Rebuild the D - The Orange Mane

mattob14 · 03-31-2007, 03:23 PM

I may be reading too many of Mediator12's posts, but this really seems like the year to rebuild the D through the draft. Here's my ideal draft, with two trades:

First, keep Al Wilson. Move him to SAM if needed and let him help DJ transition to MLB.

Trades:
1. Trade our 2nd (#60) for a high 4th and a 2nd next year.
2. Package Stephan Alexander and our 3 2nd day picks for an early-mid 4th.

Draft:
1. Jarvis Moss- Tall, rangy pass-rusher with room to grow. A great fit for the new D.

3a. Dan Bazuin- Another pass-rusher for Bates, he was extremely productive in college and would make a nice bookend for Moss. Denver would have the ends they need to run the new scheme.

3b. Josh Gattis- Good size, speed, and athleticism, he can contribute against the run, in pass coverage and on special teams. I like Wendling here, too, but in the end I think Gattis will make more plays in coverage.

4a. Quincy Black- Very fast and athletic, he also weighs 240+. Let him learn from Wilson and Gold for a year before starting next season. He's another guy who can contribute on special teams.

4b. Paul Soliai- A huge DT who can tie up blockers inside. It might take him a year or two to develop, but he could be a force.

Adding these five fills all of the major needs on defense and helps the special teams, as well. I wanted to add a WR or OT, but would rather have the extra pick next year, when the OT class is stronger. I feel next year will be a bit of a down year with the change in defensive schemes and the youth on offense. Denver will probably be picking in the high teens and could package that with the extra 2nd to move into the top-10 for a top LT prospect. That would leave a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, a 5th, 6th, and two 7ths to fill out the depth and set up a very bright future in 2008 and beyond.

chaz · 03-31-2007, 06:03 PM

what is the point in trading away the second rounder?? dont really like either of the trades...alexander and three picks for a fourth rounder?? we could use those to build more oline depth, just like we usually do. plus how many pash rush specialists do you think this team needs? i think spending 21 on pass rush solves that problem and then leave it alone...build depth at DT.

chaz · 03-31-2007, 06:04 PM

came off really negative in my post....i actually liked a lot of your picks, i just didnt mention that...mostly good stuff, love the solai and black picks

mattob14 · 03-31-2007, 06:19 PM

I really think we need two DE's and the depth there this year is just too good to pass up. As for trading the 2nd rounder, I really like Soliai better than any of the DT's in the 2nd-3rd range and I'd rather have the ammunition to move up next year for a top OT. The 2nd trade was based more on my opinion of Black and Soliai. Both could be excellent players in a couple of years and I'd rather have them than a couple of late round lineman (we really don't have room on the roster for more than one OT right now).

Bob · 03-31-2007, 07:19 PM

Where is the safety -- Is that the Josh Guy?

27atwater · 03-31-2007, 09:24 PM

I'm no Longhorns fan, but I'd be cool w/ an almost all Texas Day 1.
1-Michael Griffin, S, Texas
2-Tim Crowder, DE, Texas...if we have to trade up a few spots, so be it.
3a-Brian Robison, DE/OLB, Texas...he could fit in either spot. I'd love to try him at OLB and slide DJ inside. Worst case, he is great on special teams.
3b-John Wendling, S, Wyoming...yes, i think we'll need 2 safeties to be ready for '08.
5-Paul Soliai, DT, Utah...If we need to move up to get him, do it. Dude has been on my radar for months. MONSTER who will keep the OL off of our smurfs.
Then a returnman like Steve Breaston or Ryne Robinson.

watermock · 03-31-2007, 10:04 PM

I like that alot better, but I still have a man crush on Antonio Pittman...Nothing like the Man Love I have for Griffin tho. Going to have to move up in the second for Pittman tho.

After that, spend all 3rd rounders on DL.

mattob14 · 03-31-2007, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob

Where is the safety -- Is that the Josh Guy?

Yep, Gattis is a Safety from Wake Forest.

PRBronco · 03-31-2007, 10:12 PM

Fun read, I don't like the idea of AW at sam though, he gets wiped by blockers enough as it is. There's several late round prospects this year who a prototype sams, i'd like to see us get one. Also, even though he's not quite as big as a typical sam, i really like tim shaw out of penn state.

eddie mac · 03-31-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

I like that alot better, but I still have a man crush on Antonio Pittman...Nothing like the Man Love I have for Griffin tho. Going to have to move up in the second for Pittman tho.

After that, spend all 3rd rounders on DL.

