Recruiting for Jihad - The Orange Mane

Rascal · 03-28-2007, 11:43 AM

Interesting article IMO. Will probably be moved to the war room, but in the mean time should provide some insight into what causes young men to join these groups.

Sounds a lot like America's youth, except that instead of turning to mass murder, suicide, and jihads our kids use drugs, join gangs, and individual suicides.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...28/103138.aspx

"We were told to fight against Israel, America and non-Muslims," said Muhammed Bakhtiar, 17, explaining why he wanted to become a suicide bomber. "We are so unhappy with our lives here. We have nothing," he said.

Last month, Bakhtiar and his school friend, Miraj Ahmad, also 17, left their home, families, and boarding school in Buner, a district of the Malakand Division of the Northwest Frontier Province. Their destination was the Muridke madrassa right outside of Lahore, Pakistan’s second-largest city. The madrassa or religious school is run by the Jama’at-ud-Da’awah, the charity linked to the outlawed terrorist organization, Lashkar e Taiba. And Lashkar e Taiba has links to al-Qaida.

NBC News
Miraj Ahmad, left, and Muhammed Bakhtiar were recruited for jihad.

The grounds of this madrassa looks much like the campus of any exclusive boys boarding school – except for the bearded armed guards sporting Kalashnikovs checking all those who come and go. There is a cricket field, swimming pool, all sorts of sport activities, and horses too. In addition to religious instruction, the school offers computer sciences, engineering and pre-med classes for students ranging in age from six to 17.

It also offers jihad.

"We read about jihad in books and wanted to join," said Ahmad. "We wanted to go to the Muridke madrassa so we would have a better life in the hereafter."

Recruited at local high school
Ahmad said that he and his friend Bakhtiar were recruited at their high school in Buner. The recruiter offered to take the boys to Muridke for two weeks of training and then to Peshawar where they would be introduced to people and make contacts.

"We were told it is our choice to become a freedom fighter or a suicide bomber," explained Ahmad, who had a neat beard and wore a white Muslim prayer cap. "But we should never fight against Pakistan."

Every morning the students were taught Islamic studies; afternoons were reserved for sports. Jihadi training was given in the evenings; two classes a night.

"The jihadi man who brought us to Muridke told us we would become great by fighting jihad," said the clean-shaven Bakhtiar. "We knew we could never become great if we stayed in Buner. I wanted to become great."

About 600,000 people live in Buner, a green valley surrounded by high mountains. The area is underdeveloped and the climate is harsh.

The Yusufzai tribe, the largest of all the Pashtun tribes, makes up most of the population. Pashtuns are the ethnic group comprising 15 percent of Pakistan’s population – mostly in the Northwest Frontier Province, along the Pakistan-Afghan border – and in Pakistan’s southwest Balouchistan Province.

They have an ancient culture, speak their own language and abide by their own tribal codes of honor and hospitality called Pashtunwali. They have gotten a bad name of late since the Taliban are also Pashtuns.

VIDEO: Scenes from the city of Buner, a city along the Pakistan-Afghan border, where two local boys were recruited for jihad.

The Buner tribesmen who cannot eke out a living from farming often try to leave and work in Malaysia or the Gulf States.

Some, like Bakhtiar and Ahmad, just try and leave. Buner seemed like a perfect place to sign up kids for jihad.

Parents outraged
When the parents of Bakhtiar and Ahmad learned the boys had missed a week at their Buner boarding school, they panicked. They contacted relatives and friends. There were no clues. Finally a nephew remembered the boys talking one night about the Muridke madrassa. He went there and somehow managed to get past the armed guards and identified his cousin, Bakhtiar. He called home to Buner and told the family to come.

The parents of both boys said that they believed the Hera boarding school in Buner had brainwashed their sons.

The principal Abdur Rahman, denied this, saying he went to the local police and demanded they go after the man who recruited the boys at his school.

"We don’t support this; suicide attacks are murder; this is against Islam" Rahman said. "Those boys went to Muridke by themselves, they should have been here taking their exams, and I no longer want them back in my school," he said.

The tribal elders intervened and now Bakhtiar and Ahmad are back in school in Buner.

"My brother and my uncle found me in Lahore," said Bakhtiar. "The people at Muridke let us leave and said we could come back after we finished our exams at home," he said.

But we asked them, "Do you want to go back and learn jihad?"

"I don’t know" said Bakhtiar." Maybe, maybe."

Ahmad agreed. "There is nothing for us here. Nothing."

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-28-2007, 11:57 AM

We aren't the only country in the world where parents need to be more involved in their childrens' lives.

atomicbloke · 03-28-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

We aren't the only country in the world where parents need to be more involved in their childrens' lives.

Well, in this case, many of these kids may not have families. Most of these kids families usually have been killed in bombings or other elements of war.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-28-2007, 12:46 PM

I was referring to this part:

Parents outraged
When the parents of Bakhtiar and Ahmad learned the boys had missed a week at their Buner boarding school, they panicked. They contacted relatives and friends. There were no clues. Finally a nephew remembered the boys talking one night about the Muridke madrassa. He went there and somehow managed to get past the armed guards and identified his cousin, Bakhtiar. He called home to Buner and told the family to come.

