House Panel OKs Subpoenas of Bush Aides - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-21-2007, 12:42 PM

Great news! Maybe finally we can start bringing in these criminals to face the music!

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House panel OKs subpoenas of Bush aides
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Democratic-led congressional panel defied
President George W. Bush on Wednesday and authorized legal orders for several White House aides to testify under oath about the firing of eight U.S. prosecutors.

Heading toward a high-stakes showdown, a House of Representatives Judiciary subcommittee agreed on a voice vote to authorize subpoenas if Karl Rove, Bush's senior political adviser, and others refuse to testify voluntarily under oath.

In this file photo, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove stands at the White House complex in Washington, October 11, 2006. The White House offered on Tuesday to make Karl Rove, available to congressional investigators but rejected Democratic demands he testify under oath regarding the firings of U.S. attorneys. (Larry Downing/Reuters)

The action came a day after Bush vowed to oppose any subpoenas. He offered instead to allow aides to answer questions from investigators, but only behind closed doors, not under oath and with no transcript taken of their exchanges. Democrats called the offer unacceptable.

Democratic Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, chairman of the full Judiciary Committee, said he hoped the White House and Congress could reach an agreement to avoid a confrontation.

"I hope we can work this out," said Conyers, adding in a brief interview after the vote that he planned to talk to the White House again later in the day.

"Sometimes things look gloomy and then all of a sudden they look better," Conyers said.

But Bush appeared to be in no mood to compromise on Tuesday, saying he would oppose any effort to drag aides to Capitol Hill for a "show trial."

Recent disclosures about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys has ignited a firestorm over whether the prosecutors were pushed out for political reasons and has prompted calls for U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign.

Bush has reaffirmed support in Gonzales, but a few of his fellow Republicans in Congress have joined a number of Democrats in saying the administration would be better off if he stepped aside.

defenseman · 03-21-2007, 01:08 PM

Should be fun. I'll get my popcorn, someone else nuke the butter and toss some salt in please....dman

Dudeskey · 03-21-2007, 01:24 PM

For sure, Dman

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 01:41 PM

Is this a "safe" scandal though? Will anything really change per the outcome of all this?

bendog · 03-21-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Is this a "safe" scandal though? Will anything really change per the outcome of all this?

No, but if corruption investigations were stymied, it will be revealed, and perhaps they'll start back up. At least we're not Russia, yet anyhow.

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 02:51 PM

hopefully true.

Barry Ramey · 03-21-2007, 04:19 PM

Criminals? Oh, that's right "innocent until proven guilty" must be selective in this country and only applies to people you want.

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

Criminals? Oh, that's right "innocent until proven guilty" must be selective in this country and only applies to people you want.

Nah the gov't makes sure i'm guilty first, then i have to prove my innocence.

defenseman · 03-21-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Nah the gov't makes sure i'm guilty first, then i have to prove my innocence.

You are wrong on that. The media selects who is guilty to be proven innocent, and they apply it to meet their agenda...dman

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

You are wrong on that. The media selects who is guilty to be proven innocent, and they apply it to meet their agenda...dman

Really Dman? Then why the blankent spying on americans as a whole? Why all the CCTV's setup everywhere to watch everyone? Etc, etc

defenseman · 03-21-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Really Dman? Then why the blankent spying on americans as a whole? Why all the CCTV's setup everywhere to watch everyone? Etc, etc

I'll agree we are a bit over the edge on spying on our own, and we do need to reign that in. That said, denying the media targets selected stories and ensures the "guilty" spin is applied would be wrong also. Agree or disagree?..dman

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-21-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

You are wrong on that. The media selects who is guilty to be proven innocent, and they apply it to meet their agenda...dman

You watch way too much Fox Lies ... I mean TV.

defenseman · 03-21-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

You watch way too much Fox Lies ... I mean TV.

They all lie, don't claim they don't.....dman

Garcia Bronco · 03-21-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

Really Dman? Then why the blankent spying on americans as a whole? Why all the CCTV's setup everywhere to watch everyone? Etc, etc

What would Orwell do?

Bronco_Beerslug · 03-21-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

They all lie, don't claim they don't.....dman

I can link to hundreds of Fox lies, you have any links to any of the other news outlets?

In fact, Fox News sued in court for the express right to report lies as news... and won!

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

I'll agree we are a bit over the edge on spying on our own, and we do need to reign that in. That said, denying the media targets selected stories and ensures the "guilty" spin is applied would be wrong also. Agree or disagree?..dman

Oh most definitely

alkemical · 03-21-2007, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What would Orwell do?

Again nothing to stand on so you revert back to personal slander. Keep trying Benedict.

03-21-2007, 12:42 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	House Panel OKs Subpoenas of Bush Aides Great news! Maybe finally we can start bringing in these criminals to face the music! ---------------------------------------------------------- House panel OKs subpoenas of Bush aides WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Democratic-led congressional panel defied President George W. Bush on Wednesday and authorized legal orders for several White House aides to testify under oath about the firing of eight U.S. prosecutors. Heading toward a high-stakes showdown, a House of Representatives Judiciary subcommittee agreed on a voice vote to authorize subpoenas if Karl Rove, Bush's senior political adviser, and others refuse to testify voluntarily under oath. In this file photo, White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove stands at the White House complex in Washington, October 11, 2006. The White House offered on Tuesday to make Karl Rove, available to congressional investigators but rejected Democratic demands he testify under oath regarding the firings of U.S. attorneys. (Larry Downing/Reuters) The action came a day after Bush vowed to oppose any subpoenas. He offered instead to allow aides to answer questions from investigators, but only behind closed doors, not under oath and with no transcript taken of their exchanges. Democrats called the offer unacceptable. Democratic Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, chairman of the full Judiciary Committee, said he hoped the White House and Congress could reach an agreement to avoid a confrontation. "I hope we can work this out," said Conyers, adding in a brief interview after the vote that he planned to talk to the White House again later in the day. "Sometimes things look gloomy and then all of a sudden they look better," Conyers said. But Bush appeared to be in no mood to compromise on Tuesday, saying he would oppose any effort to drag aides to Capitol Hill for a "show trial." Recent disclosures about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys has ignited a firestorm over whether the prosecutors were pushed out for political reasons and has prompted calls for U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign. Bush has reaffirmed support in Gonzales, but a few of his fellow Republicans in Congress have joined a number of Democrats in saying the administration would be better off if he stepped aside.

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03-21-2007, 01:08 PM	#2
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	Should be fun. I'll get my popcorn, someone else nuke the butter and toss some salt in please....dman

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Dudeskey Ring of Famer This space for rent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,314	For sure, Dman

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,698 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Is this a "safe" scandal though? Will anything really change per the outcome of all this?

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,698 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	hopefully true.

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Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	Criminals? Oh, that's right "innocent until proven guilty" must be selective in this country and only applies to people you want.