|03-01-2007, 02:17 AM||#1|
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Join Date: Jan 2006
proposed Florida State law would ban the use of the phrase 'illegal alien'
may I suggest they substitute that with the phrase 'criminal.'
Bill would mandate nicer term for illegals
By Bill Cotterell
news-press.com Tallahassee bureau
Originally posted on February 27, 2007
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TALLAHASSEE -- A state legislator whose district is home to thousands of Caribbean immigrants wants to ban the term "illegal alien" from the state's official documents.
"I personally find the word 'alien' offensive when applied to individuals, especially to children," said Sen. Frederica Wilson, D-Miami. "An alien to me is someone from out of space."
She has introduced a bill providing that: "A state agency or official may not use the term 'illegal alien' in an official document of the state." There would be no penalty for using the words.
In Miami-Dade County, Wilson said, "we don't say 'alien,' we say 'immigrant.'"
She said she encountered the situation when trying to pass a bill allowing children of foreigners to get in-state tuition at colleges and universities. Wilson, who directs a dropout prevention and education program in Miami, said she politely asks witnesses at public hearings on such issues not to use the term.
"There are students in our schools whose parents are trying to become citizens and we shouldn't label them," she said. "They are immigrants, through no fault of their own, not aliens."
Wilson said the first word isn't as bad as the second.
"'Illegal,' I can live with, but I like 'undocumented' better," she said.
Asked if her bill (SB 2154) might run afoul of Gov. Charlie Crist's "plain speaking" mandate for government agencies, Wilson said, "I think getting rid of 'alien' would be plain speaking."
|03-01-2007, 02:19 AM||#2|
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder
Beats calling them chillie choken pepper bellys
|03-01-2007, 03:00 AM||#3|
Join Date: Dec 2002
Real-life examples of Newspeak
A comparison to Newspeak may arguably be seen in political rhetoric, where two opposing sides string together phrases so empty of meaning that they may be compared to the taunts young children toss back and forth. The arguments of either side ultimately reduce to "I'm good; he's bad."
Politically correct euphemisms
Charges of Newspeak are sometimes advanced when a group tries to replace a word/phrase that is politically unsuitable (e.g. "civilian casualties") or offensive (e.g. "murder") with an alternative, inoffensive euphemism (e.g. "collateral damage"), or falsely innocuous (as in "liquidate the kulaks" or "resettle the Jews", as used by Communists and Nazis, respectively, to conceal their democides).
Some people maintain that to make certain words or phrases "unspeakable" (thoughtcrime) through the attempt to make language politically correct restricts what ideas may be held (Newspeak) and is therefore tantamount to censorship. Others believe that expunging terms that have fallen out of favor or become insulting will make people less likely to hold "outdated" or offensive views.
Either way, there is a resemblance between political correctness and Newspeak, although some may feel that they differ in their intentions: in Nineteen Eighty-Four, Newspeak is instituted to enhance the power of the state over the individual; politically correct language, on the other hand, is said by supporters to free individuals from stereotypical preconceptions caused by the use of prejudicial terminology. It is this attempt to change thought through changing (or eliminating) words that earns political correctness the connection to Newspeak.
For many, there exist striking instances where Orwell's speculations have matched with reality. Orwell suggested that all philosophies prior to Ingsoc (English Socialism) would be covered under the term "oldthink", bearing with it none of the nuances of these ideologies, but simply a connotation of badness. It is argued that since the end of the Second World War and the Cold War, a similar effect has been wrought on the words "fascism" and "communism"; that communism no longer bears with it the doctrines of Marx, Engels, or Lenin, but rather a general bad connotation. Likewise, they contend that few people are aware of the differences between the theories of government of Mussolini, Dollfuß, Franco, and Hitler; all are placed under the blanket term "fascism" or "nazism" with only a general denotation of badness.
