What mock drafts have us taking. - The Orange Mane

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 03:52 PM

These Mock drafts are really lame. It's like they all just copy each other on who to pick.

From what I've seen here's what everyone thinks we'll do.

1. Anthony Spencer - If we take this guy I'll throw a brick through my wall. I don't like very much about him at all and certainly not in the first round.

2. Jarvis Moss - I know he can rush the passer, but he doesn't seem to be as good against the run and I would think the Broncos want a more complete player in the first round.

3. A Wide Receiver - Do people really think we'll need a wide receiver? Do they really think we'll use a first round pick on one? This is stupid. With all the weapons on offense and growing concerns on defense we use our best pick on a receiver? Idiots.

4. A Corner - Until we move Bly, this is stupid. Really, really, stupid.

I would hate any of the above. My suspicion is that most of those Mock drafts just write what the other guy wrote and don't know our team needs.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-26-2007, 04:20 PM

There are really only a half dozen guys out there with significant contacts among the scouts, so yes they just copy from one another. Most of these guys have never seen many of the players in a game.

BTW - I missed the context, but as I was walking by the TV the other day, NFL Network had Spencer going to the 49ers in the third round.

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

BTW - I missed the context, but as I was walking by the TV the other day, NFL Network had Spencer going to the 49ers in the third round.

That makes a lot more sense.

elsid13 · 03-26-2007, 05:34 PM

Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)

Denver Broncos – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

goldengopher1976 · 03-26-2007, 06:53 PM

It seems to me that there is increasing sentiment and increasingly good arguments here for us either moving up or down in the draft. One way to get an impact player, the other to get several really good players with potential for impact (I'll grant, of course, that all players are merely "potential" anything at this point). If we're setting our sights on a LT, I'd rather move down and grab another one and acquire another pick. And there's no way we'd get Joe Thomas at 6...

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-26-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by goldengopher1976

It seems to me that there is increasing sentiment and increasingly good arguments here for us either moving up or down in the draft. One way to get an impact player, the other to get several really good players with potential for impact (I'll grant, of course, that all players are merely "potential" anything at this point). If we're setting our sights on a LT, I'd rather move down and grab another one and acquire another pick. And there's no way we'd get Joe Thomas at 6...

Maners are like a bunch of kids in the back seat. They don't want to sit still.

WABronco · 03-26-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)

Denver Broncos – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Staley? Yes.

Ugoh shouldn't even be mentioned in the first.

As for Moss, he's probably the second best pure pass rusher in the draft. Run defense comes later.

Requiem · 03-26-2007, 08:13 PM

Like Big Guy said, most of these kids (who are just kids in high school) rarely have seen some of these kids play. I love college football, but I can guarantee you I have not studied more than maybe a round or so of guys extensively. I know a lot about prospects, but not enough to give a detailed scouting report for each and every one. I feel comfortable that I know enough to make a detailed round one mock, and perhaps an additional round or two. Very few of the people out there have access to tape, and I'd wager than 95% of them haven't seen more than one game of every prospect they have going in the first round.

A lot of the stuff is ridiculous, and when you see people posting on forums - (like Football's Future) they tend to get their input from the more respected fans of individual teams. Most of the kids on here copy eachother and throw **** against a wall to see if it will stick.

I didn't even do a full-round mock last year to submit to any constest, I don't bother wasting my time. I care about what the Broncos do really, and only the Broncos and I have several people who I keep in touch with that really help me when it comes to formulating my drafts and seeing what positions we'll take, not really who. That's more important to me - if you get the positions narrowed down, it makes it a lot easier to pick players.

Last year, the the QB, TE and trade for Walker as possibilities in the first day in my draft preview and numerous posts before, I say I made out pretty good last year. This year for some reason seems a lot harder to predict.

ward63 · 03-26-2007, 08:28 PM

I think if we can drop down in the first and still get Staley, that'd be really good. I think we should go w/the Andy Reid way of drafting this year. Build on the OL and DL!!!!!!!

