Broncos | Team still working on deal with Washington - The Orange Mane

HEAV · 03-07-2007, 05:39 PM

Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:41:49 -0800

Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins and Denver Broncos are actively trying to work out a deal, with the Broncos seeking the No. 6 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft and the Redskins looking to acquire CB Dre' Bly. The Broncos tried to offer LB Al Wilson and a package of draft picks for the Redskins' high draft pick, but the deal fell through when the Redskins opted to sign LB London Fletcher-Baker instead of trading for Wilson. Also, the Redskins have offered CB Shawn Springs in a deal for Bly, but the Broncos are not willing to give the Redskins cap relief for the $7.5 million charge they would receive by trading Springs. With both teams still coveting their targets, and with Bly still reportedly looking to play in Washington, it is still possible for some kind of swap involving Bly and the Redskins' first-round pick to happen before the draft.

Hercules Rockefeller · 03-07-2007, 05:41 PM

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53868

Inkana7 · 03-07-2007, 05:41 PM

WTF? Wilson? Say it ain't so!

Cito Pelon · 03-07-2007, 05:46 PM

Sure, make Wash sweat. They seem to get antsy and cave in. I'd still like to see Bly here. I haven't followed this Bly saga too closely, but apparently Denver is not going to offer him a nice 5-yr conract, but Wash will? Is that what's irritating Bly? If that is the case, I guess I don't understand why Denver doesn't offer him a nice extension. Just have to wait to see how it comes out, I guess.

doof · 03-07-2007, 05:54 PM

Is this guy the only one with any sort of information on this supposed trade? I haven't read anything from anywhere else regarding swapping picks and every other article regarding the Bly scenerio refer back to the washington post. Things seem to be awfully quiet on this side of the fence, as usual.

Ratboy · 03-07-2007, 05:54 PM

Wilson is good, but he's getting older and is not the best Linebacker on our team (He wears #55). We'll get the #6 pick, but people aren't going to like what we give up for it.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 03-07-2007, 05:54 PM

Looks like the Post is just cutting and pasting old reports and calling them 'new'.

F the Redskins. If they want Bly that badly, then they need to be prepared to be taken to the cleaners over this.

It's gotten to be pretty funny that the only news on any of this is coming from what the Post is disseminating. I'm thinking there's someone behind these beat guys that's pushing them to keep this story and the rumors alive.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-07-2007, 05:55 PM

Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

Odysseus · 03-07-2007, 05:56 PM

I hope the Broncos draft a serious linebacker regardless.

Steve Sewell · 03-07-2007, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Sure, make Wash sweat. They seem to get antsy and cave in. I'd still like to see Bly here. I haven't followed this Bly saga too closely, but apparently Denver is not going to offer him a nice 5-yr conract, but Wash will? Is that what's irritating Bly? If that is the case, I guess I don't understand why Denver doesn't offer him a nice extension. Just have to wait to see how it comes out, I guess.

1) He would be a number 1 corner on most teams in the league.

2) Because of this, he wants #1 corner money and I don't blame him...this is his last opportunity at a big payday.

3) The Broncos already have a #1 corner who they are paying #1 corner money to. They can't afford to pay the other corner #1 corner money.

sirhcyennek81 · 03-07-2007, 06:00 PM

Unless Denver knew getting bly would give them leverage in getting the 6th overall selection. Sometimes to be a fly on the wall in the War room would be interesting.

Ratboy · 03-07-2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

Holy ****.. Could we end up with the #2 pick?

HEAV · 03-07-2007, 06:03 PM

I'll miss AW. But age is an issue, along with injury (thumb) the past few years.

orinjkrush · 03-07-2007, 06:05 PM

i may be wrong here, but aren't we in the driver's seat on this one?

sirhcyennek81 · 03-07-2007, 06:06 PM

So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...

55CrushEm · 03-07-2007, 06:09 PM

Wonder how Al Wilson feels about this ? Hope he isn't too pissed off at management for trying to trade him, if he winds up staying here.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 03-07-2007, 06:09 PM

Totally in the driver's seat.

Bly was a Bronco for life. He'll be missed if traded.

FloridaResident · 03-07-2007, 06:12 PM

could we afford to pick up Briggs if Al wilson is gone?

