GOP: You were warned of the coming storm - The Orange Mane

Rascal · 02-21-2007, 02:09 PM

Liberals need not respond.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17245359/
By Joe Scarborough
Host, ‘Scarborough Country’
MSNBC

In 2004, I warned Republican leaders of a coming storm.

My book “Rome Wasn’t Burnt in a Day” enraged party sycophants for stating the obvious — that the Republican Party risked losing its majority if it continued turning away from the conservative values that put it in power. Three years later, I’m still being attacked by Bush loyalists who seem more concerned with their president’s image than their party’s future.

I’ve seen this movie before and know how it ends.

That’s why I’m offering all Republican Party operatives and general suck-ups amnesty over the next month. During said time period, any apologist for the Grand Old Party who has uttered profane statements about me, my family or my backswing in retaliation for my telling the truth about our president and party can drop me a line and all will be forgiven. Aw, hell. I’ll forgive them anyway. That’s just the kind of guy I am. Besides, it’s easy to be gracious when you know that you are so right and your critics are so miserably wrong.

Like I said, I’ve seen this movie before.

The ‘Newt wars’
Throughout 1997 and 1998, Republican Party suck-ups blasted young conservatives like Steve Largent, Tom Coburn, Matt Salmon and me for holding our party leadership accountable for the promises made in the Contract With America.

When Newt Gingrich and the party bosses backed down on spending cuts, we fought back.

When they tried to expand congressional spending and staff sizes, we shut down Congress until they lived up to their political promises in the contract.

And when Newt told the New York Times he was willing to back down on tax cuts, we threatened to take down his speakership. Gingrich called those tax cuts the “crown jewels” of the contract while campaigning and promised if we were put in power, they would pass. We saw to it that he kept his word.

That angered a lot of Republican apologists who screamed at us in congressional caucus meetings. Chairmen sought retribution against those of us who dared to question party leadership. At one point, all the military bases in my district had their funding stripped for fiscal year 1998.

But because there were more than a few true conservatives in Congress back then, that strategy lasted about 24 hours. Gingrich was notified by an old friend from my district that my conservative allies would take him down before allowing one of our own to be punished for making the speaker keep his word. A few days later I was in the speaker’s office with a list of military bases and told to distribute the money how I liked. I told them I would defer to the generals’ and admirals’ previous requests.

In the end, Newt’s continued attacks on conservatives became his undoing. After the 1998 elections, the group of conservatives he derided as “The Perfectionist Caucus” showed him the door.

Once he left, a remarkable thing happened. All those chairmen, party operatives, staff assistants, media types and lobbyists who had been cursing my name under their breath for two years started coming up and slapping me on the back.

“Way to go, Joe! We were with you all the time.”

Some would even make a nasty comment about Gingrich to prove just how aligned we were. Even Karl Rove mused that George Bush would never have been elected had we not removed Newt as speaker.

Undermining the conservative movement
He’s right, but I expected no flowers from the White House this Valentine’s Day because I have angered more than my share of Republican apologists for suggesting Bush has done more to damage the conservative movement than Newt Gingrich could ever have managed. In fact, Bush’s Big Government Republicanism has so undermined Ronald Reagan’s conservative movement, Gingrich is the only champion of conservative causes still occupying the national stage.

But don’t try to tell that to the same suck-ups who blasted me during the Newt wars. They will tell you that conservatives should look away when Republicans set records for federal spending, national deficits and spiraling debts. They will tell you that even though we criticized Bill Clinton for ignoring his generals’ advice, we should give George W. Bush a free pass for doing the same thing 10 years later. And if we are truly loyal party members, we should attack those generals as defeatists.

Well, it’s all too much for me. I thank God for conservatives like Largent, Coburn and those who entered Congress in 1994. I thank God for Ronald Reagan’s daring to take on a bloated party establishment in 1976. How funny that Reagan saved the same party that despised him for taking on a sitting president.

Party types called Reagan a traitor in 1976 for daring to buck the political establishment. But the way I see it, the Gipper showed loyalty by telling the truth and making his party better. Four years later, the Reagan Revolution was lodged because of his courage.

We need more Reagans today.

