Broncos should try to trade down with Bears - The Orange Mane

Barry Ramey · 04-01-2007, 11:42 PM

The Bears have the #31 pick and the #37 pick and the Broncos could still end up with a guy they want at #31. Of course that depends if the Bears really want someone at #21 they don't think will be there at their first pick.

Broncos would have 5 picks the first day. It would also be good if maybe they could get a 4th rounder from some team, maybe offer both 4th rounders they have in 2008 or something like that.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-01-2007, 11:48 PM

Assuming the Broncos think their guy will be at 31, I could would like that trade, but I would not trade a pick from next year for a mid round pick this year. Next years draft will be much stronger. Remember, this is the year after the CBA scare when almost every Junior with any credintials came out in last years draft. That is one of the reasons why last year's draft was so good for the Broncs. It was good for almost everyone.

Hercules Rockefeller · 04-02-2007, 12:12 AM

Don't know why people so want to load up on picks this year, it's nothing more than an average draft. Giving away both 4ths next year for one this year is short-sighted.

-Slap- · 04-02-2007, 12:34 AM

The intial idea of dealing 21 for 31 and 37 sounds pretty good.

Broncojef · 04-02-2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

The Bears have the #31 pick and the #37 pick and the Broncos could still end up with a guy they want at #31. Of course that depends if the Bears really want someone at #21 they don't think will be there at their first pick.

Broncos would have 5 picks the first day. It would also be good if maybe they could get a 4th rounder from some team, maybe offer both 4th rounders they have in 2008 or something like that.

No thanks we don't need more picks. Get a couple of studs that can be an impact and be done with it.

SureShot · 04-02-2007, 01:20 AM

I hoping we move up and get a bad ass defender who can start right away and contribute.

NFLBRONCO · 04-02-2007, 02:20 AM

We could use a DE DT S OT LB this offseason. I think we can fill our needs staying put or moving down this year. Even though this draft might be average it is strong in our biggest need areas. Lets save a move up for 08 maybe then we will only have 1 or 2 glaring needs.

Drek · 04-02-2007, 04:05 AM

If the Bears are stupid enough to give a late first and early second for a later middle first then hell yeah, but they won't.

Try more like #21, and #56 for #31, #37, and a 2nd day pick, probably a late one.

And no smart team should ever trade multiple future picks just to get a mid-rounder.

People seem to forget that we have over 70 guys already on contract. The FO isn't looking to add a lot more guys to the team, they want quality players. Thats why we have about $10M in cap room freed up and are looking to move Wilson, freeing up more cap long term. We're going to be players in dealing for veterans, I'm assuming along the DL, and trading up should guys we view as worth it start to slide.

Elway777 · 04-02-2007, 07:16 AM

What about trading our 21 pick for the 31 pick and a 3 and 7 round picks .Charle Johnson wound be the target in the trade down .

BombsOverBaghdad · 04-02-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Drek

If the Bears are stupid enough to give a late first and early second for a later middle first then hell yeah, but they won't.

Try more like #21, and #56 for #31, #37, and a 2nd day pick, probably a late one.

And no smart team should ever trade multiple future picks just to get a mid-rounder.

People seem to forget that we have over 70 guys already on contract. The FO isn't looking to add a lot more guys to the team, they want quality players. Thats why we have about $10M in cap room freed up and are looking to move Wilson, freeing up more cap long term. We're going to be players in dealing for veterans, I'm assuming along the DL, and trading up should guys we view as worth it start to slide.

I agree with Drek's take (although, I think that #21 and one of our #3's, might get us #31 & #37).
Assuming we will not be able to trade up to a top 8 picks position; I am a proponent of trading down and loading up on second round picks. A few reasons why: a) I see little difference in the quality of player from 13 to 55; and b) there are many quality choices available that fit our needs -- DL, OL, & S.

Broncojef · 04-02-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

We could use a DE DT S OT LB this offseason. I think we can fill our needs staying put or moving down this year. Even though this draft might be average it is strong in our biggest need areas. Lets save a move up for 08 maybe then we will only have 1 or 2 glaring needs.

