No Nuts Zumbo, The Whining & Screaming NRA, Gun Manufacturers & Other Bedtime Stories

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Talk about a conglomerate of clowns all coming together to make asses out of themselves!

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Shooting his mouth off

Jim Zumbo, legendary scribe of the hunting set, was crucified by the NRA, and axed from his job at Outdoor Life, for declaring that assault weapons have no place in hunting. But don't call him a martyr.

By Steven Rinella

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March 17, 2007 | The past weeks have been great for dramatic reversals. Newt Gingrich admitted that he had, contrary to his own previous statements, been cheating on his wife at the same time that he led the congressional charge against Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinski scandal. A month before that, the nation was somewhat stunned, or at least amused, when the Rev. Ted Haggard proclaimed himself to be "completely heterosexual" after leaving the top post at his Colorado Springs mega-church following admissions that he'd engaged in a long-standing homosexual relationship with a male prostitute. Haggard downplayed the abruptness of his transformation by informing his parishioners that the three-week psychological intensive he underwent in Phoenix actually gave him "three years (sic) worth of analysis and treatment."




If Haggard's reversal causes a little eye rolling, consider that of Jim Zumbo, the recently crucified author of literally thousands of magazine articles and some 20 books on hunting and firearms. In a Feb. 16 blog entry titled "Assault Rifles for Hunters?" on the Web site of the venerable sporting magazine Outdoor Life, where he's been a full-time hunting editor for 30 years, Jim Zumbo expressed his concern about hunters who use AR and AK or "assault rifles" for legal hunting purposes. "Excuse me," he wrote, "maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no use place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them 'terrorist' rifles ... I say game departments should ban them from the prairies and woods."

It's hard to overstate the gun-owning community's backlash over Zumbo's remarks. Armed with blogs of their own, firearms advocates labeled Zumbo a traitor and generated rapid-fire e-mail campaigns that poured thousands of complaints into the in boxes of Zumbo's associates and sponsors, ranging from High Mountain Jerky, a Wyoming mom-and-pop producer of specialty wild-game curing spices, to the firearms giant Remington Arms Co.

The gist of the complaints was that Zumbo, through his suggestion that certain weapons have no place in hunting, was forcing an internal division within the ranks of gun owners. Critics took aim at Zumbo's frequent use of the phrase "hunters and shooters," which delineates people who own guns for hunting purposes from people who own guns for myriad other reasons, such as skeet shooting, self-defense or predator control on agricultural lands. "We as gun owners have enough problems battling outright opponents to the Second Amendment," the e-mails went. "We don't need to start battling each other as well."

Six days after Zumbo's post, Remington CEO Tommy Milner essentially clicked "reply to all" to the complainants and issued a mass e-mail: "Remington is shocked and disappointed by the comments of Jim Zumbo which have been widely circulated on the web. These comments do not reflect either my own feelings or those of my company! Accordingly we are severing all business ties with Mr. Zumbo…" Ditto for Outdoor Life's editor in chief, Todd W. Smith, who wrote, "Outdoor Life has always been, and always will be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with."

Not surprisingly, the National Rifle Association, a steadfast supporter of Second Amendment rights for both hunters and non-hunters, announced that its organization's magazines, American Sportsman, American Hunter and American Guardian, would no longer purchase articles from Jim Zumbo. Like salt in Zumbo's wounds, even High Mountain Jerky announced that it was removing Zumbo's mug from its packaging.

As the ax fell on Zumbo's neck, editorials in newspapers across the country -- the New York Times, the Austin-American Statesman, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune -- declared him a victim of vitriolic right-wing gun lunatics. But Zumbo opted not to cash in on his newfound martyrdom. On the contrary. He declared that he was "dead wrong" in his blog. The day he wrote it, he explained, he'd been "beat up by 60 mph winds." He was "tired and exhausted," he pleaded. He "should have gone to bed early." Instead, he committed the "greatest blunder" of his long career.

This litany of apologies went on for days. He logged into the chat room on Ted Nugent's Web site and announced plans to purchase an assault rifle and to enroll in tactical training courses to learn how to use it. He and the Nuge, normally an avid bowhunter, confirmed plans to go on a hunting trip using AR-15s. Zumbo vowed to "seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance."

Having metastasized into a national news event, the Zumbo affair has been portrayed as a story about the rift between gun owners, or as Zumbo put it, between "hunters and shooters." As an avid hunter who gets the the bulk of his dietary protein through the use of firearms, I see the story quite differently. To me, the Zumbo controversy illuminates the perpetual misunderstanding on the part of the American public about the role of firearms in hunting, and I want to use it as an opportunity to clear up some of that confusion. While Zumbo's desperate about-face on assault rifles is sadly comic, many of his critics, despite their own reactionary ways, have a point. Assault rifles are not anathema to responsible hunting. In fact, the last nine or 10 decades' worth of wildlife conservation laws have rendered the assault weapon monster moot. But there remains one enemy to hunting that is far more malicious than any weapon, and that is a failure on everyone's part to protect wildlife and wildlife habitats.

