The Schaub trade and what we can learn from it - The Orange Mane

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 04:00 PM

Generating value with QBs seems to be **** easy in the NFL and the Schaub trade kinda opened my eyes and made me wonder if we couldn´t do this ourselves?

The Texans just paid an absolute ransom for a career backup who once looked good in a start v New England, but nobody knows how he´s gonna handle the pressure of being THE GUY. Being a backup QB is rather "easy" as you´ve basically got nothing to lose when you come in. Most people think the team is screwed when the star QB goes down, so there isn´t a whole load of pressure on you to perform, most people just expect you to not screw it up. There have been quite a few guys who shone as backups, were traded for pretty high draft picks and then couldn´t handle the pressure of being the full time starter. Anyway, this kinda makes me wonder if we shouldn´t maybe a take a flyer on a QB in the sixth round, develop him for a few years and then hope to trade him for something valuable in 2-3 years? And, yes, I do know that we have Jay Cutler and Patrick Ramsey at QB already and I also know that stuff like this cannot be planned, but it just makes me wonder. Flame away.

GonzoLays · 03-21-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens1893

Generating value with QBs seems to be **** easy in the NFL and the Schaub trade kinda opened my eyes and made me wonder if we couldn´t do this ourselves?

The Texans just paid an absolute ransom for a career backup who once looked good in a start v New England, but nobody knows how he´s gonna handle the pressure of being THE GUY. Being a backup QB is rather "easy" as you´ve basically got nothing to lose when you come in. Most people think the team is screwed when the star QB goes down, so there isn´t a whole load of pressure on you to perform, most people just expect you to not screw it up. There have been quite a few guys who shone as backups, were traded for pretty high draft picks and then couldn´t handle the pressure of being the full time starter. Anyway, this kinda makes me wonder if we shouldn´t maybe a take a flyer on a QB in the sixth round, develop him for a few years and then hope to trade him for something valuable in 2-3 years? And, yes, I do know that we have Jay Cutler and Patrick Ramsey at QB already and I also know that stuff like this cannot be planned, but it just makes me wonder. Flame away.

I present exhibit A:

Jarius Jackson 7th round

Exhibit B:

Matt Mauck 7th round

Exhibit C:

Bradlee Van Pelt 7th Round

Exhibit D:

Shaun Moore 7th round

Anymore questions?

Taco John · 03-21-2007, 04:13 PM

Prediction: this turns into a Plummer thread within 25 posts

Paladin · 03-21-2007, 04:15 PM

Coulda traded Plummer for a second......

Master___Pain · 03-21-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Prediction: this turns into a Plummer thread within 25 posts

or 3.....

cutthemdown · 03-21-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

I present exhibit A:

Jarius Jackson 7th round

Exhibit B:

Matt Mauck 7th round

Exhibit C:

Bradlee Van Pelt 7th Round

Exhibit D:

Shaun Moore 7th round

Anymore questions?

Don't forget Jeff Lewis who we got a 3rd round pick for from Panthers. I don't remember where we drafted him at though.

-Slap- · 03-21-2007, 04:56 PM

Quarterbacks have always been overvalued, although, I believe Schaub will be a good one and the price Houston paid was reasonable.

Here's a picture that should make the old timers break out in a cold sweat.

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 05:00 PM

How about this guy, Slappy?

TexanBob · 03-21-2007, 05:01 PM

Slap, Matt Robinson is exactly the guy I was thinking. Led the Jets to a great comeback at Mile High back in the early 80s (before Elway) and we traded a #1 (IIRC) to get him as our starter. Didn't last a year.

Beantown Bronco · 03-21-2007, 05:07 PM

Broncos should've traded Bubby Brister back in the day....his solid performances when Elway was hurt would've equated to 2 first rounders if we're using the "Schaub test".

KipCorrington25 · 03-21-2007, 05:07 PM

We've got other things to worry about then trying to build some 7th rounder into a commodity we might be able to trade in a few years.

