Can you imagine any scenario in which we do not take an offensive tackle at 21? - The Orange Mane

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 11:55 AM

Offensive tackle is BY FAR the weakest position on the team. We have Matt Lepsis who just completely ripped up his knee, an undrafted NFL Europe player, a guy who was building houses for two year before he got talked out of retirement at the age of 32, and the last guy was out of the NFL last year! That's freaking terrible.

There is not one guy you can place your hopes on for playing at a competitively high level for a complete season. Adam Meadows has a bad shoulder, Matt Lepsis a bad knee and Jacob Rodgers has been injured since he has been in the league.

Since there is no value at DT in the first round, and since we already have five solid, yet unspectacular DEs (McKinley, Dumervil, Lang, Ekuban, and Engleberger) we HAVE to go OT. We have no choice. The roster dictates that we address the issue because we ignored it during free agency.

We should go OT with our first two picks and give Cutler the protection he needs. Lepsis, Pear, Meadows and Rodgers are not going to protect the franchise.

Rascal · 03-22-2007, 12:00 PM

Offensive tackle isn't even close to the weakest point on this team, therefore your entire argument is bonk.

Lepsis, Pears, and Meadows will fill in just fine this year. But I wouldn't mind taking one in the first day for the future. We will not start a rookie tackle.

There is plenty of value at DT/DE/S which are all positions that need to be addressed more then offensive tackle.

Outside Ekuban and Warren, there isn't a single d-lineman that would be a starter on any other team in a 4-3.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-22-2007, 12:02 PM

Lepsis was playing at an all pro level, Pears played very well for a 1st year player. Moving him to the right side and bringing Lepsis back is protecting the franchise.

listopencil · 03-22-2007, 12:07 PM

We addressed the OT spot to a degree just by getting rid of Foster and Meadows was the FA move that we made to shore up the position. D-Line is what we need with the first pick.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Offensive tackle isn't even close to the weakest point on this team, therefore your entire argument is bonk.

Lepsis, Pears, and Meadows will fill in just fine this year.

Well, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

bronco militia · 03-22-2007, 12:09 PM

I'd be pissed if they go OL in the 1st round..DE, DT

Gcver2ver3 · 03-22-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Can you imagine any scenario in which we do not take an offensive tackle at 21?

Huh?

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gcver2ver3

Huh?

I didn't realize the thread title was that hard to comprehend.

Bladerunner · 03-22-2007, 12:13 PM

Draft position (or lack thereof), past employment and other such stuff have no bearing on the quality of the position for the team. The quality (and health, as you rightly listed) of the players on the field is what matters. That being said, I think that OT is the 2nd biggest need after DE. The Broncos have plenty of young depth on the O-line in general, and I'm not sure that an OT taken at #21 will answer the teams needs, especially since Denver can usually wait for their OL guys until later because few other teams want them.

So I can think of a few situations where we don't take OT at #21.

16-JakE-16 · 03-22-2007, 12:15 PM

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Can you imagine any scenario in which we do not take an offensive tackle at 21?

hhhhh, yeah. One where we actually get a pass rushing linemen who actually generates pressure unlike the other scrubs on the roster. Thus, the team will finally have a legitimate shot at beating the Colts or any other high-powered offense.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:17 PM

I don't know if you guys have noticed, but our offensive tackles are freaking terrible! Remember, George Foster started over Pears and Meadows last season. Pears only got some PT because Lepsis went down.

When George Foster was your second best OT, you got major problems.

Broncos go OT in round one. BOOK IT!!! Nostragonzomus

Rascal · 03-22-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Well, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem.

TheDave · 03-22-2007, 12:19 PM

Unless we move up into the early part of the draft i doubt very much we will take an OT in the 1st. All the value @ #21 is at WR, DE, and Safety. Look for one of those positions to be picked if we stay put.

fontaine · 03-22-2007, 12:20 PM

Apart from QB/LB/WR (since Willis won't last till 21) let's just take the BEST available player.

That way nobody is happy and Garcia chucks his PC out of the window!

Carmelo15 · 03-22-2007, 12:20 PM

I'd rather we go defense with our first two picks. Then pick up a guy like Doug Free in the 3rd round

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fontaine

Apart from QB/LB/WR (since Willis won't last till 21) let's just take the BEST available player.

So if Brady Quinn starts a free fall ala Aaron Rodgers of a couple of years ago, you take him at 21? Interesting.

Rascal · 03-22-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

So if Brady Quinn starts a free fall ala Aaron Rodgers of a couple of years ago, you take him at 21? Interesting.

What part of "apart from QB/LB/WR" do you not understand?

bronco militia · 03-22-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

So if Brady Quinn starts a free fall ala Aaron Rodgers of a couple of years ago, you take him at 21? Interesting.

sure he can rot on the bench and hope someone trades a us two future #2's and switch places in the 1st round

Jens1893 · 03-22-2007, 12:28 PM

The only OTs worthy of getting taken 21 overall are Levi Brown and Joe Thomas and they will both be long gone then. If we reach for a guy like Staley I will go into full meltdown mode and I won´t be the only one. I´d much rather take a guy like James Marten or Doug Free with one of the third rounders.

If we truly want and need a tackle, wait another year and try to make a push for Sam Baker or Jake Long in 2008.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:29 PM

I don't really see how Jarvis Moss with his 7.5 sacks solves our pass rushing problems. You call that value? I call that a sucker pick.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

What part of "apart from QB/LB/WR" do you not understand?

Gotcha. No you can die happy.

Dagmar · 03-22-2007, 12:32 PM

Ah, Gonzo,

as usual.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:34 PM

And where is this supposed value for late first round DEs and DTs? I don't see it. Unless a guy like Adam Carriker drops, you OT instead of reaching from some scub DE with 7 sacks.

