Sweet Jesus we have a damn pass rush already!

[TheReverend]

Sorry for the long title but for christ's sake give it a rest. Lang and Ekuban weren't slouches posting 6 and 7 sacks respectively. Then, we have one of the premier young pass rushers in the league with Dumervil, who in one limited season, posted 8.5 sacks, 1 FF, and 3 FR... made even more amazing considering the defense tackle experiment that waste of genetics, Larry Coyer, put him through. All this under a coordinator that wasted passing downs playing them at read fronts, covering flats and slants, or just god awful stunts that took 5 minutes to develop. Don't forget that Dumervil is Bates' type... a fast, pass rushing DE that he can split wide and set to attack.

Bates also employs a more "in your face" bump and run cover, which will cost the timing of routes a few seconds and buy more time for our ends to crush the pocket, as opposed to the famed Larry Coyer "play 10-15 yards off and give up the first down Darrent (RIP)" approach.

Will I be surprised if we draft DL round 1? No. But I won't be surprised if we draft WR, S, or OT either. Frankly, can anyone really be surprised by anything this far into the Sunquist/Shannahan draft tenure?

Everyone try to settle down, look at the beautiful off-season that's happened so far... huge player acquisitions, and even greater coaching ones, and let Bates pick his toys that he has to play with. Sweet dreams of Lombardi trophies.

[TheDave]

If we don't draft a D-Lineman in the 1st 2 rounds this year I'm going to make O4L's meltdown look tame

[BlaK-Argentina]

Originally Posted by TheDave

If we don't draft a D-Lineman in the 1st 2 rounds this year I'm going to make O4L's meltdown look tame

Where the heck is Jake (O4L) anyway?

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TheDave

If we don't draft a D-Lineman in the 1st 2 rounds this year I'm going to make O4L's meltdown look tame

Just answer this... what, specifically, do you want out of a new D-lineman?

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Just answer this... what, specifically, do you want out of a new D-lineman?

Great, run-stuffing interior play.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Just answer this... what, specifically, do you want out of a new D-lineman?

I want a DT. I want a guy that the offensive line has to scheme for. I want a guy that has to be accounted for on every snap or all hell breaks loose.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Just answer this... what, specifically, do you want out of a new D-lineman?

Someone who can stop the run consistently and/or put consistent pressure on the QB... End result some level of consistency which is something we have none of right now. We have a line full of players that flash for a play or 2 then disappear for entire games.

Rev you are kidding yourself if you actually think our D-Line talent is acceptable and coaching was the only problem. This line was absolutely pathetic at pressuring QB's, and as if that wasn't enough, they became useless at stopping the run as the season progressed. We are absolutely pathetic along the line and without an infusion of talent someone in our secondary is going to look like Roc Alexander again and again.

[ludo21]

^^^ what they said ^^^

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by killericon

Great, run-stuffing interior play.

# Alvin McKinley
Position: DT
Height: 6-3
Weight: 294
Born: 06/09/1978
College: Mississippi State
NFL Experience: 8

Career Stats | Game Logs: 01 02 03 04 05 06 | Situational Stats | Team Roster



Defensive Stats
Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2000 Carolina Panthers 7 9 9.0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2001 Cleveland Browns 7 12 6.0 6 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2002 Cleveland Browns 13 11 7.0 4 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 2
2003 Cleveland Browns 9 23 9.0 14 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2004 Cleveland Browns 16 49 29.0 20 3 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2005 Cleveland Browns 16 68 45.0 23 5 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2006 Cleveland Browns 14 45 30.0 15 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
TOTAL 82 217 135.0 82 9 0 0 0.0 0 0 3


Fumbles
Year Team G Fum Lost Fum Forced Own Rec Opp Rec Yds Tot Rec TD
2000 Carolina Panthers 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2001 Cleveland Browns 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2002 Cleveland Browns 13 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 Cleveland Browns 9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 Cleveland Browns 16 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0
2005 Cleveland Browns 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
2006 Cleveland Browns 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
TOTAL 82 0 0 1 0 2 0 2 0


Productive run stopper and more than capable of standing up blockers in a Bates system.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

# Alvin McKinley

Productive run stopper and more than capable of standing up blockers in a Bates system.