I'd be happy with one quality DT and one quality DE myself.

Drek · 04-02-2007, 09:41 AM

What we should be doing if we believe the guy we want will slide to the late first/early second is parlaying #21 into an '08 first along with a late 2nd/early 3rd and a 4th. Then get very agressive with our seconds and thirds to manuever for the guys we really want.

We don't need a ton of guys from this draft and we can't fit them on the roster without cutting other solid players. We need a handful of quality guys, we can do that while also setting ourselves up for a great '08 draft.

Rascal · 04-02-2007, 10:32 AM

I think it's more likely we will be trading up then back especially considering the amount of players on contract (70 or something) and that this draft is considered average.

mattob14 · 04-02-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Drek

What we should be doing if we believe the guy we want will slide to the late first/early second is parlaying #21 into an '08 first along with a late 2nd/early 3rd and a 4th. Then get very agressive with our seconds and thirds to manuever for the guys we really want.

We don't need a ton of guys from this draft and we can't fit them on the roster without cutting other solid players. We need a handful of quality guys, we can do that while also setting ourselves up for a great '08 draft.

You're preaching to the choir. If we could turn our 1st and 2nd into Jarvis Moss/Reggie Nelson and a 1st next year, it'd be an incredible offseason.

NFLBRONCO · 04-02-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncojef

I'd be happy with one quality DT and one quality DE myself.

I just want to come out with a DE DT S day 1 however we do it.

Carmelo15 · 04-02-2007, 04:58 PM

All you have to do is use the Draft Value Chart to determine what it would take to get the Bears to part with #31 and #37. It is easy to figure out that it would take #21 and #56. So thats what it would take and personally I would do it. It gives us better quality and we dont give up quantity. Theres a much bigger gap in talent between 37 and 56 than there is between 21 and 31. Personally I'd like to see us pick up Jon Beason and Brandon Meriweather with 31 and 37 and then go D-line in round 3 like Marcus Thomas and Dan Bazuin.

Hercules Rockefeller · 04-02-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmelo15

All you have to do is use the Draft Value Chart

I stopped reading after that

SonOfLe-loLang · 04-04-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Don't know why people so want to load up on picks this year, it's nothing more than an average draft. Giving away both 4ths next year for one this year is short-sighted.

In the NFL, there is no such thing as an "average draft" Useful parts are CONSTANTLY found in later rounds of a draft. It's not like the NBA where its rare to find good players beyond the first 15 picks. Football is such an idiosyncratic game of nuance where some peoples trash are constantly others treasures...I think stockpiling picks, IN ANY DRAFT, is a good idea.

cmhargrove · 04-04-2007, 05:26 PM

I think using second day picks to upgrade our first day picks is the better idea. Use our fourth and two sixth rounders to move up in the first and second rounds.

Get the d-linemen that will help up in the mid first, mid second, early and late third.

Hopefully that is something like DT, DE, S, and DE.

NFLBRONCO · 04-04-2007, 05:44 PM

We only have 2 6th's and a 7th on day 2.

mattob14 · 04-04-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

In the NFL, there is no such thing as an "average draft" Useful parts are CONSTANTLY found in later rounds of a draft. It's not like the NBA where its rare to find good players beyond the first 15 picks. Football is such an idiosyncratic game of nuance where some peoples trash are constantly others treasures...I think stockpiling picks, IN ANY DRAFT, is a good idea.

Stockpiling picks is fine, but don't trade away future picks to do it. If the right player is available and you have to trade the future picks to make the move, so be it, but don't trade two 4ths in a stronger draft next year for a single 4th without a specific target in mind, especially when most people feel we don't have room for more than 5-6 rookies this year.

azbroncfan · 04-04-2007, 08:21 PM

Bears already proved they have no want in trading up.

