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Old 10-21-2007, 12:45 PM   #5251
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Little anti AL are we? Take a chill, both leauges are essentially the same..dman
Nah, the National League is the Senior Circuit and the American League will always be the inferior Junior Circuit.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:08 PM   #5252
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Nah, the National League is the Senior Circuit and the American League will always be the inferior Junior Circuit.
The evidence says otherwise.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:23 PM   #5253
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Nah, the National League is the Senior Circuit and the American League will always be the inferior Junior Circuit.
Somebody is smoking some serious hash. Have you checked the records for interleague paly, allstar games and recent WS games? As of now, NL is an inferior product compared to the AL. Even with the Cards winning the WS, the AL was a much stronger league overall. But, your Padres fanatic personality is showing.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:27 PM   #5254
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The AL plays Finleyball and the NL plays baseball.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:32 PM   #5255
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Well, it's a stupid rule. It's one they should completely abolish. They won't, but they should.

If they allow a DH hitter in the AL, of course the rules would stay the same. If you are talking about getting rid of the DH all together, then you might have a valid point. Having the DH rule gives the NL an advantage they so desperatly need in recent years.
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I used to be a "baseball purist", but watching pitchers bat is pitiful 98% of the time. It allows teams to pitch around other players and effectively reduce the amount of offense by a significant amount.

This game is not what it was when it was invented. It's all about pitching...and pitching is big money.

The only argument against a DH is that the games are longer.....oh, and that thing about pitchers beaning batters and never having to get in the box themselves.

The DH is the main reason why the NL is the inferior league.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:51 PM   #5257
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I hate watching pitchers attempt to freaking hit the ball, most gawd awful thing in the world.
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Old 10-21-2007, 01:54 PM   #5258
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I love the timing right before game seven. I wonder how long they were sitting on this story? Was Byrd on the George Mitchell report which revealed several big names during a conference call last week? From what I understand, MLB is waiting for a convenient time after the World Series to release the Mitchell report. Makes you wonder if this is a ploy by FOX to get the Red Sox into the World Series to juice their ratings. Not to mention, ESPN is such a pro-New England media outlet. This stinks. I hope the Indians come together and prevail.
Been hanging out with Mcgaffey in the Politic section again, huh?

It was the SF chronicle that publised the story this morning, not ESPIN or FOX.
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I used to be a "baseball purist", but watching pitchers bat is pitiful 98% of the time. It allows teams to pitch around other players and effectively reduce the amount of offense by a significant amount.

This game is not what it was when it was invented. It's all about pitching...and pitching is big money.

The only argument against a DH is that the games are longer.....oh, and that thing about pitchers beaning batters and never having to get in the box themselves.

The DH is the main reason why the NL is the inferior league.
Face it, the AL has the money. That's the main reason. They buy the players, ergo they buy the championships. Also, they have the DH which is akin to putting a windmill on the 18th hole at Pebble Beach. They can hit and run nine players. They can buy great old hitters who can no longer field in the NL and let them play goofy ball in the AL. Baseball is baseball. If you take a position in the field, you should take a position at bat. It's like a Mulligan in golf. Drunks love it. Golfers don't.

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I hate watching pitchers attempt to freaking hit the ball, most gawd awful thing in the world.
You must not have noticed Owings on the DBacks.
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Old 10-21-2007, 02:04 PM   #5261
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Face it, the AL has the money. That's the main reason. They buy the players, ergo they buy the championships. Also, they have the DH which is akin to putting a windmill on the 18th hole at Pebble Beach. They can hit and run nine players. They can buy great old hitters who can no longer field in the NL and let them play goofy ball in the AL. Baseball is baseball. If you take a position in the field, you should take a position at bat. It's like a Mulligan in golf. Drunks love it, golfers don't.

I agree with you to a point. But is baseball a better product with guys like David Ortiz or Edgar Martinez? I think so. I wish to see Ortiz play first base almost as little as I want to see Curt Schilling bat. It's the fans that ultimately win with the AL arrangement.

The money thing I don't get. We are driven by what the mighty Yanks do. They set the prices of everything. We are just fortunate enough to be able to compete by finding new revenue streams and buying all the tickets (always the highest in MLB).