In the Spanish Civil War, the both parties called each other with dysphemistical names. Perhaps the best description is it began as a conflict of Republicans and Nationalists, and ended up as a war of Communists and Fascists.
Political groups often use neologisms to frame their views positively and to discredit their opponents' views. In the U.S. abortion debates, those advocating restrictions on abortion label themselves "pro-life," leaving their opponents presumably "anti-life" or "pro-death." Conversely, those advocating greater availability of abortion call themselves "pro-choice," leaving their opponents "anti-choice".
In modern business, it is often frowned upon to use words with a negative connotation, such as "problem" and instead problems are referred to as "challenges", "obstacles", or even "opportunities". EnergySolutions is one of several companies responsible for storing nuclear waste in Utah's West desert. Before merging with other companies in 2006 and changing its name, the company was called Envirocare.
|03-01-2007, 09:47 AM||#4|
Join Date: Apr 2001
Doublethink is an integral concept in George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, and is the act of holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously, fervently believing both.
According to the novel, doublethink is:
“ The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. ”
Another quote from the novel, when Winston starts to think about doublethink as he exercises:
“ His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy; to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the art of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved using doublethink. ”
As Orwell explains in the book, the Party could not protect its iron grip on power without degrading its people and exposing them to constant propaganda. Yet, knowledge of this brutality and deception, even within the Party itself, could lead to disgusted collapse of the state from within. For this reason, Orwell's idealized government used a complex system of "reality control". Though the novel is most famous for its pervasive surveillance of daily life, reality control meant that the population (all of it, including the ruling elite) could be controlled and manipulated merely through the alteration of everyday language and thought. Newspeak was the method for controlling thought through language; doublethink was the method of controlling thought directly.
Newspeak itself incorporated doublethink, as it contained many words that create assumed associations between contradictory meanings. That is especially true of words of fundamental importance, such as 'good / evil', 'right / wrong', 'truth / falsehood', and 'justice / injustice'.
Doublethink was a form of trained, willful blindness to contradictions in a system of beliefs. Doublethink differed from ordinary hypocrisy in that the person who was "doublethinking" had to deliberately forget the contradiction between his two opposing beliefs — and then deliberately forget the fact that he had forgotten it. He then had to forget the forgetting of the forgetting, and so on; this process of intentional forgetting, once begun, continued indefinitely. Orwell describes this endless process as a kind of "controlled insanity."
In the case of workers at the Records Department in the Ministry of Truth, it meant being able to falsify public records, and then believe in the new history which they themselves had written. (As revealed in Goldstein's Book, the name of this Ministry is itself an example of doublethink: the Ministry is really concerned with lies.)
Additionally, doublethink's self-deception allowed the Party to maintain both huge goals and realistic expectations: "If one is to rule, and to continue ruling, one must be able to dislocate the sense of reality. For the secret of rulership is to combine a belief in one's own infallibility with the power to learn from past mistakes." Thus, each party member could be a credulous pawn, but would never lack relevant information. The party is both fanatical and well informed, and thus unlikely either to "ossify" or "grow soft" and collapse. Doublethink would avoid a "Killing the messenger" attitude that could disturb the Command structure. Doublethink thus functioned as a key tool of self-discipline for the Party, to complement the state-imposed discipline of propaganda and a police state. Together, these tools hid the government's evil not only from the people, but also from the government itself, but without the confusion and misinformation associated with more primitive totalitarian regimes.
Doublethink was critical in allowing the Party to know what its true goals were without recoiling from them, avoiding the conflation of a regime's egalitarian propaganda with its purpose.
Over the years since Nineteen Eighty-Four was published, the term doublethink has grown to be synonymous with relieving cognitive dissonance by simply ignoring the contradiction between two worldviews. Some schools of psychotherapy such as cognitive therapy encourage people to alter their own thoughts as a way of treating different psychological maladies. See cognitive distortions. In many ways, these recent developments represent the final triumph of the author,[attribution needed] whose novel was not meant to predict either the future or a possible future, but to take the cognitive dissonance he saw in 1948 and show it in a futuristic setting.