Rascal · 02-21-2007, 02:12 PM

Similar article.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16942296/
Demise of GOP just took turn for the worse
Scarborough: Bush willing to take his party over a cliff to prove his point
By Joe Scarborough
Host, ‘Scarborough Country’
MSNBC

The slow demise of the national Republican Party just took a turn for the worse. Hard to believe that the GOP’s prospects could actually become more bleak after two years of unrelenting bad news, but it has.

Republican senators are now turning their rhetorical guns away from Democrats and toward one another. A few conservative Republican senators, whose votes usually cheer me up during bleak political times, are actually accusing Virginia’s senior senator, John Warner, of providing comfort to terrorists.

The White House even got involved in the name calling when Tony Snow suggested Warner’s actions could embolden the likes of Osama Bin Laden.

The message from the Bush administration seems to be this: “Thanks for carrying our water on this miserable war for four years. Now we’re going accuse you of helping terrorists.”

How pathetic.

Didn’t Dick Cheney just cite Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment about Republicans not attacking one another?

My how things have changed in a few days.

It’s one more reason I have grown increasingly distraught over the GOP’s direction in recent months. The president is prepared to take his administration and his party over the cliff to prove that he right about Iraq—even if most of his generals and the majority of Americans disagree.

The question now is how long will Republicans stand by this war that has cost over 3,000 lives? Is it worth the $1 trillion dollars that will be added to our national debt? Is it worth undercutting our ability to strike at Iran and North Korea? I would say “yes” to all three questions if there were the slightest chance victory was around the corner. But it is not. If you don’t believe me, ask any general to tell you about the Bush surge. They will roll their eyes.

Even if you agree with me that this war was worth fighting as long as we believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s aimed at America, at some point you have to face the facts: the Bush administration was wrong about those weapons, wrong about the nuclear program, wrong about their refusal to quell rioting early, wrong about Bremer’s gutting of the Iraqi army and police force, wrong about refusing to kill or capture al Sadr in 2003, wrong to tell the generals not speak of the coming insurgency, wrong to stubbornly refuse to give generals the troops they needed to win this war, wrong to make the “Mission Accomplished” declaration, wrong for the VP to claim that the insurgency was in its death throes and wrong to push a surge plan that the president’s top generals opposed.

The list could continue for pages but I will be generous to the White House and leave it at that.

At some point, GOP senators and congressmen need to understand that this war is no longer a battle between Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks. The lines have now been blurred by Bush’s bungling war strategy. Now we find ourselves in a fight between war heroes and war heroes. Former secretaries of Navy and former Vietnam POWs. Conservative Republicans and protectors of the president.

That may not be so bad for George W. Bush in the short run, but it is a disaster for Republicans in 2008 and beyond.

Conservatives had better wake up before all the gains made by Ronald Reagan and the 1994 Revolution are lost. The clock is ticking.

Crushaholic · 02-21-2007, 02:14 PM

Republicans made two big mistakes throughout their tenure of power. First, they shouldn't have ignored the bulk of the Contract for America. That is what got them in Washington in the first place. Secondly, they became so entrenched in power that they thought of themselves as indestructible. My former representative in the House barely campaigned because he thought there was no way in Hades he could lose...

Spider · 02-21-2007, 02:15 PM

I remember Scarborough saying this stuff on his program .......

Atlas · 02-21-2007, 02:57 PM

all this from the murderer... wow. I'm impressed.

Denver Crush · 02-21-2007, 05:10 PM

I actually enjoy watching Joe's show. He is one of a few republicans I actually respect because of his unbiased reporting. He even realizes that Bushco has been bad for this country.

Bronco Bob · 02-21-2007, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denver Crush

I actually enjoy watching Joe's show. He is one of a few republicans I actually respect because of his unbiased reporting. He even realizes that Bushco has been bad for this country.

Joe seems more sane, rational, and even handed than Keith Olbermann
or anyone on the Fox Noise channel. While I do enjoy hearing Olbermann
bash Bush, I do realize Olberman is as far to the left as Fox Noise is
to the right. But when a true conservative like Joe is bashing Bush it seems
a lot more credible.