Why can't LA, Chicago, Philly, and Dallas spend what we do? They are all bigger media markets than Boston.
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The evidence says otherwise.
The lousy Junior Circuit has rolled over time and time again and allowed one franchise to win almost 4/10 of their total pennants.
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The lousy Junior Circuit has rolled over time and time again and allowed one franchise to win almost 4/10 of their total pennants.
Read what broncocalijohn wrote.
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Somebody is smoking some serious hash. Have you checked the records for interleague paly, allstar games and recent WS games? As of now, NL is an inferior product compared to the AL. Even with the Cards winning the WS, the AL was a much stronger league overall. But, your Padres fanatic personality is showing.
That's why the National League holds a 40-36 all-time advantage in the Midsummer Classic? Do you forget about the 1960s and 1970s when the Senior Circuit steamrolled the Junior every July?
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You must not have noticed Owings on the DBacks.
One guy out of how many
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[QUOTE=Bronco LB 52;1758025]That's why the National League holds a 40-36 all-time advantage in the Midsummer Classic? Do you forget about the 1960s and 1970s when the Senior Circuit steamrolled the Junior every July?[/QUOTE]

You're sounding like a Chef fan



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I hate watching pitchers attempt to freaking hit the ball, most gawd awful thing in the world.
You haven't seen Micah Owings, Rick Ankiel, Babe Ruth, Jason Marquis, Mike Hampton and Whitey Ford swing the stick.
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That's why the National League holds a 40-36 all-time advantage in the Midsummer Classic? Do you forget about the 1960s and 1970s when the Senior Circuit steamrolled the Junior every July?
True. I remember when I was a kid that the NL had won like 9 in a row or something like that. The NL had better players then...and the game was much more meaningful to the players to prove which league was better.

Now, the players union is so strong that players move around much more. And interleague play had erased much more of the differences. All that remains is the DH thing.

MLB is much different now than the 70's when Curt Flood fought the good fight to have things the way they are today.
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You haven't seen Micah Owings, Rick Ankiel, Babe Ruth, Jason Marquis, Mike Hampton and Whitey Ford swing the stick.
-Rick Ankiel is no longer a pitcher, he appears to be drugged up outfielder
-Babe Ruth has been dead for long time, and most of the HR came full time outfielder
-Whitey Ford hasn't picked up a bat in long time.

So that leaves 2 active pitchers out of how many
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You haven't seen Micah Owings, Rick Ankiel, Babe Ruth, Jason Marquis, Mike Hampton and Whitey Ford swing the stick.

Jeez, you had to go back over 50 years to find 2 of them! I'm not saying that pitchers CAN'T hit. Maddux was pretty good at it, right?

It's just that most of them suck at it and that's OK because that is not why they are there. If a guy can go 6 innings and strike out 8 every outing he can strike out every time he comes to bat. That's a good tradeoff for an NL team. But for a viewer it sucks.

I think you're just used to watching NL baseball and think nothing of it any more.
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I agree with you to a point. But is baseball a better product with guys like David Ortiz or Edgar Martinez? I think so. I wish to see Ortiz play first base almost as little as I want to see Curt Schilling bat. It's the fans that ultimately win with the AL arrangement.

The money thing I don't get. We are driven by what the mighty Yanks do. They set the prices of everything. We are just fortunate enough to be able to compete by finding new revenue streams and buying all the tickets (always the highest in MLB).

Why can't LA, Chicago, Philly, and Dallas spend what we do? They are all bigger media markets than Boston.
Maybe I'm just biased. I've been a National Leaguer my whole life. I just prefer all the strategy around the pitching slot in the batting lineup. It affects so much of what can happen in a game. It does remind me of the rule in golf that "you play your ball where it lies." Sometimes, it's such a pain in the ass, like if your ball is up against a tree. But that's just the rub of the green. It changes what you can do. In the AL, you just seamlessly go from the 8 slot to the DH and back to the 1 slot. Nothing to think about. Not really much to plan around.

I don't know why the bigger markets don't spend more. Having spent quite a few hours at Chavez Ravine I can tell you, they don't have a real dependable fan base out there.
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You haven't seen Micah Owings, Rick Ankiel, Babe Ruth, Jason Marquis, Mike Hampton and Whitey Ford swing the stick.
Or Fernando Valenzuela.
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Why can't LA, Chicago, Philly, and Dallas spend what we do? They are all bigger media markets than Boston.
Spending in quantity is not the issue here, it's efficient spending. There are some contracts on the Red Sox roster that would financially cripple other franchises that no general manager in baseball would want any part of:

Jason Varitek, 4 years, $40 million
J.D. Drew, 5 years, $70 million
Daisuke, 6 years, $52 million + 51, 111, 111.11 milllion

It's wrong when a general manager can make bonehead moves such as these, but still get away with it. That's why I admire what the Rockies, Indians and Diamondbacks did this season. They had a small margin of error and all four franchises put together championship clubs.
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Good point, Ro. I appreciate the strategy of the NL too...forgot to mention that.

All the best mangers are in the NL...always have been. Francona came from the NL and I always thought Torre did a good job in the NL parks in the WS.

AL managers just have to manage the pitching staff 95% of the time. ESPECIALLY the BoSox. We rarely steal or bunt. I guess you gotta put the ol "hit and run" on once in a while.
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Or Fernando Valenzuela.
That 1981 season was crazy. Even as a 14-year old kid in the Boston suburbs I was well aware of the hoopla surrounding that NL pitcher in LA!
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