Rohirrim · 03-07-2007, 06:14 PM

I don't get all the picks being thrown around in this discussion. As I figure it, the #6 pick is worth 1600 points. Dre Bly was drafted at 41, which is worth approx. 500 points. He's been a top DB in the NFL and went to the pro bowl in 2004, so that kicks his worth up into the low first round, say 700 points. That makes Bly plus the Broncos first round pick worth approx. 1500 point. Why the hell would they be discussing throwing in second round picks, third round picks and picks next year? Seems to me they are not much more than 100 points apart. That's less than the Broncos' second third rounder.

Ratboy · 03-07-2007, 06:17 PM

Imagine..

Broncos send Bly, 1st (21), and 3rd (70) for #6 and Springs.

Broncos then trade Springs, #6 and our other 3rd for #2.

Jets would be knocking on our door for the #2 pick and we could take away Vilma from them

NFLBRONCO · 03-07-2007, 06:19 PM

Stop it guys your getting me too excited the thought of moving Wilson too. Make it happen Wilson is getting old.

footstepsfrom#27 · 03-07-2007, 06:21 PM

That trade scenario makes no sense at all. Wilson may have lost a step but he's a pro bowl MLB and they don't grow on trees. If we are this anxious to get to the #6 or higher pick, it obviously would mean there is a specific player they want. Who could that be? It doesn't seem likely it's Joe Thomas because Shanny would rather dumpster dive for those guys. Peterson? No...we just signed our every down running back and gave him millions. Calvin Johnson? Barring some miracle he won't be there at #6 and even if we were able to trade all the way to #2, aren't we pretty set at receiver with Walker and Marshall? Whose left? Our draft history says we wouldn't move that high for a defensive tackle so it's not Branch...could it be Gaines or Jamal Anderson? Again...we almost never draft D-linemen in the first round and have never moved up for one. There are no linebackers or D-backs worthy of a move all the way to #6 which includes sacrificing a pro bowl LB, another pro bowl playe in Bly and the #21 pick.

No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else.

But what is it?

eddie mac · 03-07-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...

The 6th pick for 21, Wilson and Bly. No ****** way. Plus you're valuing Springs far higher than Bly in that trade (no chance). Al is worth at least a high 2nd rd pick, whilst we probably value Bly as high as a late 2nd/early 3rd.

FloridaResident · 03-07-2007, 06:22 PM

vilma and DJ playing together?? OH MAN!!!

The MVPlaya · 03-07-2007, 06:22 PM

Al Wilson is only 30, relax. We don't need a new LB corp this year, but if Shanahan/Bates have some sort of strategy involoving a dynamic LB in the rotation, than maybe we could draft a LB...but if we move up to #2 or #6 there is NO LB at that point worth taking.

This is a dline draft.

Can someone link it up with the chart that shows what each draft pick is worth? (points)

03-07-2007, 06:14 PM	#19
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,791	I don't get all the picks being thrown around in this discussion. As I figure it, the #6 pick is worth 1600 points. Dre Bly was drafted at 41, which is worth approx. 500 points. He's been a top DB in the NFL and went to the pro bowl in 2004, so that kicks his worth up into the low first round, say 700 points. That makes Bly plus the Broncos first round pick worth approx. 1500 point. Why the hell would they be discussing throwing in second round picks, third round picks and picks next year? Seems to me they are not much more than 100 points apart. That's less than the Broncos' second third rounder. Last edited by Rohirrim; 03-07-2007 at 06:16 PM..

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03-07-2007, 05:39 PM	#1
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Broncos \| Team still working on deal with Washington Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:41:49 -0800 Jason La Canfora, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins and Denver Broncos are actively trying to work out a deal, with the Broncos seeking the No. 6 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft and the Redskins looking to acquire CB Dre' Bly. The Broncos tried to offer LB Al Wilson and a package of draft picks for the Redskins' high draft pick, but the deal fell through when the Redskins opted to sign LB London Fletcher-Baker instead of trading for Wilson. Also, the Redskins have offered CB Shawn Springs in a deal for Bly, but the Broncos are not willing to give the Redskins cap relief for the $7.5 million charge they would receive by trading Springs. With both teams still coveting their targets, and with Bly still reportedly looking to play in Washington, it is still possible for some kind of swap involving Bly and the Redskins' first-round pick to happen before the draft.

03-07-2007, 05:41 PM	#2
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=53868

03-07-2007, 05:41 PM	#3
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,229 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	WTF? Wilson? Say it ain't so!

03-07-2007, 05:46 PM	#4
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,192 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Sure, make Wash sweat. They seem to get antsy and cave in. I'd still like to see Bly here. I haven't followed this Bly saga too closely, but apparently Denver is not going to offer him a nice 5-yr conract, but Wash will? Is that what's irritating Bly? If that is the case, I guess I don't understand why Denver doesn't offer him a nice extension. Just have to wait to see how it comes out, I guess.