WoodMan · 03-21-2007, 05:10 PM

Schaub was an excellent college QB at Virginia, I think. He broke most of the passing records at that school and many in the ACC. He was drafted by Atlanta as their backup to Vick and wasn't going to get a chance, so he wanted out. I think he definitely has the ability to be an effective QB in the league and has had the benefit of learning from the sideline for a couple of years. Kubiak is a good QB coach andf shopuld be able to teach him alot. He is young, talented, and wants a chance to play. I don't think a second is too much to take a chance on him. I would have liked to see him come here pre-Ramsey, but he would have cost too much and wanted to start.

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodMan

Schaub was an excellent college QB at Virginia, I think. He broke most of the passing records at that school and many in the ACC. He was drafted by Atlanta as their backup to Vick and wasn't going to get a chance, so he wanted out. I think he definitely has the ability to be an effective QB in the league and has had the benefit of learning from the sideline for a couple of years. Kubiak is a good QB coach andf shopuld be able to teach him alot. He is young, talented, and wants a chance to play. I don't think a second is too much to take a chance on him. I would have liked to see him come here pre-Ramsey, but he would have cost too much and wanted to start.

He cost the Texans 2 second rounders and they also swapped first rounders with Atlanta.

BroncoInferno · 03-21-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens1893

The Texans just paid an absolute ransom for a career backup who once looked good in a start v New England, but nobody knows how he´s gonna handle the pressure of being THE GUY.

Why are Russell and Quinn (potentially) worth top 10 selections when neither has played a single snap in the NFL or proven they can be THE GUY, but giving up a 2nd rounder for a 25 year old who has actually shown some potential in an NFL game and has spent a few seasons studying the complexitites of an NFL offense and how to attack an NFL defense is paying "an absolute king's ransom?" Sounds like a coup for Houston, to me. Atlanta will regret choosing Ron Mexico over Schaub. It won't be quite as bad as trading Favre for a 1st, but it won't look good, either.

Northman · 03-21-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodMan

Schaub was an excellent college QB at Virginia, I think. He broke most of the passing records at that school and many in the ACC. He was drafted by Atlanta as their backup to Vick and wasn't going to get a chance, so he wanted out. I think he definitely has the ability to be an effective QB in the league and has had the benefit of learning from the sideline for a couple of years. Kubiak is a good QB coach andf shopuld be able to teach him alot. He is young, talented, and wants a chance to play. I don't think a second is too much to take a chance on him. I would have liked to see him come here pre-Ramsey, but he would have cost too much and wanted to start.

Right on the money and i totally agree with you. Schaub is worth what they gave up for him.

Mountain Bronco · 03-21-2007, 05:33 PM

Wasn't nearly as cheap as one second rounder. It was two second rounders (1 is high second round the other likely will be also) and Houston moving down in the first round. That is quite a bit.

kmartin575 · 03-21-2007, 05:44 PM

This just probably upped the value for Trent Green. I think the Chiefs will get a 4th round pick out of Green, similar to what the Broncos would have gotten for Plummer and what the Titans got for McNair.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-21-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

This just probably upped the value for Trent Green. I think the Chiefs will get a 4th round pick out of Green, similar to what the Broncos would have gotten for Plummer and what the Titans got for McNair.

No one around here gives a s**t.

WoodMan · 03-21-2007, 06:46 PM

I didn't realize they gave up two seconds. I thought it was just one. Swapping #8 and #10 is a bit of a trade down for Houston but not much. The Texans will also get something out for Carr, so I would still make the trade, since Schaub was who they wanted. This years second and next years second seems fair to me.

kmartin575 · 03-21-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

No one around here gives a s**t.

But you give a **** about the Schaub trade because it has so much to do with Denver, right?

Get over yourself. You guys are posting Chiefs news all the time over here. I'm not being a dick or talking trash so I don't understand any contempt towards me.

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

But you give a **** about the Schaub trade because it has so much to do with Denver, right?

Get over yourself. You guys are posting Chiefs news all the time over here. I'm not being a dick or talking trash so I don't understand any contempt towards me.

Our board, our rules. We discuss what we want here. Live with it.

Falconfan · 03-21-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens1893

How about this guy, Slappy?

That's the lefty right, what was his name?

Some of us wanted Schaubto start but he was unproven, totally unproven. We made out like Bandits I think.

kmartin575 · 03-21-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens1893

Our board, our rules. We discuss what we want here. Live with it.