First off, no one really knows how to define "assault weapon." At best, the designation is based on cosmetics. A major misunderstanding about hunting guns revolves around the use of "automatic." Automatic guns fall under two categories: fully automatic and semi-automatic. Fully automatic guns are otherwise known as machine guns. When the trigger is depressed, the weapon discharges a steady stream of bullets until the trigger is released or the gun runs out of ammo. It's very difficult to obtain a machine gun and you can't use them for hunting. In the state of New York, for instance, not only are fully automatic guns prohibited as hunting weapons, you can't hunt big game with a gun that holds more than six rounds of ammunition. Because of federal rules that apply to all states, it's illegal to hunt migratory waterfowl with a gun that is capable of holding more than three rounds.

Next page: It's not "assault" weapons that threaten hunting today

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[Spider]

In some corner , W*GS and Nugent are dressed up in Camouflage....... curled up in a fetal position shouting ..........Damn you Spider .......... and your anti fully automatic assault rifles bullshít .............

[W*GS]

I don't quite see the point of the article, except to show how out-of-touch, elitist, and left-wing BB and Spider are.

Zumbo was wrong, and 'fessed up.

PS - One thing to get lefties all riled up - the phrase "assault weapon". It does to them what "gay marriage" does to religionoid righties. A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I don't quite see the point of the article, except to show how out-of-touch, elitist, and left-wing BB and Spider are.

bottom line is I am right you dont need a fully automatic assault weapon ............it is a burden being right all the time , but I manage ...........

[yavoon]

is this all some weird tie into a meta-issue w/ the second amendment? I hear in africa u can hunt animals w/ .50 cal machine guns from helicopters. now thats hunting!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Zumbo was wrong, and 'fessed up.
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Zumbo was right but caved to the whiny asses that run gun America, nothing more.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

bottom line is I am right you dont need a fully automatic assault weapon ............

Fortunately for us, you don't get to determine what I need - the RKBA protects my right to a full-auto "assault" weapon.

Despite your whinings to the contrary.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Zumbo was right but caved to the whiny asses that run gun America, nothing more.

The RKBA isn't about hunting.

That you resort to such silliness to attempt to defend your incorrect views merely shows that you cannot do any better.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Fortunately for us, you don't get to determine what I need - the RKBA protects my right to a full-auto "assault" weapon.

Despite your whinings to the contrary.

Just cause a bunch of nut cases need to use fully auto assault rifles as a crutch doesnt make it right ..........

[W*GS]

Like I said, Spider - you got no leg to stand on...

Whether or not you like it, the RKBA says I can own a full-auto rifle if I so choose.

End of discussion.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Like I said, Spider - you got no leg to stand on...

Whether or not you like it, the RKBA says I can own a full-auto rifle if I so choose.

End of discussion.

soon , it will change .......... even you support gun control , remember the convo about Joe Gangbanger ........... it took some doing , but I got you to see the light .........

[REB]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............I don't get it...Who Cares?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by REB

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............I don't get it...Who Cares?

well in a nut shell here is my position .. you can have all the guns you want after you clear the 72 hour waiting period , and no fully automatic assault weapons ........ law abiding people should have the choice to own firearms , hunt , criminals shouldnt

[W*GS]

I see Spider is back to his usual alcohol-fueled Fantasyland... Where his ramblings make sense, he wins arguments, and he's a smart guy.

Back here in sober reality, we all know better.

[W*GS]

BTW, Spider - what's an "assault weapon"?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I see Spider is back to his usual alcohol-fueled Fantasyland... Where his ramblings make sense, he wins arguments, and he's a smart guy.

Back here in sober reality, we all know better.

ohhhh poor W*GYS , it is ok to be jealous ................

Originally Posted by Jealous of spider

BTW, Spider - what's an "assault weapon"?

the generic definition is selective fire weapon has nothing to do with range or power , but I love how you left off the fully automatic part , we both know why you did this , that part destroys your argument ........... pretty dishonest for someone in sober reality ..........

[W*GS]

What's the point of the Second Amendment to the Constitution, Spider?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

What's the point of the Second Amendment to the Constitution, Spider?

Lets get back to your dishonesty shall we .........That was pretty weak w*gs

[W*GS]

I wasn't being dishonest - and your reluctance to answer the question shows that you have some (faint) idea of how I'm going to destroy your argument.

What's the purpose of the RKBA, Spider?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

I wasn't being dishonest -

yes you was , and you have never ever destroyed one of my arguments , you just want to run off on some other rant ..... you are not not getting away with it ........you was very dishonest ........you know damn well or at least you should that therre is a difference in a fully auto , and a semi auto , to a single shot assault rifle ............

[W*GS]

What's the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, Spider?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by W*GS

What's the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, Spider?

tell me why you was dishonest W*GS ? ignorance or just flat out lying ?

[Spider]

chirp ,chirp chirp ..........even though you dont deserve an answer , i will answer your question , the second amendment is for Militias , you know what timmothy McViegh and Terry Nicholes belong to , minute men in Montana , even the KKK could fall into this ...............

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by W*GS

What's the point of the Second Amendment to the Constitution, Spider?

So state militias would have guns available to put down insurrections and external invaders.

[W*GS]

Interesting. Two collectivist interpretations of the RKBA.

Based on what?

Hint: The word "people" in the Second Amendment is no more collectivist than it is in the First Amendment.