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alkemical · 05-08-2007, 12:42 PM

Retired Marine preaches, says killing terrorists is an ‘act of love for our nation’

By Laura Followell
The Tribune-Star

TERRE HAUTE — According to retired U.S. Marine Col. J. Tyler Ryberg, the Bible contains messages about war and capital punishment. God is a powerful soldier.

Ryberg, who served in the Marines for more than 27 years, gave a sermon Sunday morning at Good Shepherd Baptist Church’s Armed Forces Day, where some of the 150 people in attendance often erupted with an “Amen!”

The colonel asked churchgoers if the global war on terrorism was a “just war” and a “God-ordained war,” which he later affirmed.

“We’re killing Islamic jihadists, bloodthirsty killers,” he said. “Peace is not an option. You don’t negotiate with bloodthirsty, jihadist killers.”

While he was in the Marines, Ryberg said, he was often asked, “If you’re a Christian, why do you want to go to war to kill people?” Ryberg said he wants Americans to understand that it’s an act of love to kill evil people who seek to kill Americans.

“If we do take their life, they will kill no more. It’s an act of love for our nation,” Ryberg said.

He explained the importance of government and said that without government, chaos would ensue.

“We are all sinful creatures with a sin nature,” he proclaimed. “Sinful mankind left unrestrained will cause chaos.”

Ryberg justified capital punishment and said it’s in the Bible. God ordains the principle of taking life as an instrument of his justice, he added.

“God gaveth long before our nation was born. It’s always been on the books. And [the Bible] is the highest law of the land,” Ryberg said. “And I want to let you know our Supreme Court, they’re not supreme, only God is. And [the Bible] is the supreme law of the land, and the buck stops here.”

The sound of shuffling Bible pages reverberated across the pews as Ryberg asked worshippers to note specific passages. Ryberg often referenced passages that he interpreted as relating to war and its justification.

He said that only God gives life and only God takes life, but said God gave Noah the right to take the life of an evil man who sheds innocent blood.

Ryberg said that Abraham fought the first biblical war in the word of God. He said God told Abraham to go to war with his “well-trained” servants, his army. Ryberg said God won that war by coming down and killing his enemies.

“There’s none other; there’s none higher; there’s none greater than our God,” Ryberg said.

“The only day we will have perfect peace is the day Jesus Christ comes back. … Our Lord’s coming back, folks,” he said.

Jerry Gibbons, who served in the Army for eight years, wanted to hear the colonel speak.

“I’m very impressed to see someone who has served that long on active duty and still have that much faith in God, our country and government,” Gibbons said.

Marcella Weaver said the sermon seemed to the point. To her, it justified war.

“God says that we are to help those being attacked by the bloodthirsty,” she said, “and it’s an act of love.”

Laura Followell can be reached at (812) 231-4253 or laura.followell@tribstar.com.

defenseman · 05-08-2007, 01:26 PM

And?....dman

Hotrod · 05-08-2007, 01:28 PM

Its certainly not like he said "kill anyone whos not christian"

Rohirrim · 05-08-2007, 02:06 PM

I'm not much of a Christian (actually, not at all) but I started out as a Catholic. But I've always wondered about this. It seems that many people like to pull out the OT when it suits their needs, but I would argue that the coming of Christ negates the OT. In fact, we call his teachings, the "New" testament. I would argue that Jesus' message negates the eye for an eye of the OT and the entire cosmos of the vengeful God of Abraham. Jesus brings an entirely new message of love, redemption and mercy. Of caring for the sick and the less privileged. Of turning our cheeks to greed and hatred and violence. Of drawing a line between what is God's, and what is Caesar's. True?