03-07-2007, 05:54 PM	#5
doof Solid Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 214	Is this guy the only one with any sort of information on this supposed trade? I haven't read anything from anywhere else regarding swapping picks and every other article regarding the Bly scenerio refer back to the washington post. Things seem to be awfully quiet on this side of the fence, as usual.

03-07-2007, 05:54 PM	#6
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,275	Wilson is good, but he's getting older and is not the best Linebacker on our team (He wears #55). We'll get the #6 pick, but people aren't going to like what we give up for it.

03-07-2007, 05:54 PM	#7
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	Looks like the Post is just cutting and pasting old reports and calling them 'new'. F the Redskins. If they want Bly that badly, then they need to be prepared to be taken to the cleaners over this. It's gotten to be pretty funny that the only news on any of this is coming from what the Post is disseminating. I'm thinking there's someone behind these beat guys that's pushing them to keep this story and the rumors alive.

03-07-2007, 05:55 PM	#8
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Z560 radio host is reporting the proposal also involves Detroit who would end up with Springs.

03-07-2007, 05:56 PM	#9
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	I hope the Broncos draft a serious linebacker regardless.

03-07-2007, 06:00 PM	#11
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Unless Denver knew getting bly would give them leverage in getting the 6th overall selection. Sometimes to be a fly on the wall in the War room would be interesting.

03-07-2007, 06:03 PM	#13
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	I'll miss AW. But age is an issue, along with injury (thumb) the past few years.

03-07-2007, 06:05 PM	#14
orinjkrush ... Prospects for the future... Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DistrictOfCorruption Posts: 4,913 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben Garland	i may be wrong here, but aren't we in the driver's seat on this one?

03-07-2007, 06:06 PM	#15
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	So...we send Wilson, Bly and 21 to Detroit, who sends Washington the 2 pick and Bly in exchange for Springs and the 6th Pick, who gives us the 6th pick in return...

03-07-2007, 06:09 PM	#16
55CrushEm Wolverine or Superman? Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: North of Boston, MA Posts: 5,590 Adopt-a-Bronco: "Squid"Quan	Wonder how Al Wilson feels about this ? Hope he isn't too pissed off at management for trying to trade him, if he winds up staying here.

03-07-2007, 06:12 PM	#18
FloridaResident Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 210 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	could we afford to pick up Briggs if Al wilson is gone?

03-07-2007, 06:17 PM	#20
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,275	Imagine.. Broncos send Bly, 1st (21), and 3rd (70) for #6 and Springs. Broncos then trade Springs, #6 and our other 3rd for #2. Jets would be knocking on our door for the #2 pick and we could take away Vilma from them

03-07-2007, 06:19 PM	#21
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	Stop it guys your getting me too excited the thought of moving Wilson too. Make it happen Wilson is getting old.

03-07-2007, 06:21 PM	#22
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,116 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	That trade scenario makes no sense at all. Wilson may have lost a step but he's a pro bowl MLB and they don't grow on trees. If we are this anxious to get to the #6 or higher pick, it obviously would mean there is a specific player they want. Who could that be? It doesn't seem likely it's Joe Thomas because Shanny would rather dumpster dive for those guys. Peterson? No...we just signed our every down running back and gave him millions. Calvin Johnson? Barring some miracle he won't be there at #6 and even if we were able to trade all the way to #2, aren't we pretty set at receiver with Walker and Marshall? Whose left? Our draft history says we wouldn't move that high for a defensive tackle so it's not Branch...could it be Gaines or Jamal Anderson? Again...we almost never draft D-linemen in the first round and have never moved up for one. There are no linebackers or D-backs worthy of a move all the way to #6 which includes sacrificing a pro bowl LB, another pro bowl playe in Bly and the #21 pick. No trade scenario make sense for us to get that high at this point so I think it's a Shanahan smoke screen for something else. But what is it?

03-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#24
FloridaResident Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 210 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	vilma and DJ playing together?? OH MAN!!!

03-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#25
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	Al Wilson is only 30, relax. We don't need a new LB corp this year, but if Shanahan/Bates have some sort of strategy involoving a dynamic LB in the rotation, than maybe we could draft a LB...but if we move up to #2 or #6 there is NO LB at that point worth taking. This is a dline draft. Can someone link it up with the chart that shows what each draft pick is worth? (points)