Taco John · 02-21-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

all this from the murderer... wow. I'm impressed.

defenseman · 02-21-2007, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

Doesn't matter , WWIII just started with obama and hillary, trust me by election time....they'll both be paying the piper. Hillary is gonna dig up all kinds of garbage on obama, obama will let hillary dig her own demise just letting her be her.......and it's a wash. Get used to guiliani or romney in the white house..dman

Bronco_Beerslug · 02-21-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

Doesn't matter , WWIII just started with obama and hillary, trust me by election time....they'll both be paying the piper. Hillary is gonna dig up all kinds of garbage on obama, obama will let hillary dig her own demise just letting her be her.......and it's a wash. Get used to guiliani or romney in the white house..dman

How much you want to wager on your prediction?

Blueflame · 02-21-2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

Scarborough's intern, Lori Klausutis, was found dead in his office around the same time as the Gary Condit/Chandra Levy scandal (July 2001)

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010808Klausutis.html
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/lori_klausutis.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexcl...xclusive12.htm

Spider · 02-21-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

Doesn't matter , WWIII just started with obama and hillary, trust me by election time....they'll both be paying the piper. Hillary is gonna dig up all kinds of garbage on obama, obama will let hillary dig her own demise just letting her be her.......and it's a wash. Get used to guiliani or romney in the white house..dman

Please tell me you are not allowed to operate heavy equipment ...........

TailgateNut · 02-21-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

Please tell me you are not allowed to operate heavy equipment ...........

30 yrs of brainwashing and marching to the same tune will do major damage!

Spider · 02-21-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

30 yrs of brainwashing and marching to the same tune will do major damage!

I guess so , but D man is throwing out more predictions then then Dion Warwick physic friends hotline and miss cleo combined .........just wondering if he got some bad tea leave

defenseman · 02-22-2007, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

How much you want to wager on your prediction?

I Never wager in matters such as these. Strictly a prediction based on current and past history...dman

*Too many unknowns at this point, a calculable odds of sorts is necessary before anything is laid on the table.

defenseman · 02-22-2007, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I guess so , but D man is throwing out more predictions then then Dion Warwick physic friends hotline and miss cleo combined .........just wondering if he got some bad tea leave

Well, "hollywood" has stirred the pot and hillary has a temper in addition to a nasty "get even" mentality. I wouldn't want to piss her off ..dman

*If I'm wrong, oh well. But, that's what I'm seeing right now.

defenseman · 02-22-2007, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

30 yrs of brainwashing and marching to the same tune will do major damage!

You obviously have absolutely no idea what I do for a living, brainwashing has never been part of the formula. I would recommend you take a hard look at what tune you march too before you toss disparaging remarks about such in my direction, or anyone elses for that matter. Major damage? Give it a rest, your attemts at demeaning are getting quite boring and without good taste. At least put some thought and eloquence into it before you spit in another mans face...not that it has any sort of affect, but you can at least make an effort to be entertaining..........dman

*anyone else feel like taking pot shots, nows the time...I'm in a great mood

Crushaholic · 02-22-2007, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

*anyone else feel like taking pot shots, nows the time...I'm in a great mood

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

defenseman · 02-22-2007, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"

What's up crush....little monty python for the evening eh?...dman

Crushaholic · 02-22-2007, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

What's up crush....little monty python for the evening eh?...dman

I'm always up for a good laugh...

Blueflame · 02-22-2007, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defenseman

Well, "hollywood" has stirred the pot and hillary has a temper in addition to a nasty "get even" mentality. I wouldn't want to piss her off ..dman

*If I'm wrong, oh well. But, that's what I'm seeing right now.

So says NewsMax. We all know they'd never stretch the truth to promote an agenda, right? Riiiiiiiiight....

Rascal · 02-22-2007, 01:59 AM

NewsMax doesn't need to state that when it's apparent to everyone.

I did like Obama's liason comments about her accepting support from Senator Ford, yet blasting him for taking money from a former Clinton supporter who blasted Hillary.

theAPAOps5 · 02-22-2007, 02:08 AM

I saw that blast from Hillary, saying Obama should give back those contributions from a former "Bill Friend". She isn't Bill and she sounds very childish.

This is going to be a crazy time building up to the elections.

Blueflame · 02-22-2007, 02:23 AM

Primaries are always contentious... I doubt the next one will stoop to the levels of the Bush campaign's maligning of John McCain's adopted child... that was the lowest of the low.

defenseman · 02-22-2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

NewsMax doesn't need to state that when it's apparent to everyone.

