To the people opposed to outsourcing...But there is a catch

[Meck77]

Are you opposed to the outsourcing of American jobs? I know many of you are as I've read the complaints here. So if you are in that camp I want to hear from you especially if you have kids.

This company http://tutorvista.com/ is outsourcing tutoring jobs to India. For relatively small fee of $99.00 a month your child can have unlimited tutoring via the internet/webcam with a well qualified live tutor from India.

There is no way you could get that level of service at that cost with an American tutor with a college degree.

I saw this on the local Denver news. The spokesman for the company says he has 12,000 qualified tutors ready to work. Their salary is $300.00/month.

So if you are opposed to job outsourcing to India and your kid is in desperate need of a good tutor what do you do?

Pay the $99.00 to India?
Pay 5-10 times that price to an American tutor?
Say the heck with it my kid can suffer on his own?

Discuss.....

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Are you opposed to the outsourcing of American jobs? I know many of you are as I've read the complaints here. So if you are in that camp I want to hear from you especially if you have kids.

This company http://tutorvista.com/ is outsourcing tutoring jobs to India. For relatively small fee of $99.00 a month your child can have unlimited tutoring via the internet/webcam with a well qualified live tutor from India.

There is no way you could get that level of service at that cost with an American tutor with a college degree.

I saw this on the local Denver news. The spokesman for the company says he has 12,000 qualified tutors ready to work. Their salary is $300.00/month.

So if you are opposed to job outsourcing to India and your kid is in desperate need of a good tutor what do you do?

Pay the $99.00 to India?
Pay 5-10 times that price to an American tutor?
Say the heck with it my kid can suffer on his own?

Discuss.....

it aint worth it ...... sorry tutoring is great , but not at the expense of Americans getting fired ..........

[Spider]

as for the kid suffering on their own , alot of situations require you to figure them out Problem solving , some times learning how to problem solve is far more better then a tutor ........

[Meck77]

So your childs success or failure and possibly the difference of making it into a college wouldn't be worth the cost of an American job?

The net benefit of your kid scoring a very high SAT score and possibly getting a scholarship isn't worth it? A scholarship could save your family tens of thousands of dollars in college tuition and a full time tutor 24/hrs a day would only cost $1,200 per year with this company. Still not worth it?

[spdirty]

My boys already have a tutor thats about as cheap as it gets...me.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by spdirty

My boys already have a tutor thats about as cheap as it gets...me.

Well I guess it's all a matter of how you value your time. If you are an attorney it could cost you as much as $250 an hour to tutor your kids as you could be billing your clients at that rate instead of forking out $99.00 a month!

If you are a plummer it might cost you $40/hr to tutor your kids. You get the drift.

The opportunity cost for most parents is WAY more than $99.00 a month IMO. Obviously tutoring a child is not just about a $ amount per hour but I'm looking at this from an economic "Net benefit" standpoint.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Well I guess it's all a matter of how you value your time. If you are an attorney it could cost you as much as $250 an hour to tutor your kids as you could be billing your clients at that rate instead of forking out $99.00 a month!

If you are a plummer it might cost you $40/hr to tutor your kids. You get the drift.

The opportunity cost for most parents is WAY more than $99.00 a month IMO. Obviously tutoring a child is not just about a $ amount per hour but I'm looking at this from an economic "Net benefit" standpoint.

Im on salary so it doesnt matter.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm sorry, but after dealing with foreign speaking people (mostly from India with their given "American name") posing as customer service reps for cable and everything else, I'll pass on having them trying to teach my children.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by spdirty

Im on salary so it doesnt matter.

ok I see you don't want to answer the thread....

There is an opportunity cost with every hour of your day whether you are on salary or not. Perhaps you should get an econ tutor to study the concept I'm trying to relate to you.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Meck77

So your childs success or failure and possibly the difference of making it into a college wouldn't be worth the cost of an American job?