Hotrod · 05-08-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I'm not much of a Christian (actually, not at all) but I started out as a Catholic. But I've always wondered about this. It seems that many people like to pull out the OT when it suits their needs, but I would argue that the coming of Christ negates the OT. In fact, we call his teachings, the "New" testament. I would argue that Jesus' message negates the eye for an eye of the OT and the entire cosmos of the vengeful God of Abraham. Jesus brings an entirely new message of love, redemption and mercy. Of caring for the sick and the less privileged. Of turning our cheeks to greed and hatred and violence. Of drawing a line between what is God's, and what is Caesar's. True?

Ya know this is exactly what bothers me. Why the change in message?

alkemical · 05-08-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Its certainly not like he said "kill anyone whos not christian"

I find it odd how Jesus teaches peace, yet god wants war? Is jesus god's gay son?

Anyway, that was a bad joke above - i just find it funny how religion is used to validate killing. Kill for god, GOOD! Kill the wicked, GOOD!

clarkster · 05-09-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

I find it odd how Jesus teaches peace, yet god wants war? Is jesus god's gay son?

Anyway, that was a bad joke above - i just find it funny how religion is used to validate killing. Kill for god, GOOD! Kill the wicked, GOOD!

its all in the translation. seriously, reading the bible is almost like reading a Navy instruction. (my brothers that served/serve know what im talking about) i can spin it anyway i need it to work for my needs at that time.
im sure if i look hard enough, i can find something in the bible that tells me to leave my wife and get a 17 yr old russian mail order bride.

hmmm, now that i think about it, maybe i better take a closer look

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-09-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by clarkster

its all in the translation. seriously, reading the bible is almost like reading a Navy instruction. (my brothers that served/serve know what im talking about) i can spin it anyway i need it to work for my needs at that time.
im sure if i look hard enough, i can find something in the bible that tells me to leave my wife and get a 17 yr old russian mail order bride.
hmmm, now that i think about it, maybe i better take a closer look

Really? So basically it can mean anything any "Christian" wants it to mean?

clarkster · 05-09-2007, 08:41 AM

yep.if youre asking me.

hard to deny that though with some of the nuts that are out there, like the baptist church in KS that protest funerals, or any other religious kook out there thats killed in the name of the Lord(whomever it may be for that person)
youve actually read the bible right? at least parts of it(thats me, i dont pick it up and read like a book, i thuumb through until i find a passage thats interesting to me). i think its pretty open ended

defenseman · 05-09-2007, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarkster

its all in the translation. seriously, reading the bible is almost like reading a Navy instruction. (my brothers that served/serve know what im talking about) i can spin it anyway i need it to work for my needs at that time.
im sure if i look hard enough, i can find something in the bible that tells me to leave my wife and get a 17 yr old russian mail order bride.

hmmm, now that i think about it, maybe i better take a closer look

Well, to a point. Running reactors is a one way science. It's either wrong, or right. And if it's wrong, someone pays dearly..dman

alkemical · 05-09-2007, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarkster

its all in the translation. seriously, reading the bible is almost like reading a Navy instruction. (my brothers that served/serve know what im talking about) i can spin it anyway i need it to work for my needs at that time.
im sure if i look hard enough, i can find something in the bible that tells me to leave my wife and get a 17 yr old russian mail order bride.

hmmm, now that i think about it, maybe i better take a closer look

lol - no i agree w/you in alot of regards on that -

DBruleU · 05-09-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I'm not much of a Christian (actually, not at all) but I started out as a Catholic. But I've always wondered about this. It seems that many people like to pull out the OT when it suits their needs, but I would argue that the coming of Christ negates the OT. In fact, we call his teachings, the "New" testament. I would argue that Jesus' message negates the eye for an eye of the OT and the entire cosmos of the vengeful God of Abraham. Jesus brings an entirely new message of love, redemption and mercy. Of caring for the sick and the less privileged. Of turning our cheeks to greed and hatred and violence. Of drawing a line between what is God's, and what is Caesar's. True?

You'd still argue that even though Jesus Himself said during his ministry that he didn't come to do away with the old law? Interesting.