And unless I am banned I am going to post whatever I want. Live with it.

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Falconfan

That's the lefty right, what was his name?

Some of us wanted Schaubto start but he was unproven, totally unproven. We made out like Bandits I think.

Scott Mitchell.

And I do think you raped them also.

Jens1893 · 03-21-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

And unless I am banned I am going to post whatever I want. Live with it.

Wonderful, but don´t come crying when someone takes a shot.

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03-21-2007, 04:00 PM	#1
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	The Schaub trade and what we can learn from it Generating value with QBs seems to be **** easy in the NFL and the Schaub trade kinda opened my eyes and made me wonder if we couldn´t do this ourselves? The Texans just paid an absolute ransom for a career backup who once looked good in a start v New England, but nobody knows how he´s gonna handle the pressure of being THE GUY. Being a backup QB is rather "easy" as you´ve basically got nothing to lose when you come in. Most people think the team is screwed when the star QB goes down, so there isn´t a whole load of pressure on you to perform, most people just expect you to not screw it up. There have been quite a few guys who shone as backups, were traded for pretty high draft picks and then couldn´t handle the pressure of being the full time starter. Anyway, this kinda makes me wonder if we shouldn´t maybe a take a flyer on a QB in the sixth round, develop him for a few years and then hope to trade him for something valuable in 2-3 years? And, yes, I do know that we have Jay Cutler and Patrick Ramsey at QB already and I also know that stuff like this cannot be planned, but it just makes me wonder. Flame away.

03-21-2007, 04:13 PM	#3
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Prediction: this turns into a Plummer thread within 25 posts

03-21-2007, 04:15 PM	#4
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	Coulda traded Plummer for a second......

03-21-2007, 04:56 PM	#7
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Quarterbacks have always been overvalued, although, I believe Schaub will be a good one and the price Houston paid was reasonable. Here's a picture that should make the old timers break out in a cold sweat.

03-21-2007, 05:00 PM	#8
Jens1893 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: People´s Republic of Bad Cannstatt Posts: 9,170	How about this guy, Slappy?

03-21-2007, 05:01 PM	#9
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	Slap, Matt Robinson is exactly the guy I was thinking. Led the Jets to a great comeback at Mile High back in the early 80s (before Elway) and we traded a #1 (IIRC) to get him as our starter. Didn't last a year.

03-21-2007, 05:07 PM	#10
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Broncos should've traded Bubby Brister back in the day....his solid performances when Elway was hurt would've equated to 2 first rounders if we're using the "Schaub test".

03-21-2007, 05:07 PM	#11
KipCorrington25 Free Safety Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Centennial Posts: 3,062	We've got other things to worry about then trying to build some 7th rounder into a commodity we might be able to trade in a few years.

03-21-2007, 05:10 PM	#12
WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	Schaub was an excellent college QB at Virginia, I think. He broke most of the passing records at that school and many in the ACC. He was drafted by Atlanta as their backup to Vick and wasn't going to get a chance, so he wanted out. I think he definitely has the ability to be an effective QB in the league and has had the benefit of learning from the sideline for a couple of years. Kubiak is a good QB coach andf shopuld be able to teach him alot. He is young, talented, and wants a chance to play. I don't think a second is too much to take a chance on him. I would have liked to see him come here pre-Ramsey, but he would have cost too much and wanted to start.

03-21-2007, 05:33 PM	#16
Mountain Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Mountains Posts: 1,447	Wasn't nearly as cheap as one second rounder. It was two second rounders (1 is high second round the other likely will be also) and Houston moving down in the first round. That is quite a bit.

03-21-2007, 05:44 PM	#17
kmartin575 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 886	This just probably upped the value for Trent Green. I think the Chiefs will get a 4th round pick out of Green, similar to what the Broncos would have gotten for Plummer and what the Titans got for McNair.

03-21-2007, 06:46 PM	#19
WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	I didn't realize they gave up two seconds. I thought it was just one. Swapping #8 and #10 is a bit of a trade down for Houston but not much. The Texans will also get something out for Carr, so I would still make the trade, since Schaub was who they wanted. This years second and next years second seems fair to me.