I did like Obama's liason comments about her accepting support from Senator Ford, yet blasting him for taking money from a former Clinton supporter who blasted Hillary.

Yep, interesting tactics. I'm thinking they'll leave that sinking ship and get back to the normal boring rhetoric, at least this was half way entertaining..dman

02-21-2007, 02:09 PM	#1
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	GOP: You were warned of the coming storm Liberals need not respond. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17245359/ By Joe Scarborough Host, ‘Scarborough Country’ MSNBC In 2004, I warned Republican leaders of a coming storm. My book “Rome Wasn’t Burnt in a Day” enraged party sycophants for stating the obvious — that the Republican Party risked losing its majority if it continued turning away from the conservative values that put it in power. Three years later, I’m still being attacked by Bush loyalists who seem more concerned with their president’s image than their party’s future. I’ve seen this movie before and know how it ends. That’s why I’m offering all Republican Party operatives and general suck-ups amnesty over the next month. During said time period, any apologist for the Grand Old Party who has uttered profane statements about me, my family or my backswing in retaliation for my telling the truth about our president and party can drop me a line and all will be forgiven. Aw, hell. I’ll forgive them anyway. That’s just the kind of guy I am. Besides, it’s easy to be gracious when you know that you are so right and your critics are so miserably wrong. Like I said, I’ve seen this movie before. The ‘Newt wars’ Throughout 1997 and 1998, Republican Party suck-ups blasted young conservatives like Steve Largent, Tom Coburn, Matt Salmon and me for holding our party leadership accountable for the promises made in the Contract With America. When Newt Gingrich and the party bosses backed down on spending cuts, we fought back. When they tried to expand congressional spending and staff sizes, we shut down Congress until they lived up to their political promises in the contract. And when Newt told the New York Times he was willing to back down on tax cuts, we threatened to take down his speakership. Gingrich called those tax cuts the “crown jewels” of the contract while campaigning and promised if we were put in power, they would pass. We saw to it that he kept his word. That angered a lot of Republican apologists who screamed at us in congressional caucus meetings. Chairmen sought retribution against those of us who dared to question party leadership. At one point, all the military bases in my district had their funding stripped for fiscal year 1998. But because there were more than a few true conservatives in Congress back then, that strategy lasted about 24 hours. Gingrich was notified by an old friend from my district that my conservative allies would take him down before allowing one of our own to be punished for making the speaker keep his word. A few days later I was in the speaker’s office with a list of military bases and told to distribute the money how I liked. I told them I would defer to the generals’ and admirals’ previous requests. In the end, Newt’s continued attacks on conservatives became his undoing. After the 1998 elections, the group of conservatives he derided as “The Perfectionist Caucus” showed him the door. Once he left, a remarkable thing happened. All those chairmen, party operatives, staff assistants, media types and lobbyists who had been cursing my name under their breath for two years started coming up and slapping me on the back. “Way to go, Joe! We were with you all the time.” Some would even make a nasty comment about Gingrich to prove just how aligned we were. Even Karl Rove mused that George Bush would never have been elected had we not removed Newt as speaker. Undermining the conservative movement He’s right, but I expected no flowers from the White House this Valentine’s Day because I have angered more than my share of Republican apologists for suggesting Bush has done more to damage the conservative movement than Newt Gingrich could ever have managed. In fact, Bush’s Big Government Republicanism has so undermined Ronald Reagan’s conservative movement, Gingrich is the only champion of conservative causes still occupying the national stage. But don’t try to tell that to the same suck-ups who blasted me during the Newt wars. They will tell you that conservatives should look away when Republicans set records for federal spending, national deficits and spiraling debts. They will tell you that even though we criticized Bill Clinton for ignoring his generals’ advice, we should give George W. Bush a free pass for doing the same thing 10 years later. And if we are truly loyal party members, we should attack those generals as defeatists. Well, it’s all too much for me. I thank God for conservatives like Largent, Coburn and those who entered Congress in 1994. I thank God for Ronald Reagan’s daring to take on a bloated party establishment in 1976. How funny that Reagan saved the same party that despised him for taking on a sitting president. Party types called Reagan a traitor in 1976 for daring to buck the political establishment. But the way I see it, the Gipper showed loyalty by telling the truth and making his party better. Four years later, the Reagan Revolution was lodged because of his courage. We need more Reagans today.