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ward63

I think if we can drop down in the first and still get Staley, that'd be really good. I think we should go w/the Andy Reid way of drafting this year. Build on the OL and DL!!!!!!!

I'm really leaning that way. I think our defense will be in flux as Bates figures out who he wants and what he likes. I think trying to get some good all-around players on both lines and then filling in the rest wouldn't be terrible. Then play the season and have a clearer picture of specifics we want to address by this time next year.

I'm not writing off the season, just that it's hard to see what we'll need in Bates system at this point.

BroncoInferno · 03-26-2007, 09:06 PM

Your #1 and #2 are actually both perfect fits for the Bates scheme. Playing the run is a secondary function for DEs in his scheme; that responsibility primarily falls to the massive DTs controlling the middle and the LBs crashing in to clean up the trash. The primary responsibity of the DEs are to one-gap and rush up-field as agressively as possible and make plays in the backfield. Both Spencer and (especially) Moss are prototype fits for that style of play and would be solid options at #21. I wasn't excited about Moss initially because of how thin he is, but he has the frame to grow and should upgrade the pass rush immediately. People are skeptical about Spencer because he's a little light in the saddle, but that man made an exceptional number of plays in the backfield; that level of production coupled with his excellent burst upfield and nonstop motor make him a very good option for this defense.

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

People are skeptical about Spencer because he's a little light in the saddle, but that man made an exceptional number of plays in the backfield; that level of production coupled with his excellent burst upfield and nonstop motor make him a very good option for this defense in the third round

Fixed your post.

Mediator12 · 03-26-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem

Like Big Guy said, most of these kids (who are just kids in high school) rarely have seen some of these kids play. I love college football, but I can guarantee you I have not studied more than maybe a round or so of guys extensively. I know a lot about prospects, but not enough to give a detailed scouting report for each and every one. I feel comfortable that I know enough to make a detailed round one mock, and perhaps an additional round or two. Very few of the people out there have access to tape, and I'd wager than 95% of them haven't seen more than one game of every prospect they have going in the first round.

A lot of the stuff is ridiculous, and when you see people posting on forums - (like Football's Future) they tend to get their input from the more respected fans of individual teams. Most of the kids on here copy eachother and throw **** against a wall to see if it will stick.

I didn't even do a full-round mock last year to submit to any constest, I don't bother wasting my time. I care about what the Broncos do really, and only the Broncos and I have several people who I keep in touch with that really help me when it comes to formulating my drafts and seeing what positions we'll take, not really who. That's more important to me - if you get the positions narrowed down, it makes it a lot easier to pick players.

Last year, the the QB, TE and trade for Walker as possibilities in the first day in my draft preview and numerous posts before, I say I made out pretty good last year. This year for some reason seems a lot harder to predict.

This year the needs are in flux as there are coaching changes, major FA acquisitions, Trades and potential trades, and scheme changes. Reporters joke that Dove Valley is locked up tighter than the pentagon during an episode of 24. Add that to the mix, and even understanding the current needs and desires of Mike and Ted is a b****. One thing is for sure, they never fail to surprise

BroncoInferno · 03-26-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Fixed your post.

The only thing not to like about Spencer is his size, which for Bates' scheme really isn't that big of a problem because the primary concern of his ends are getting upfield, not power run responsibility. Other than his size, his production and motor are second to none.

Requiem · 03-26-2007, 09:38 PM

Oh believe me, I won't be surprised if we flash on at #6 after Arizona picks this year and take someone. I really wouldn't put it past them. When the team starts meeting on April 2nd for draft ****, I'd expect a move up or down (for positioning) to be made in a week or so, as far as positioning goes.

Rohirrim · 03-26-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

Maners are like a bunch of kids in the back seat. They don't want to sit still.

