Do Atheists Find Anything Wrong With Pedophilia?

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by OregonBronco

Why did you imply atheists are inherently pedophiles?

Ah ha, I never implied that atheists were pedophiles. I just asked whether they found anything wrong with it. Remember, it justs two animals going at it.

[OregonBronco]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Why do you keep assuming that I am Christian or proclaiming a certain religion is correct?

So are you actually an atheist and you're just trying to convince yourself pedophilia is ok?

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by OregonBronco

So are you actually an atheist and you're just trying to convince yourself pedophilia is ok?

Ahhh....no.

But you are an athiest, correct? So you don't see anything wrong with it, right? Just two animals going at it?

[OregonBronco]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Ah ha, I never implied that atheists were pedophiles. I just asked whether they found anything wrong with it. Remember, it justs two animals going at it.

Your title implies that you believe atheists have no problem with pedophilia. For example, if I made the following thread:

Does GonzoLays like to have sex with small children?

Would you not suggest that I'm implying you like to have sex with small children? Or how about:

Does Gonzo like to start threads just to mess with particular factions?

[broncocalijohn]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

I didn't ask whether atheists are going to follow the law of the land, just whether they find anything wrong with pedophilia. Remember, its just two animals going at it. What's the big deal in their minds?

Gonzo, an atheist would still have somewhat of a mind to know right and wrong. An adult having sex with a minor is wrong without knowing that a God exist or not. Humans are more than animals on this planet and use logic. Sometimes your posts conclude that isnt true though.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by OregonBronco

Your title implies that you believe atheists have no problem with pedophilia.

Do Atheists Find Anything Wrong With Pedophilia?

If so, why?

[OregonBronco]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Ahhh....no.

But you are an athiest, correct? So you don't see anything wrong with it, right? Just two animals going at it?

Firstly, I'm not an atheist. I don't claim to know the answers to all of lifes questions. Read my posts from this thread and you'd already know that.

Secondly, you're an idiot and I'm done with this thread.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by OregonBronco

Firstly, I'm not an atheist. I don't claim to know the answers to all of lifes questions. Read my posts from this thread and you'd already know that.

Secondly, you're an idiot and I'm done with this thread.

But you are an agnostic, correct? You believe that you cannot prove the exsitence of God so therefore you ___________?

a) Do not believe in the exsistence of a higher power
b) believe in a higher power despite the lack of evidence
c) you don't care either way

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Do Atheists Find Anything Wrong With Pedophilia?

If so, why?

Because children do not have the capacity to fully understand certain concepts, sexuality being one of them. Therefore, an adult with that knowledge who convinces a child to engage in a sex act with them is exploiting that child.

Why would an atheist care about such a thing? For no other reason than we care about about our fellow human beings. That's all. We don't need a god or gods wagging their finger at us.

[W*GS]

Yes, we do.

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by OregonBronco

Hammurabi, a Babylonian, received the laws from the sun god Shamash. So unless you subscribe to the ideas of the Babylonian gods, you are equally as fallible as an atheist. And if you do buy into the Babylonian gods, you implicitly deny the Christian god.

Also, many of the crimes in the Code of Hammurabi call for death. This directly refutes the 10 Commandments. Thou shall not kill, remember? Or is it thou shall not kill unless you have a really good reason?

No, its thou shall not MURDER, not kill. There is a difference.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

No, its thou shall not MURDER, not kill. There is a difference.

Christians need to point out this distinction often as evidenced in their support for war and capital punishment.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Yes, we do.

If so, why?

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

If so, why?

I told you, dummy.

[Dudeskey]

[Spider]

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

If so, why?

Because children haven't all the maturity and knowledge of adults, and thus cannot be considered to give informed consent.

What theism or atheism has to do with pedophilia is in your mind alone.

Besides, attempting to claim that ethics can only come from a God is an untrue premise.

[GonzoLays]

Originally Posted by W*GS

Because children haven't all the maturity and knowledge of adults, and thus cannot be considered to give informed consent.

What theism or atheism has to do with pedophilia is in your mind alone.

Besides, attempting to claim that ethics can only come from a God is an untrue premise.

You are not born with morals, so as I see it, your "moral consent base" has been taught to you by a religous society which you so despise. Your foundational principal of morality comes from religion. Ain't that a b****?

The basis of all current law goes back to divinely inspired law. How does it feel that you have to follow laws such as "thou shall not steal" because some fake God told you not to? There should be an atheist's revolt, no?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

You are not born with morals, so as I see it, your "moral consent base" has been taught to you by a religous society which you so despise.

The moral traditions of a society, by merely existing, does not grant them special worth. Would you say that children that grew up in Germany between 1933 and 1945 or so were given "moral" beliefs by that society?

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Your foundational principal of morality comes from religion. Ain't that a b****?

How a given person was raised and what ethical beliefs they have as adults are often related, yes, but are not guaranteed. Many atheists were raised in religious households, but that doesn't mean, in any way, that they have to accept (implicitly or explicitly) what they were taught as children, any more than being taught that whites are inherently superior to blacks as a child forces one to be racist as an adult. Some of us engage our reason and reject the religious beliefs of our childhood.

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The basis of all current law goes back to divinely inspired law.

So? You're conflating legality with morality. The two are related but distinct.

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

How does it feel that you have to follow laws such as "thou shall not steal" because some fake God told you not to? There should be an atheist's revolt, no?

Particularly strident sermon today on how atheists are amoral?

Makes one wonder how people raised in (say) Buddhist cultures manage to behave, doesn't it?

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

You are not born with morals, so as I see it, your "moral consent base" has been taught to you by a religous society which you so despise. Your foundational principal of morality comes from religion. Ain't that a b****?

The basis of all current law goes back to divinely inspired law. How does it feel that you have to follow laws such as "thou shall not steal" because some fake God told you not to? There should be an atheist's revolt, no?

And who inspired that concept of the divine?

Unless you believe some sun god actually came down from the heavens and dictated these laws to the babylons etc then it really was just people trying to come up with some concept of divinity to justify their already, inherent beliefs in morality.

I see what you're getting at, but you are making a tremendous assumption that atheists cannot come up with morality on their own. In the very least before the concepts of divinity were created, yes created, by people they had moral beliefs that were associated with a higher power but people still had to come up with that moral code when defining their new gods which would have made them godless but still moral beforehand.

[BroncoInferno]

Ethics emerged so young societies could operate under less chaos; religion and threats from dieites were mere tossed in to give further compellation to members of those societites to follow those laws.

[Rohirrim]

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

If it wasn't for religion, you would never know what the "right thing" was in the first place. If some "higher source" never gave us the laws, there would be no laws, you dig?

We need a "shakin head in disbelief" smilie. Are you really this dense, or just stirring the pot?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by GonzoLays

The basis of all current law goes back to divinely inspired law.

Man created God.

[freak6]

I just wasted 40 seconds skimming this worthless thread for something funny, now I just wasted 20 seconds typing this, 24 now.