The parents of both boys said that they believed the Hera boarding school in Buner had brainwashed their sons.

DBruleU · 03-28-2007, 12:53 PM

Or most their parents are Jihadists themselves.

watermock · 03-28-2007, 01:09 PM

One thing that has always amused me is I have yet to hear of one red cent given to the people of Gaza or the West bank by Saudi Arabia or other filthy rich countries.

People who know anything about Islam know it's diametrically opposed to Christianity and this war has been going on for over a thousand and a half years. Why does this surprise anyone?

they are so brainwashed into this perverted world cult it's perfectly acceptable to kill or even behead a percieved infidel. My opinion is well know about that peodophile, rapist, murderer, and thief they call their Great Mohammed.

Dudeskey · 03-28-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

One thing that has always amused me is I have yet to hear of one red cent given to the people of Gaza or the West bank by Saudi Arabia or other filthy rich countries.

People who know anything about Islam know it's diametrically opposed to Christianity and this war has been going on for over a thousand and a half years. Why does this surprise anyone?

they are so brainwashed into this perverted world cult it's perfectly acceptable to kill or even behead a percieved infidel. My opinion is well know about that peodophile, rapist, murderer, and thief they call their Great Mohammed.

Religious extemism is very dangerous regardless of what the religion is... These people are no better than those that kill a Doctor from an abortion clinic in the name of God.

CBF1 · 03-28-2007, 02:31 PM

I did not see it while reading the link, so I will ask.... What sport does Jiihad play and what schools are recruiting him? Could he play strong safety for us? If he slips I would draft him in the 4th

Rock Chalk · 03-28-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

Religious extemism is very dangerous regardless of what the religion is... These people are no better than those that kill a Doctor from an abortion clinic in the name of God.

Agreed, but also those Doctors who take the life of a child in an abortion clinic in the name of choice are fanatical to a viewpoint as well. And not all those against abortion are religious. Science depicts life beginning at conception for all creatures. This is when the process of life begins. If that is the case, you can see how those that oppose abortion see those that are pro murder as fanatical.

Let me be clear, I have no opinion on abortion other than how it pertains to my situation. No baby of my will ever be aborted. What other people do is their business and if the law says they are free to murder, so be it.

missingnumber7 · 03-28-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CBF1

I did not see it while reading the link, so I will ask.... What sport does Jiihad play and what schools are recruiting him? Could he play strong safety for us? If he slips I would draft him in the 4th

I think we would have to send a 6th to washington and they would send us their offensive line, two safties, a defensive tackle, rights to the rest of their picks and a partridge in a pear tree to get up high enough pick him.

NYBronco · 03-28-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by missingnumber7

I think we would have to send a 6th to washington and they would send us their offensive line, two safties, a defensive tackle, rights to the rest of their picks and a partridge in a pear tree to get up high enough pick him.

I don't think it would take much to draft someone like him although he would appear to be a "blue chipper" in his position.

I wouldn't want his talents near my team other than maybe picking up the sweaty jock straps...

watermock · 03-28-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

Religious extemism is very dangerous regardless of what the religion is... These people are no better than those that kill a Doctor from an abortion clinic in the name of God.

Big difference there buddy...This isolated incident will be prosecuted...In Jihad, it's applauded. Buy a vowel.

elsid13 · 03-28-2007, 08:00 PM

Actually there was interest interview on 60 Minutes last Sunday with one of the chief British recruiters for one of the groups. He basically got the kids/teenagers because he was to make them feel wanted and were part of a group. Basically playing on the insecurities all teenagers have.