04-01-2007, 11:42 PM	#1
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	Broncos should try to trade down with Bears The Bears have the #31 pick and the #37 pick and the Broncos could still end up with a guy they want at #31. Of course that depends if the Bears really want someone at #21 they don't think will be there at their first pick. Broncos would have 5 picks the first day. It would also be good if maybe they could get a 4th rounder from some team, maybe offer both 4th rounders they have in 2008 or something like that.

04-02-2007, 02:20 AM	#7
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	We could use a DE DT S OT LB this offseason. I think we can fill our needs staying put or moving down this year. Even though this draft might be average it is strong in our biggest need areas. Lets save a move up for 08 maybe then we will only have 1 or 2 glaring needs. Last edited by NFLBRONCO; 04-02-2007 at 02:52 AM..

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04-01-2007, 11:48 PM	#2
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Assuming the Broncos think their guy will be at 31, I could would like that trade, but I would not trade a pick from next year for a mid round pick this year. Next years draft will be much stronger. Remember, this is the year after the CBA scare when almost every Junior with any credintials came out in last years draft. That is one of the reasons why last year's draft was so good for the Broncs. It was good for almost everyone.

04-02-2007, 12:12 AM	#3
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	Don't know why people so want to load up on picks this year, it's nothing more than an average draft. Giving away both 4ths next year for one this year is short-sighted.

04-02-2007, 12:34 AM	#4
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	The intial idea of dealing 21 for 31 and 37 sounds pretty good.

04-02-2007, 01:20 AM	#6
SureShot Te-believer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Paradise Divide Posts: 5,996 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Russell	I hoping we move up and get a bad ass defender who can start right away and contribute.

04-02-2007, 04:05 AM	#8
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	If the Bears are stupid enough to give a late first and early second for a later middle first then hell yeah, but they won't. Try more like #21, and #56 for #31, #37, and a 2nd day pick, probably a late one. And no smart team should ever trade multiple future picks just to get a mid-rounder. People seem to forget that we have over 70 guys already on contract. The FO isn't looking to add a lot more guys to the team, they want quality players. Thats why we have about $10M in cap room freed up and are looking to move Wilson, freeing up more cap long term. We're going to be players in dealing for veterans, I'm assuming along the DL, and trading up should guys we view as worth it start to slide.

04-02-2007, 07:16 AM	#9
Elway777 Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,886	What about trading our 21 pick for the 31 pick and a 3 and 7 round picks .Charle Johnson wound be the target in the trade down .

04-02-2007, 09:41 AM	#12
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,315	What we should be doing if we believe the guy we want will slide to the late first/early second is parlaying #21 into an '08 first along with a late 2nd/early 3rd and a 4th. Then get very agressive with our seconds and thirds to manuever for the guys we really want. We don't need a ton of guys from this draft and we can't fit them on the roster without cutting other solid players. We need a handful of quality guys, we can do that while also setting ourselves up for a great '08 draft.

04-02-2007, 10:32 AM	#13
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	I think it's more likely we will be trading up then back especially considering the amount of players on contract (70 or something) and that this draft is considered average.

04-02-2007, 04:58 PM	#16
Carmelo15 Chauncey! Jeyton Mannway Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 885 Adopt-a-Bronco: Omar Bolden	All you have to do is use the Draft Value Chart to determine what it would take to get the Bears to part with #31 and #37. It is easy to figure out that it would take #21 and #56. So thats what it would take and personally I would do it. It gives us better quality and we dont give up quantity. Theres a much bigger gap in talent between 37 and 56 than there is between 21 and 31. Personally I'd like to see us pick up Jon Beason and Brandon Meriweather with 31 and 37 and then go D-line in round 3 like Marcus Thomas and Dan Bazuin.

04-04-2007, 05:26 PM	#19
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	I think using second day picks to upgrade our first day picks is the better idea. Use our fourth and two sixth rounders to move up in the first and second rounds. Get the d-linemen that will help up in the mid first, mid second, early and late third. Hopefully that is something like DT, DE, S, and DE.

04-04-2007, 05:44 PM	#20
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	We only have 2 6th's and a 7th on day 2.

04-04-2007, 08:21 PM	#22
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Bears already proved they have no want in trading up.