Requiem · 03-22-2007, 12:35 PM

Gonzo, the only way I can see us taking a OT in the first-round is if Staley is at #21 and all defensive line prospects worthy of that selection are gone. I think you'll see Denver draft a guy like James Marten, Doug Free or Ryan Harris between picks #56, #70 or #86. I too think it's a BIG need on the team, but the value really isn't there in round one - at least where we're at.

GonzoLays · 03-22-2007, 12:35 PM

Joe Staley, come on down brotha! Welcome to the Broncos!!

03-22-2007, 11:55 AM	#1
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	Can you imagine any scenario in which we do not take an offensive tackle at 21? Offensive tackle is BY FAR the weakest position on the team. We have Matt Lepsis who just completely ripped up his knee, an undrafted NFL Europe player, a guy who was building houses for two year before he got talked out of retirement at the age of 32, and the last guy was out of the NFL last year! That's freaking terrible. There is not one guy you can place your hopes on for playing at a competitively high level for a complete season. Adam Meadows has a bad shoulder, Matt Lepsis a bad knee and Jacob Rodgers has been injured since he has been in the league. Since there is no value at DT in the first round, and since we already have five solid, yet unspectacular DEs (McKinley, Dumervil, Lang, Ekuban, and Engleberger) we HAVE to go OT. We have no choice. The roster dictates that we address the issue because we ignored it during free agency. We should go OT with our first two picks and give Cutler the protection he needs. Lepsis, Pear, Meadows and Rodgers are not going to protect the franchise.

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03-22-2007, 12:00 PM	#2
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Offensive tackle isn't even close to the weakest point on this team, therefore your entire argument is bonk. Lepsis, Pears, and Meadows will fill in just fine this year. But I wouldn't mind taking one in the first day for the future. We will not start a rookie tackle. There is plenty of value at DT/DE/S which are all positions that need to be addressed more then offensive tackle. Outside Ekuban and Warren, there isn't a single d-lineman that would be a starter on any other team in a 4-3.

03-22-2007, 12:02 PM	#3
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Lepsis was playing at an all pro level, Pears played very well for a 1st year player. Moving him to the right side and bringing Lepsis back is protecting the franchise.

03-22-2007, 12:07 PM	#4
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	We addressed the OT spot to a degree just by getting rid of Foster and Meadows was the FA move that we made to shore up the position. D-Line is what we need with the first pick.

03-22-2007, 12:09 PM	#6
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,567	I'd be pissed if they go OL in the 1st round..DE, DT

03-22-2007, 12:13 PM	#9
Bladerunner Ring of Famer ...Two weeks from everywhere! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,125 Adopt-a-Bronco: Willis McGahee	Draft position (or lack thereof), past employment and other such stuff have no bearing on the quality of the position for the team. The quality (and health, as you rightly listed) of the players on the field is what matters. That being said, I think that OT is the 2nd biggest need after DE. The Broncos have plenty of young depth on the O-line in general, and I'm not sure that an OT taken at #21 will answer the teams needs, especially since Denver can usually wait for their OL guys until later because few other teams want them. So I can think of a few situations where we don't take OT at #21.

03-22-2007, 12:17 PM	#11
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	I don't know if you guys have noticed, but our offensive tackles are freaking terrible! Remember, George Foster started over Pears and Meadows last season. Pears only got some PT because Lepsis went down. When George Foster was your second best OT, you got major problems. Broncos go OT in round one. BOOK IT!!! Nostragonzomus

03-22-2007, 12:19 PM	#13
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Unless we move up into the early part of the draft i doubt very much we will take an OT in the 1st. All the value @ #21 is at WR, DE, and Safety. Look for one of those positions to be picked if we stay put.

03-22-2007, 12:20 PM	#14
fontaine Ring of Famer Go John Manning! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,422	Apart from QB/LB/WR (since Willis won't last till 21) let's just take the BEST available player. That way nobody is happy and Garcia chucks his PC out of the window!

03-22-2007, 12:20 PM	#15
Carmelo15 Chauncey! Jeyton Mannway Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 885 Adopt-a-Bronco: Omar Bolden	I'd rather we go defense with our first two picks. Then pick up a guy like Doug Free in the 3rd round

03-22-2007, 12:28 PM	#19
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	The only OTs worthy of getting taken 21 overall are Levi Brown and Joe Thomas and they will both be long gone then. If we reach for a guy like Staley I will go into full meltdown mode and I won´t be the only one. I´d much rather take a guy like James Marten or Doug Free with one of the third rounders. If we truly want and need a tackle, wait another year and try to make a push for Sam Baker or Jake Long in 2008.

03-22-2007, 12:29 PM	#20
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	I don't really see how Jarvis Moss with his 7.5 sacks solves our pass rushing problems. You call that value? I call that a sucker pick.

03-22-2007, 12:32 PM	#22
Dagmar ...there ain't no devil ..there's just God when he's drunk. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Morrison Posts: 17,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	Ah, Gonzo, as usual.

03-22-2007, 12:34 PM	#23
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	And where is this supposed value for late first round DEs and DTs? I don't see it. Unless a guy like Adam Carriker drops, you OT instead of reaching from some scub DE with 7 sacks.

03-22-2007, 12:35 PM	#24
Requiem ~~~ ~ ~ ~ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Earth Division Posts: 19,515 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gilgamesh	Gonzo, the only way I can see us taking a OT in the first-round is if Staley is at #21 and all defensive line prospects worthy of that selection are gone. I think you'll see Denver draft a guy like James Marten, Doug Free or Ryan Harris between picks #56, #70 or #86. I too think it's a BIG need on the team, but the value really isn't there in round one - at least where we're at.