03-28-2007, 11:43 AM	#1
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Recruiting for Jihad Interesting article IMO. Will probably be moved to the war room, but in the mean time should provide some insight into what causes young men to join these groups. Sounds a lot like America's youth, except that instead of turning to mass murder, suicide, and jihads our kids use drugs, join gangs, and individual suicides. http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...28/103138.aspx "We were told to fight against Israel, America and non-Muslims," said Muhammed Bakhtiar, 17, explaining why he wanted to become a suicide bomber. "We are so unhappy with our lives here. We have nothing," he said. Last month, Bakhtiar and his school friend, Miraj Ahmad, also 17, left their home, families, and boarding school in Buner, a district of the Malakand Division of the Northwest Frontier Province. Their destination was the Muridke madrassa right outside of Lahore, Pakistan’s second-largest city. The madrassa or religious school is run by the Jama’at-ud-Da’awah, the charity linked to the outlawed terrorist organization, Lashkar e Taiba. And Lashkar e Taiba has links to al-Qaida. NBC News Miraj Ahmad, left, and Muhammed Bakhtiar were recruited for jihad. The grounds of this madrassa looks much like the campus of any exclusive boys boarding school – except for the bearded armed guards sporting Kalashnikovs checking all those who come and go. There is a cricket field, swimming pool, all sorts of sport activities, and horses too. In addition to religious instruction, the school offers computer sciences, engineering and pre-med classes for students ranging in age from six to 17. It also offers jihad. "We read about jihad in books and wanted to join," said Ahmad. "We wanted to go to the Muridke madrassa so we would have a better life in the hereafter." Recruited at local high school Ahmad said that he and his friend Bakhtiar were recruited at their high school in Buner. The recruiter offered to take the boys to Muridke for two weeks of training and then to Peshawar where they would be introduced to people and make contacts. "We were told it is our choice to become a freedom fighter or a suicide bomber," explained Ahmad, who had a neat beard and wore a white Muslim prayer cap. "But we should never fight against Pakistan." Every morning the students were taught Islamic studies; afternoons were reserved for sports. Jihadi training was given in the evenings; two classes a night. "The jihadi man who brought us to Muridke told us we would become great by fighting jihad," said the clean-shaven Bakhtiar. "We knew we could never become great if we stayed in Buner. I wanted to become great." About 600,000 people live in Buner, a green valley surrounded by high mountains. The area is underdeveloped and the climate is harsh. The Yusufzai tribe, the largest of all the Pashtun tribes, makes up most of the population. Pashtuns are the ethnic group comprising 15 percent of Pakistan’s population – mostly in the Northwest Frontier Province, along the Pakistan-Afghan border – and in Pakistan’s southwest Balouchistan Province. They have an ancient culture, speak their own language and abide by their own tribal codes of honor and hospitality called Pashtunwali. They have gotten a bad name of late since the Taliban are also Pashtuns. VIDEO: Scenes from the city of Buner, a city along the Pakistan-Afghan border, where two local boys were recruited for jihad. The Buner tribesmen who cannot eke out a living from farming often try to leave and work in Malaysia or the Gulf States. Some, like Bakhtiar and Ahmad, just try and leave. Buner seemed like a perfect place to sign up kids for jihad. Parents outraged When the parents of Bakhtiar and Ahmad learned the boys had missed a week at their Buner boarding school, they panicked. They contacted relatives and friends. There were no clues. Finally a nephew remembered the boys talking one night about the Muridke madrassa. He went there and somehow managed to get past the armed guards and identified his cousin, Bakhtiar. He called home to Buner and told the family to come. The parents of both boys said that they believed the Hera boarding school in Buner had brainwashed their sons. The principal Abdur Rahman, denied this, saying he went to the local police and demanded they go after the man who recruited the boys at his school. "We don’t support this; suicide attacks are murder; this is against Islam" Rahman said. "Those boys went to Muridke by themselves, they should have been here taking their exams, and I no longer want them back in my school," he said. The tribal elders intervened and now Bakhtiar and Ahmad are back in school in Buner. "My brother and my uncle found me in Lahore," said Bakhtiar. "The people at Muridke let us leave and said we could come back after we finished our exams at home," he said. But we asked them, "Do you want to go back and learn jihad?" "I don’t know" said Bakhtiar." Maybe, maybe." Ahmad agreed. "There is nothing for us here. Nothing."

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03-28-2007, 11:57 AM	#2
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	We aren't the only country in the world where parents need to be more involved in their childrens' lives.

03-28-2007, 12:46 PM	#4
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I was referring to this part: Parents outraged When the parents of Bakhtiar and Ahmad learned the boys had missed a week at their Buner boarding school, they panicked. They contacted relatives and friends. There were no clues. Finally a nephew remembered the boys talking one night about the Muridke madrassa. He went there and somehow managed to get past the armed guards and identified his cousin, Bakhtiar. He called home to Buner and told the family to come. The parents of both boys said that they believed the Hera boarding school in Buner had brainwashed their sons.

03-28-2007, 12:53 PM	#5
DBruleU Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boulder, the bastion of communism. Posts: 3,663	Or most their parents are Jihadists themselves.

03-28-2007, 01:09 PM	#6
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	One thing that has always amused me is I have yet to hear of one red cent given to the people of Gaza or the West bank by Saudi Arabia or other filthy rich countries. People who know anything about Islam know it's diametrically opposed to Christianity and this war has been going on for over a thousand and a half years. Why does this surprise anyone? they are so brainwashed into this perverted world cult it's perfectly acceptable to kill or even behead a percieved infidel. My opinion is well know about that peodophile, rapist, murderer, and thief they call their Great Mohammed.

03-28-2007, 02:31 PM	#8
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	I did not see it while reading the link, so I will ask.... What sport does Jiihad play and what schools are recruiting him? Could he play strong safety for us? If he slips I would draft him in the 4th

03-28-2007, 08:00 PM	#13
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,096	Actually there was interest interview on 60 Minutes last Sunday with one of the chief British recruiters for one of the groups. He basically got the kids/teenagers because he was to make them feel wanted and were part of a group. Basically playing on the insecurities all teenagers have.