rohirrim · 04-02-2007, 04:12 PM

"I'm from the planet Zeldon."

Kaylore · 04-02-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

"I'm from the planet Zeldon."

Actually I think he's a Talosian.

defenseman · 04-02-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrewCrew

Was Merroidman as dominate in college? Sorry for the ignorance but I didn't think he was...

Roid boy is nothing more than a POS, and a cheater to boot. Stow it pal..dman

Xenos · 04-02-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

No he wasn't.

He was dominant in his rookie year when he didn't test positive. And he was just as dominant after the four week suspension. The positive test took place in August.
Call me a homer, but I don't believe he actually took steroids knowingly. Why? Because there's so many other drugs that you can take to get around the system such as HGH. If anything he was suspended because he didn't make sure that whatever he was taking didn't violate the NFL policy.

That being said, Champ plays in the harder position so I concede the fact that he is the better defender.

Xenos · 04-02-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by c_lazy_r

Anybody else notice that Champ had more tackles than any of these other "best players". Pretty amazing guy.

Someone like Merriman isn't going to get as many tackles as Champ simply because of their different positions. It's like me saying Merriman is better because he has more sacks than Champ.

BigBad · 04-02-2007, 04:51 PM

Weak stuff guys!

Merriman may have been busted but he was still a force AFTER the suspension and MORE drug tests.

Sorry you are going to have to deal with him for a while longer.

I do give props to Champ though. He is without question one of the best NFL players out there.

Kaylore · 04-02-2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenos

Someone like Merriman isn't going to get as many tackles as Champ simply because of their different positions. It's like me saying Merriman is better because he has more sacks than Champ.

Yeah, because we all know linebackers don't get a lot of tackles and corners do...oh wait...

Bob's your Information Minister · 04-02-2007, 04:58 PM

Champ gets the nod solely because he's surrounded by **** talent. The Chargers are loaded in comparison.

Inkana7 · 04-02-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Champ gets the nod solely because he's surrounded by **** talent. The Chargers are loaded in comparison.

Thank you for your opinion. Carry on, now.

Garcia Bronco · 04-02-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenos

He was dominant in his rookie year when he didn't test positive. And he was just as dominant after the four week suspension. The positive test took place in August.
Call me a homer, but I don't believe he actually took steroids knowingly. Why? Because there's so many other drugs that you can take to get around the system such as HGH. If anything he was suspended because he didn't make sure that whatever he was taking didn't violate the NFL policy.

That being said, Champ plays in the harder position so I concede the fact that he is the better defender.

He was juicing in the off-season and it wasn't out of his system when he got tested. Unless you are arguing he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. With millions at stake, it would be foolish not make sure what's in his body and what he's taking is legit. Further more, what he was taking is not banned. IIRC, many other players take it...so the idea that he got the one bad sample is ridiculous.

He's cheated pure and simple...but he's smart in the sense that he takes in the off-season and not during the season.

Personally I think these guys should take what they want and drop dead for it, but I am not the decision maker on that.

BigBad · 04-02-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Champ gets the nod solely because he's surrounded by **** talent. The Chargers are loaded in comparison.

Would agree there.

Remember when you guys thought Derrick Johnson was going to be as good as Merriman.

Popcorn Sutton · 04-02-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBad

Merriman may have been busted but he was still a force AFTER the suspension and MORE drug tests.

I just don't understand how he can get 17.5 sacks in 12 games in the NFL and he was never anywhere near that in college. He's hopped up on something... testosterone levels through the roof.

I love it when people say he didn't knowingly take steroids. In order to get the 4 game suspension... didn't he have to fail more than one test?

Kaylore · 04-02-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Champ gets the nod solely because he's surrounded by **** talent. The Chargers are loaded in comparison.

So using this line of thinking, with all those much crappier players for offenses to pick on, so many easier players to attack than Champ, he still lead the league in interceptions and was runner up for DPY. You basically made Champ look even better.

And you're an honor-less b****.

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04-02-2007, 03:36 PM	#2
drail 24 48 The IRON MAN Cometh!!!!!! Dominating D, Overwhelming O!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 72	Champ Bailey, #24!!! Hands Down!!!

04-02-2007, 03:38 PM	#3
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,009 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	That's a good read. Surprised that Jason Taylor only got one nod from the "experts." Odd considering he won the thing last year.

04-02-2007, 03:42 PM	#4
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I was pretty suprised at someone's comment on there about Champ playing the "sexier" position over one of the DEs. It seems to me that DEs get a lot more love than CBs... As Kaylore just pointed out even, Champ gets the most votes on there yet the DE won the DPOY.

04-02-2007, 03:45 PM	#5
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	HITF can you claim this John Clayton: Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman has emerged as the game's best defender last season. When this happened and why: Merriman was suspended for four games last season for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy

04-02-2007, 03:57 PM	#7
Popcorn Sutton Ring of Famer Don't mess with Popcorn Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Who cares Posts: 3,757 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jacob Tamme	Was Merroidman as dominate in college? Sorry for the ignorance but I didn't think he was...

04-02-2007, 04:01 PM	#8
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,422	Man we need to get Champ a ring before it's all said and done!

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c_lazy_r Speak Softly and... Carry a Big Stick Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Miles City, Montana Posts: 1,097 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bobby Humphrey	Anybody else notice that Champ had more tackles than any of these other "best players". Pretty amazing guy.

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,791	"I'm from the planet Zeldon."

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BigBad Donk Hater Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 496	Weak stuff guys! Merriman may have been busted but he was still a force AFTER the suspension and MORE drug tests. Sorry you are going to have to deal with him for a while longer. I do give props to Champ though. He is without question one of the best NFL players out there.

04-02-2007, 04:58 PM	#20
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Champ gets the nod solely because he's surrounded by **** talent. The Chargers are loaded in comparison.