05-08-2007, 12:42 PM	#1
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Love your country, kill terrorists! Retired Marine preaches, says killing terrorists is an ‘act of love for our nation’ By Laura Followell The Tribune-Star TERRE HAUTE — According to retired U.S. Marine Col. J. Tyler Ryberg, the Bible contains messages about war and capital punishment. God is a powerful soldier. Ryberg, who served in the Marines for more than 27 years, gave a sermon Sunday morning at Good Shepherd Baptist Church’s Armed Forces Day, where some of the 150 people in attendance often erupted with an “Amen!” The colonel asked churchgoers if the global war on terrorism was a “just war” and a “God-ordained war,” which he later affirmed. “We’re killing Islamic jihadists, bloodthirsty killers,” he said. “Peace is not an option. You don’t negotiate with bloodthirsty, jihadist killers.” While he was in the Marines, Ryberg said, he was often asked, “If you’re a Christian, why do you want to go to war to kill people?” Ryberg said he wants Americans to understand that it’s an act of love to kill evil people who seek to kill Americans. “If we do take their life, they will kill no more. It’s an act of love for our nation,” Ryberg said. He explained the importance of government and said that without government, chaos would ensue. “We are all sinful creatures with a sin nature,” he proclaimed. “Sinful mankind left unrestrained will cause chaos.” Ryberg justified capital punishment and said it’s in the Bible. God ordains the principle of taking life as an instrument of his justice, he added. “God gaveth long before our nation was born. It’s always been on the books. And [the Bible] is the highest law of the land,” Ryberg said. “And I want to let you know our Supreme Court, they’re not supreme, only God is. And [the Bible] is the supreme law of the land, and the buck stops here.” The sound of shuffling Bible pages reverberated across the pews as Ryberg asked worshippers to note specific passages. Ryberg often referenced passages that he interpreted as relating to war and its justification. He said that only God gives life and only God takes life, but said God gave Noah the right to take the life of an evil man who sheds innocent blood. Ryberg said that Abraham fought the first biblical war in the word of God. He said God told Abraham to go to war with his “well-trained” servants, his army. Ryberg said God won that war by coming down and killing his enemies. “There’s none other; there’s none higher; there’s none greater than our God,” Ryberg said. “The only day we will have perfect peace is the day Jesus Christ comes back. … Our Lord’s coming back, folks,” he said. Jerry Gibbons, who served in the Army for eight years, wanted to hear the colonel speak. “I’m very impressed to see someone who has served that long on active duty and still have that much faith in God, our country and government,” Gibbons said. Marcella Weaver said the sermon seemed to the point. To her, it justified war. “God says that we are to help those being attacked by the bloodthirsty,” she said, “and it’s an act of love.” Laura Followell can be reached at (812) 231-4253 or laura.followell@tribstar.com.

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05-08-2007, 01:26 PM	#2
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	And?....dman

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Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	Its certainly not like he said "kill anyone whos not christian"

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,113	I'm not much of a Christian (actually, not at all) but I started out as a Catholic. But I've always wondered about this. It seems that many people like to pull out the OT when it suits their needs, but I would argue that the coming of Christ negates the OT. In fact, we call his teachings, the "New" testament. I would argue that Jesus' message negates the eye for an eye of the OT and the entire cosmos of the vengeful God of Abraham. Jesus brings an entirely new message of love, redemption and mercy. Of caring for the sick and the less privileged. Of turning our cheeks to greed and hatred and violence. Of drawing a line between what is God's, and what is Caesar's. True?

05-09-2007, 08:41 AM	#9
clarkster Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 4,013	yep.if youre asking me. hard to deny that though with some of the nuts that are out there, like the baptist church in KS that protest funerals, or any other religious kook out there thats killed in the name of the Lord(whomever it may be for that person) youve actually read the bible right? at least parts of it(thats me, i dont pick it up and read like a book, i thuumb through until i find a passage thats interesting to me). i think its pretty open ended