The net benefit of your kid scoring a very high SAT score and possibly getting a scholarship isn't worth it? A scholarship could save your family tens of thousands of dollars in college tuition and a full time tutor 24/hrs a day would only cost $1,200 per year with this company. Still not worth it?

you are reading to much into this tutor business , you should know Problem solving goes alot further in the real world .......... Why is it everyone wants an easy out ?
Hard work , the feeling of accomplishment ..........

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

you are reading to much into this tutor business , you should know Problem solving goes alot further in the real world .......... Why is it everyone wants an easy out ?
Hard work , the feeling of accomplishment ..........

Spider with all due respect the real world/colleges is a very competitive business. You mean to tell me you have time and money needed to send all 6 of your kids to college?

You could potentially have all these kids WAY ahead of every other kid in Casper WY and line them ALL up with scholarships.

Tutoring isn't a substitute for learning. It's a tool. It can be used to get a child up to speed or it can be used to launch a kid thru Alegebra I onto Algerbra II while the other kids are farting around getting in trouble.

I seriously doubt most parents are capable of tutoring pre-calculus ( a course I took in high school). Heck I took several calculus courses in college and doubt I could even tutor my kid thru basic pre-calculus now. You either use it or you lose it.

If you read the thread topic the main point of this thread is not to determine whether your kid needs a tutor or not spider. It's whether you are willing to save alot of $ by outsourcing it to India.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Spider with all due respect the real world/colleges is a very competitive business. You mean to tell me you have time and money needed to send all 6 of your kids to college?

You could potentially have all these kids WAY ahead of every other kid in Casper WY and line them ALL up with scholarships.

Tutoring isn't a substitute for learning. It's a tool. It can be used to get a child up to speed or it can be used to launch a kid thru Alegebra I onto Algerbra II while the other kids are farting around getting in trouble.

I seriously doubt most parents are capable of tutoring pre-calculus ( a course I took in high school). Heck I took several calculus courses in college and doubt I could even tutor my kid thru basic pre-calculus now. You either use it or you lose it.

i got a little something put away ........

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Meck77

Are you opposed to the outsourcing of American jobs? I know many of you are as I've read the complaints here. So if you are in that camp I want to hear from you especially if you have kids.

I don't have kids, but what I don't like about it is at work I use a highly
specialized CAD/CAM software that costs us a thousand dollars each
year just to renew the support license. For years we got our tech
support from a company in Colorado Springs that was a subcontractor
for providing technical support to the software company. Friendly
people that gave us excellent service.
Then the software company got the bright idea to drop the guys
in Colorado Springs and go with someone else.
Total disaster for me because when I would call tech support I'd get some
guy or gal that was obviously an Indian. Nothing against Indians, they have
to eat too, but i could barely understand what they were saying and they
had a hard time understanding me. And most of the time I had no idea
why the software wasn't doing what I wanted it to do in the first
place, let alone try to explain why it wasn't doing it. And as I said,
this is highly specialized, expensive software that I had been using
for years, so switching brands isn't an option.
I think the company finally wised up though, because now when I call
tech support I get a guy who is obviously an American, and he can
walk me right through the problem and get me back in business.
Doesn't do much good for the guys in Colorado Springs though,
their company went out of business.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by spdirty

My boys already have a tutor thats about as cheap as it gets...me.

that would be me also. However, IF my son required a tutor and 99/month got a good quality tutor. Well I'm paying the 99/month, why pay more, cost will sway me. Why shouldn't it...dman

[Spider]

well it is like this , my Kids are probably trade school kids , my 14 year old is already talking to Culinary Schools , she wants to cook , I told her doing what you love to do is far more important then how much money you make as long as you can support yourself ........ the other night My Daughter made a roast , you could cut with a butter knife , just damn good ........... now she wants to go to work for a fast food place when she turns 15 .......
my 12 year old , what else but trucks , damn good trade , did alright by me and several others I know ........
The 5 year old = just being a pain in the butt thats his job right now
the 11 month triplets = they really havent said much

[TheDave]

I have trouble imagining that there is much quality here for $99.00 a month... Having done both teaching and tutoring and doubt that this would be much of a help to most kids. On top of that most kids can get plenty of additional instruction/tutoring for free at most schools.