 Real-world doublethink
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Some people think that doublethink is a concept unique to Nineteen Eighty-Four, and others think that it is a real psychological function. Among those who consider doublethink real, there are two conflicting definitions:
"believing contradictory beliefs for reasons of practicality, convenience, and/or emotional stability" or
"enjoying the malicious pleasure of the contrast between what one believes to be true and what one knows to be true."
Both of the above can be observed to exist.
The second definition explains the affinity for opposites (e.g. war is peace, freedom is slavery, etc.), because opposites maximize the contrast with the truth. It also explains Newspeak words that consist of two contradictory definitions, especially among words of fundamental importance such as 'truth / deception', 'good / evil', etc, as such malicious doublethink creates an affinity for making such deceptions deeply ingrained in one's thinking, and therefore very subtle. The main antagonist in Nineteen Eighty-Four, 'O'Brien', made explicit note of such maliciously deceptive subtlety when he told Winston that (paraphrased) 'in the future, the oppression will come in increasingly subtle forms'. That means that the second definition is closer to the doublethink of Nineteen Eighty-Four, but the similarity with the first definition is also notable.
Some people also believe the dialectic to be an example of real-world doublethink.
|03-01-2007, 10:29 AM||#5|
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mile High
Un-documented They have "real" documents, .....and fake ones!
Illegal, yes they broke the law, hence the term.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
al·ien /ˈeɪlyən, ˈeɪliən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[eyl-yuhn, ey-lee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen).
2. a foreigner.
3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.
–adjective 5. residing under a government or in a country other than that of one's birth without having or obtaining the status of citizenship there.
6. belonging or relating to aliens: alien property.
7. unlike one's own; strange; not belonging to one: alien speech.
8. adverse; hostile; opposed (usually fol. by to or from): ideas alien to modern thinking.
What dictionary is Frederica using
They are what they are....ILLEGAL, ALIENS, and they are documented!
|03-01-2007, 05:37 PM||#6|
Join Date: Apr 2006
|03-02-2007, 11:47 PM||#8|
Rocky Mountain Thunder
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: United States
this type of legislation is aimed at "minimizing" the stigma of the presence of illegals in the U.S. and make it seem more tolerable.
the Bank of America credit card program targeting illegals is another perfect example of that.
boycott B of A.
|03-03-2007, 12:44 AM||#9|
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Join Date: May 2004
Evidently Florida doesn't have real problems to do except padd the law books even more with useless laws.
It is considered an offense to shower naked.
It is illegal to block any traveled wagon road.
Women may be fined for falling asleep under a hair dryer, as can the salon owner.
If an elephant is left tied to a parking meter, the parking fee has to be paid just as it would for a vehicle.
It is illegal to sing in a public place while attired in a swimsuit.
You may not fart in a public place after 6 P.M. on Thursdays.
Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.
It is illegal to skateboard without a license.
A special law prohibits unmarried women from parachuting on Sunday or she shall risk arrest, fine, and/or jailing.
Having sexual relations with a porcupine is illegal.
|03-03-2007, 04:42 PM||#10|
Join Date: Dec 2002
Why is this considered just a crazy Florida law? Pueblo has the same kind of
law, has had it for years. Back in 1970 I had to get rid of a a 1955 Dodge
I had in our back yard because of that law. The idea was to make the
# Sec. 22-44. Storage, depositing prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person, either as owner, occupant, lessee, agent, tenant, or otherwise, to store or deposit, or cause or permit to be stored or deposited, any abandoned, junked or discarded motor vehicle or motor vehicles upon any public or private property within the city. (Code 1955, � 20-11)
|03-07-2007, 11:43 AM||#11|
Join Date: May 2006
This is just stupid. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!! Should we start refering to communists as "slightly conservative people who share alot"?