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02-21-2007, 02:12 PM	#2
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Similar article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16942296/ Demise of GOP just took turn for the worse Scarborough: Bush willing to take his party over a cliff to prove his point By Joe Scarborough Host, ‘Scarborough Country’ MSNBC The slow demise of the national Republican Party just took a turn for the worse. Hard to believe that the GOP’s prospects could actually become more bleak after two years of unrelenting bad news, but it has. Republican senators are now turning their rhetorical guns away from Democrats and toward one another. A few conservative Republican senators, whose votes usually cheer me up during bleak political times, are actually accusing Virginia’s senior senator, John Warner, of providing comfort to terrorists. The White House even got involved in the name calling when Tony Snow suggested Warner’s actions could embolden the likes of Osama Bin Laden. The message from the Bush administration seems to be this: “Thanks for carrying our water on this miserable war for four years. Now we’re going accuse you of helping terrorists.” How pathetic. Didn’t Dick Cheney just cite Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment about Republicans not attacking one another? My how things have changed in a few days. It’s one more reason I have grown increasingly distraught over the GOP’s direction in recent months. The president is prepared to take his administration and his party over the cliff to prove that he right about Iraq—even if most of his generals and the majority of Americans disagree. The question now is how long will Republicans stand by this war that has cost over 3,000 lives? Is it worth the $1 trillion dollars that will be added to our national debt? Is it worth undercutting our ability to strike at Iran and North Korea? I would say “yes” to all three questions if there were the slightest chance victory was around the corner. But it is not. If you don’t believe me, ask any general to tell you about the Bush surge. They will roll their eyes. Even if you agree with me that this war was worth fighting as long as we believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s aimed at America, at some point you have to face the facts: the Bush administration was wrong about those weapons, wrong about the nuclear program, wrong about their refusal to quell rioting early, wrong about Bremer’s gutting of the Iraqi army and police force, wrong about refusing to kill or capture al Sadr in 2003, wrong to tell the generals not speak of the coming insurgency, wrong to stubbornly refuse to give generals the troops they needed to win this war, wrong to make the “Mission Accomplished” declaration, wrong for the VP to claim that the insurgency was in its death throes and wrong to push a surge plan that the president’s top generals opposed. The list could continue for pages but I will be generous to the White House and leave it at that. At some point, GOP senators and congressmen need to understand that this war is no longer a battle between Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks. The lines have now been blurred by Bush’s bungling war strategy. Now we find ourselves in a fight between war heroes and war heroes. Former secretaries of Navy and former Vietnam POWs. Conservative Republicans and protectors of the president. That may not be so bad for George W. Bush in the short run, but it is a disaster for Republicans in 2008 and beyond. Conservatives had better wake up before all the gains made by Ronald Reagan and the 1994 Revolution are lost. The clock is ticking.

02-21-2007, 02:14 PM	#3
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	Republicans made two big mistakes throughout their tenure of power. First, they shouldn't have ignored the bulk of the Contract for America. That is what got them in Washington in the first place. Secondly, they became so entrenched in power that they thought of themselves as indestructible. My former representative in the House barely campaigned because he thought there was no way in Hades he could lose...

02-21-2007, 02:15 PM	#4
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I remember Scarborough saying this stuff on his program .......

02-21-2007, 02:57 PM	#5
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	all this from the murderer... wow. I'm impressed.

02-21-2007, 05:10 PM	#6
Denver Crush THC Content Analyst Bad Moon Rising Join Date: May 2001 Location: Purple Mountains Majesty Posts: 1,462	I actually enjoy watching Joe's show. He is one of a few republicans I actually respect because of his unbiased reporting. He even realizes that Bushco has been bad for this country.

02-22-2007, 01:59 AM	#22
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	NewsMax doesn't need to state that when it's apparent to everyone. I did like Obama's liason comments about her accepting support from Senator Ford, yet blasting him for taking money from a former Clinton supporter who blasted Hillary.

02-22-2007, 02:23 AM	#24
Blueflame Miss Congeniality Welcome to Peyton's Place Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: in my cups... lol Posts: 33,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Randy Gradishar	Primaries are always contentious... I doubt the next one will stoop to the levels of the Bush campaign's maligning of John McCain's adopted child... that was the lowest of the low.