As for the comment that this is cost effective for an executive/attorney. It's kind of difficult to put a price on one on one time with your kid. Doubt it will ever be a good idea to outsource parenting... regardless of the cost.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by TheDave

I have trouble imagining that there is much quality here for $99.00 a month... Having done both teaching and tutoring and doubt that this would be much of a help to most kids. On top of that most kids can get plenty of additional instruction/tutoring for free at most schools.

As for the comment that this is cost effective for an executive/attorney. It's kind of difficult to put a price on one on one time with your kid. Doubt it will ever be a good idea to outsource parenting... regardless of the cost.

depending on the accent I imagine for 99$ a month in india u can get superb tutoring, maybe the interface is a little awkward and stuff. and dont rich ppl outsource parenting all the time(nannies)? is it outsourcing parenting when u hire a babysitter?

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by yavoon

depending on the accent I imagine for 99$ a month in india u can get superb tutoring, maybe the interface is a little awkward and stuff. and dont rich ppl outsource parenting all the time(nannies)? is it outsourcing parenting when u hire a babysitter?

As commonly used today, outsourcing means to send an American job
to another country, not to hire someone living in America to do your
work. So unless the rich snot is being sent to India or China to be taken
care of, it's not outsourcing.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

As commonly used today, outsourcing means to send an American job
to another country, not to hire someone living in America to do your
work. So unless the rich snot is being sent to India or China to be taken
care of, it's not outsourcing.

I was responding to the comment about 1on1 time w/ ur kid. and subsequently using outsourcing in a different way.

the political gotcha game has outsourcing as meaning sending jobs to poor countries. all outsourcing the word really means is to procure goods or services from an outside source.

but thanks for trying to be a weenie on diction, I really appreciate it. thanks a lot.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by yavoon

depending on the accent I imagine for 99$ a month in india u can get superb tutoring, maybe the interface is a little awkward and stuff. and dont rich ppl outsource parenting all the time(nannies)? is it outsourcing parenting when u hire a babysitter?

Really, why would that be? Have you tested it out?

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Really, why would that be? Have you tested it out?

"I imagine," its just what I think would be the case. remember india has a billion ppl and all the smart ones get exported, or goto work in those special economic zones. I think in india because these jobs, tutoring and call centers are so much more desirable in society then they are in america(where they're nowhere jobs) that u end up getting more talented ppl.

like if u hire a tutor in america ur probably getting someone who tried to get on elsewhere but didn't. since good ppl usually get better paying jobs. but in india, THAT IS the better paying job.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by yavoon

I was responding to the comment about 1on1 time w/ ur kid. and subsequently using outsourcing in a different way.

the political gotcha game has outsourcing as meaning sending jobs to poor countries. all outsourcing the word really means is to procure goods or services from an outside source.

but thanks for trying to be a weenie on diction, I really appreciate it. thanks a lot.

And thanks for being a weenie and trying to muddy the waters with irrelevant
crap when everyone damn well knows outsourcing in this context is sending
American jobs overseas, specifically to India and China.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

And thanks for being a weenie and trying to muddy the waters with irrelevant
crap when everyone damn well knows outsourcing in this context is sending
American jobs overseas, specifically to India and China.

I was just responding how I wanted to respond. someone made a comment about how u can't replace one on one time w/ children so I responded to that. I guess ur the topic police now though eh?

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by yavoon

I was just responding how I wanted to respond. someone made a comment about how u can't replace one on one time w/ children so I responded to that. I guess ur the topic police now though eh?

And I was responding to your response. Are you immune from people
responding to your responses?

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

And I was responding to your response. Are you immune from people
responding to your responses?

and ur response u tried to be the diction/topic police. now ur just playing some dumb game where u repeat what I said and think it has meaning.

can we just stop?