Are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Really, the same thing happens every year. The key is, none of us know what the Broncos' draft board looks like. Let's say (for example) they have Meachem as the #2 WR on their board, worth a top fifteen pick, and he's there at 21 - and on their board, he's the only top fifteen left? Then he may become the BPA and they take him. What if they rate Staley or Harrell as top twenty picks? We don't know.

elsid13 · 03-26-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Requiem

Oh believe me, I won't be surprised if we flash on at #6 after Arizona picks this year and take someone. I really wouldn't put it past them. When the team starts meeting on April 2nd for draft ****, I'd expect a move up or down (for positioning) to be made in a week or so, as far as positioning goes.

I would have agreed with you if Wilson had been traded. I have strong feeling the FO was attempting add draft picks to move up to the top 10 and have additional picks later in the draft. A couple of thirds and fourth.

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

The only thing not to like about Spencer is his size, which for Bates' scheme really isn't that big of a problem because the primary concern of his ends are getting upfield, not power run responsibility. Other than his size, his production and motor are second to none.

Second to none? Well shoot, he should be the first end off board, then!

Barry Ramey · 03-26-2007, 10:34 PM

This one has Branch slipping to #21 and the Broncos taking him.

http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

BroncoInferno · 03-26-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Second to none? Well shoot, he should be the first end off board, then!

26 tackles for loss...find me more than a couple of Divison 1-A DEs that match that in this draft (hell, find me one)...motor is obviously debatable, but he has a strong one, no question about that.

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

This one has Branch slipping to #21 and the Broncos taking him.

http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

That's a very different draft but I like where he went with a lot of those picks. I like where he has some of those picks in terms of value - Like Adrian Peterson out of the top ten. I don't think that would happen, but I think given his injuries and mileage it makes more sense. He also has us taking Brandon Siler in round two. That's the first Mock I've seen that has us addressing a position that is probably more realistic.

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

26 tackles for loss...find me more than a couple of Divison 1-A DEs that match that in this draft (hell, find me one)...motor is obviously debatable, but he has a strong one, no question about that.

My problem with Spencer is that he seems like another Elvis Dumervil except with better size and fewer moves. Obviously Elvis worked out ok, but we're talking about a second day pick here.

I honestly think Spencer will at best be a backup outside linebacker in a 3-4 somewhere. That's all I see him as. Even Freeney is built more stoutly than Spencer.

-Slap- · 03-26-2007, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13

Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited)

Denver Broncos – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Yugo would be an equally horrendous pick @ 21.

BroncoInferno · 03-26-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Yugo would be an equally horrendous pick @ 21.

Yugo

Kaylore · 03-26-2007, 10:59 PM

Ugoh reads like George Foster.

03-26-2007, 09:06 PM	#11
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,003	Your #1 and #2 are actually both perfect fits for the Bates scheme. Playing the run is a secondary function for DEs in his scheme; that responsibility primarily falls to the massive DTs controlling the middle and the LBs crashing in to clean up the trash. The primary responsibity of the DEs are to one-gap and rush up-field as agressively as possible and make plays in the backfield. Both Spencer and (especially) Moss are prototype fits for that style of play and would be solid options at #21. I wasn't excited about Moss initially because of how thin he is, but he has the frame to grow and should upgrade the pass rush immediately. People are skeptical about Spencer because he's a little light in the saddle, but that man made an exceptional number of plays in the backfield; that level of production coupled with his excellent burst upfield and nonstop motor make him a very good option for this defense. Last edited by BroncoInferno; 03-26-2007 at 09:11 PM..