I'll believe it when/if I see it.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TheDave

Someone who can stop the run consistently and/or put consistent pressure on the QB... End result some level of consistency which is something we have none of right now. We have a line full of players that flash for a play or 2 then disappear for entire games.

Rev you are kidding yourself if you actually think our D-Line talent is acceptable and coaching was the only problem. This line was absolutely pathetic at pressuring QB's, and as if that wasn't enough, they became useless at stopping the run as the season progressed. We are absolutely pathetic along the line and without an infusion of talent someone in our secondary is going to look like Roc Alexander again and again.

Can't pressure the QB when you're playing run first on 3rd and long. Also, catch NFL replay or watch Broncos tapes and see how far Coyer has Darrent playing off the receiver on 3rd downs and then count out how long it takes from the snap to the throw.

VERY few sacks occur in 2 seconds.

[TheDave]

at best Alvin McKiney represents a slight upgrade over Meyers...

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by listopencil

I'll believe it when/if I see it.

You have a good argument of wanting a true powerhouse to control the LOS and commanding double teams to free up the other guys. What you're going to get from Bates is a big body run/blocker jammer to keep the LBs active. And when you see that, you're going to love it.

[baja]

Originally Posted by BlaK-Argentina

Where the heck is Jake (O4L) anyway?

He's dating Becky4J

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by TheDave

at best Alvin McKiney represents a slight upgrade over Meyers...

and thats a bad thing? Meyer's is no Kris Jenkins but he was a solid contributor for 2 years... you act like he's Fatafehi or Pope or something. the sky isn't falling thedave, it's right where it should be... in the top 5 of the NFL.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Can't pressure the QB when you're playing run first on 3rd and long. Also, catch NFL replay or watch Broncos tapes and see how far Coyer has Darrent playing off the receiver on 3rd downs and then count out how long it takes from the snap to the throw.

VERY few sacks occur in 2 seconds.

We were not playing run first on 3rd and long... I agree that Darrent played off of the man too much, but that had very little to do with our pathetic pass rush. While you are watching these replays notice how often we resorted to blitzing in the 2nd half of the season. It was the only way to pressure the opposing team... and everyone knew it.

[baja]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Can't pressure the QB when you're playing run first on 3rd and long. Also, catch NFL replay or watch Broncos tapes and see how far Coyer has Darrent playing off the receiver on 3rd downs and then count out how long it takes from the snap to the throw.

VERY few sacks occur in 2 seconds.

EXACTLY!!!

This is what I was screaming (Typing in Caps) about for two seasons in the chat room.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

and thats a bad thing? Meyer's is no Kris Jenkins but he was a solid contributor for 2 years... you act like he's Fatafehi or Pope or something. the sky isn't falling thedave, it's right where it should be... in the top 5 of the NFL.

This is the same Mike Meyers that is currently unemployed...

"Top 5" what... D-Line?

[Barry Ramey]

How can someone possibly have watched the Broncos the last couple of years and not think they need help on the DL? I don't get it.

[Requiem]

Yeah, and the Pope's Jewish. ****.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by BlaK-Argentina

Where the heck is Jake (O4L) anyway?

I think he is pondering retirement like a certain idol of his.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Tell us about how awesome Courtney Brown is again, Rev.

[Sodak]

Originally Posted by baja fan

He's dating Becky4J

The legend lives. EEEEeeeewwww...

[BroncoFanDoug]

I agree with some here - it's DT. We have the speed and athleticism on the ends. What I saw last year was QBs stepping up into a huge pocket created by their O-line pushing or holding our DTs. Move that line 2 feet into the backfield and our ends have a field day.

[cabronco]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

How can someone possibly have watched the Broncos the last couple of years and not think they need help on the DL? I don't get it.

Meh, its just all in your head. The Broncos D-line dominated the last 2 years. Just re-watch film of third downs, and the 2nd half of games. Its not like the D was getting stood up at the LOS.