Forget your mancrush Mock cos we aint drafting a RB this year.

elsid13 · 04-01-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie mac

Forget your mancrush Mock cos we aint drafting a RB this year.

Never say Never with Denver. I expect that come the 6 round they might take a flyer on RB. It not like Cobbs has shown he should stay on the roster.

On the roster for next year - I see three (3) locks - Henry, MBell and Sapp. That leaves two to three slots open for competition. I know KG is out there, but I don't think he a lock to make the roster.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 04-01-2007, 11:48 AM

Remember - Thie first words out of Shanhan's mouth at every press session has been that they must get the offense back into the tope 5 in the NFL. Not all of the coming moves including the draft will be defense.

mattob14 · 04-01-2007, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Remember - Thie first words out of Shanhan's mouth at every press session has been that they must get the offense back into the tope 5 in the NFL. Not all of the coming moves including the draft will be defense.

I'm sure we'll end up with a couple of offensive players, but if it was up to me, I'd concentrate on D. I don't see any offensive needs right now beyond a WR and an OT, and like I said earlier, I'd rather wait for an OT next year.

cabronco · 04-01-2007, 01:33 PM

I got these off another board, but I like all the picks. I wouldnt be disappointed with Griffin at 21 either.

21. Denver Broncos: Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida
Other options: Chris Houston, Michael Griffin and Ted Ginn Jr.
56. Denver Broncos: John Wendling, SS, Wyoming
Other options: Jonathan Wade and Quentin Moses
70. Denver Broncos: Marcus Thomas, DT, Florida
Other options: Brandon Mebane and Tanard Jackson
87. Denver Broncos: Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois
Other options: Fred Bennett, Justin Durant and Tim Shaw

27atwater · 04-01-2007, 01:44 PM

switch wendling for weddle and I'd be OK w/ that. I like Free.

cabronco · 04-01-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 27atwater

switch wendling for weddle and I'd be OK w/ that. I like Free.

Ya , after researching it , I would have to agree on taking Wendling instead. Even though Weddle looks to have more versatility in playing different positions including punt & kick off return man, scout.com has him listed as a corner. Wendling has the tools to be a big strong safety for us. He's physical with good size and speed. Fixed that.

chaz · 04-02-2007, 02:48 PM

i really hope shanahan has talked with him and feels good enough to take a flyer on marcus thomas--so much talent and he is huge...pair him with solai on the second day...move over big money

nickademus · 04-02-2007, 07:15 PM

At 21 I would be happy with either Griffen or Cariker either way it seems like an imeadiate upgrade. in round 2 I think you look to see who fell and who is available. that said DT should be the pick some one like Crowder out of Texas or even Johnson out of Georgia I think depending on the first the first third round pick will belong to the oppsite. I like the S from wyoming alot. if these pick happened I will pop a cold one and call it a happy draft.

cabronco · 04-03-2007, 12:01 AM

It may be wishful thinking that Doug Free will be there for us at 87. I will keep my fingers crossed and the hot line to Shanny open.

03-31-2007, 03:23 PM	#1
mattob14 Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 876 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Rebuild the D I may be reading too many of Mediator12's posts, but this really seems like the year to rebuild the D through the draft. Here's my ideal draft, with two trades: First, keep Al Wilson. Move him to SAM if needed and let him help DJ transition to MLB. Trades: 1. Trade our 2nd (#60) for a high 4th and a 2nd next year. 2. Package Stephan Alexander and our 3 2nd day picks for an early-mid 4th. Draft: 1. Jarvis Moss- Tall, rangy pass-rusher with room to grow. A great fit for the new D. 3a. Dan Bazuin- Another pass-rusher for Bates, he was extremely productive in college and would make a nice bookend for Moss. Denver would have the ends they need to run the new scheme. 3b. Josh Gattis- Good size, speed, and athleticism, he can contribute against the run, in pass coverage and on special teams. I like Wendling here, too, but in the end I think Gattis will make more plays in coverage. 4a. Quincy Black- Very fast and athletic, he also weighs 240+. Let him learn from Wilson and Gold for a year before starting next season. He's another guy who can contribute on special teams. 4b. Paul Soliai- A huge DT who can tie up blockers inside. It might take him a year or two to develop, but he could be a force. Adding these five fills all of the major needs on defense and helps the special teams, as well. I wanted to add a WR or OT, but would rather have the extra pick next year, when the OT class is stronger. I feel next year will be a bit of a down year with the change in defensive schemes and the youth on offense. Denver will probably be picking in the high teens and could package that with the extra 2nd to move into the top-10 for a top LT prospect. That would leave a 2nd, 3rd, two 4ths, a 5th, 6th, and two 7ths to fill out the depth and set up a very bright future in 2008 and beyond.