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03-26-2007, 03:52 PM	#1
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,070 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	What mock drafts have us taking. These Mock drafts are really lame. It's like they all just copy each other on who to pick. From what I've seen here's what everyone thinks we'll do. 1. Anthony Spencer - If we take this guy I'll throw a brick through my wall. I don't like very much about him at all and certainly not in the first round. 2. Jarvis Moss - I know he can rush the passer, but he doesn't seem to be as good against the run and I would think the Broncos want a more complete player in the first round. 3. A Wide Receiver - Do people really think we'll need a wide receiver? Do they really think we'll use a first round pick on one? This is stupid. With all the weapons on offense and growing concerns on defense we use our best pick on a receiver? Idiots. 4. A Corner - Until we move Bly, this is stupid. Really, really, stupid. I would hate any of the above. My suspicion is that most of those Mock drafts just write what the other guy wrote and don't know our team needs.

03-26-2007, 04:20 PM	#2
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	There are really only a half dozen guys out there with significant contacts among the scouts, so yes they just copy from one another. Most of these guys have never seen many of the players in a game. BTW - I missed the context, but as I was walking by the TV the other day, NFL Network had Spencer going to the 49ers in the third round.

03-26-2007, 05:34 PM	#4
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,096	Lasted Yahoo Mock has Denver takening Staley (SLAP should be excited) Denver Broncos – Central Michigan offensive tackle Joe Staley. They still have a glaring need for an edge rusher and left tackle. They will listen to the Redskins all the way up to draft day, but will not overpay to acquire the No. 6 pick – which could be used on Joe Thomas. If they stay put, the Broncos could grab a young, but sometimes raw pass blocker like Staley or offensive tackle Tony Ugoh. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

03-26-2007, 06:53 PM	#5
goldengopher1976 Choosing optimism Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 718 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steve Atwater	It seems to me that there is increasing sentiment and increasingly good arguments here for us either moving up or down in the draft. One way to get an impact player, the other to get several really good players with potential for impact (I'll grant, of course, that all players are merely "potential" anything at this point). If we're setting our sights on a LT, I'd rather move down and grab another one and acquire another pick. And there's no way we'd get Joe Thomas at 6...

03-26-2007, 08:13 PM	#8
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Like Big Guy said, most of these kids (who are just kids in high school) rarely have seen some of these kids play. I love college football, but I can guarantee you I have not studied more than maybe a round or so of guys extensively. I know a lot about prospects, but not enough to give a detailed scouting report for each and every one. I feel comfortable that I know enough to make a detailed round one mock, and perhaps an additional round or two. Very few of the people out there have access to tape, and I'd wager than 95% of them haven't seen more than one game of every prospect they have going in the first round. A lot of the stuff is ridiculous, and when you see people posting on forums - (like Football's Future) they tend to get their input from the more respected fans of individual teams. Most of the kids on here copy eachother and throw **** against a wall to see if it will stick. I didn't even do a full-round mock last year to submit to any constest, I don't bother wasting my time. I care about what the Broncos do really, and only the Broncos and I have several people who I keep in touch with that really help me when it comes to formulating my drafts and seeing what positions we'll take, not really who. That's more important to me - if you get the positions narrowed down, it makes it a lot easier to pick players. Last year, the the QB, TE and trade for Walker as possibilities in the first day in my draft preview and numerous posts before, I say I made out pretty good last year. This year for some reason seems a lot harder to predict.

03-26-2007, 08:28 PM	#9
ward63 The Burner Returner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,161 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quincy Morgan	I think if we can drop down in the first and still get Staley, that'd be really good. I think we should go w/the Andy Reid way of drafting this year. Build on the OL and DL!!!!!!!

03-26-2007, 09:38 PM	#15
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Oh believe me, I won't be surprised if we flash on at #6 after Arizona picks this year and take someone. I really wouldn't put it past them. When the team starts meeting on April 2nd for draft ****, I'd expect a move up or down (for positioning) to be made in a week or so, as far as positioning goes.

03-26-2007, 10:34 PM	#19
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	This one has Branch slipping to #21 and the Broncos taking him. http://www.draftnotebook.com/draft_projection.htm

03-26-2007, 10:59 PM	#25
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,070 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Ugoh reads like George Foster.