04-01-2007, 01:33 PM	#14
cabronco Fish & Chips PFM Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 5,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: wth happened	I got these off another board, but I like all the picks. I wouldnt be disappointed with Griffin at 21 either. 21. Denver Broncos: Jarvis Moss, DE, Florida Other options: Chris Houston, Michael Griffin and Ted Ginn Jr. 56. Denver Broncos: John Wendling, SS, Wyoming Other options: Jonathan Wade and Quentin Moses 70. Denver Broncos: Marcus Thomas, DT, Florida Other options: Brandon Mebane and Tanard Jackson 87. Denver Broncos: Doug Free, OT, Northern Illinois Other options: Fred Bennett, Justin Durant and Tim Shaw Last edited by cabronco; 04-01-2007 at 02:50 PM..

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03-31-2007, 06:03 PM	#2
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	what is the point in trading away the second rounder?? dont really like either of the trades...alexander and three picks for a fourth rounder?? we could use those to build more oline depth, just like we usually do. plus how many pash rush specialists do you think this team needs? i think spending 21 on pass rush solves that problem and then leave it alone...build depth at DT.

03-31-2007, 06:04 PM	#3
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	came off really negative in my post....i actually liked a lot of your picks, i just didnt mention that...mostly good stuff, love the solai and black picks

03-31-2007, 06:19 PM	#4
mattob14 Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 876 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I really think we need two DE's and the depth there this year is just too good to pass up. As for trading the 2nd rounder, I really like Soliai better than any of the DT's in the 2nd-3rd range and I'd rather have the ammunition to move up next year for a top OT. The 2nd trade was based more on my opinion of Black and Soliai. Both could be excellent players in a couple of years and I'd rather have them than a couple of late round lineman (we really don't have room on the roster for more than one OT right now).

03-31-2007, 07:19 PM	#5
Bob Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,330	Where is the safety -- Is that the Josh Guy?

03-31-2007, 09:24 PM	#6
27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	I'm no Longhorns fan, but I'd be cool w/ an almost all Texas Day 1. 1-Michael Griffin, S, Texas 2-Tim Crowder, DE, Texas...if we have to trade up a few spots, so be it. 3a-Brian Robison, DE/OLB, Texas...he could fit in either spot. I'd love to try him at OLB and slide DJ inside. Worst case, he is great on special teams. 3b-John Wendling, S, Wyoming...yes, i think we'll need 2 safeties to be ready for '08. 5-Paul Soliai, DT, Utah...If we need to move up to get him, do it. Dude has been on my radar for months. MONSTER who will keep the OL off of our smurfs. Then a returnman like Steve Breaston or Ryne Robinson.

03-31-2007, 10:04 PM	#7
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I like that alot better, but I still have a man crush on Antonio Pittman...Nothing like the Man Love I have for Griffin tho. Going to have to move up in the second for Pittman tho. After that, spend all 3rd rounders on DL.

03-31-2007, 10:12 PM	#9
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	Fun read, I don't like the idea of AW at sam though, he gets wiped by blockers enough as it is. There's several late round prospects this year who a prototype sams, i'd like to see us get one. Also, even though he's not quite as big as a typical sam, i really like tim shaw out of penn state.

04-01-2007, 11:48 AM	#12
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Remember - Thie first words out of Shanhan's mouth at every press session has been that they must get the offense back into the tope 5 in the NFL. Not all of the coming moves including the draft will be defense.

04-01-2007, 01:44 PM	#15
27atwater THANK U! sphincter says "what"? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sharon, Pa Posts: 1,594	switch wendling for weddle and I'd be OK w/ that. I like Free.

04-02-2007, 02:48 PM	#17
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	i really hope shanahan has talked with him and feels good enough to take a flyer on marcus thomas--so much talent and he is huge...pair him with solai on the second day...move over big money

04-02-2007, 07:15 PM	#18
nickademus Samurai of Smack Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,105 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	At 21 I would be happy with either Griffen or Cariker either way it seems like an imeadiate upgrade. in round 2 I think you look to see who fell and who is available. that said DT should be the pick some one like Crowder out of Texas or even Johnson out of Georgia I think depending on the first the first third round pick will belong to the oppsite. I like the S from wyoming alot. if these pick happened I will pop a cold one and call it a happy draft.

04-03-2007, 12:01 AM	#19
cabronco Fish & Chips PFM Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 5,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: wth happened	It may be wishful thinking that Doug Free will be there for us at 87. I will keep my fingers crossed and the hot line to Shanny open.