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Old 10-19-2007, 08:58 AM   #5201
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that josh becketts a pretty good pitcher ey?
Really I think he overrated. ()
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:01 AM   #5202
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We might have to put in Gagne before this one gets out of hand.
Please use his offical name GAG-ME
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Old 10-19-2007, 09:17 AM   #5203
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that josh becketts a pretty good pitcher ey?
He's no Jeff Francis, but he's alright.
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Old 10-19-2007, 10:26 AM   #5204
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What are you're feelings on the name and logo for the Redskins?
The name is equally horrible, and I refuse to refer to them as such. At least they did the service of removing a blatantly racist logo/mascot from their team though, and going with some mod arrow design (that they stole from Florida State, a school that actually has tribal agreement to use their specific name).

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I just gave you a counter opinion and endorsed leaving politics at the door. Which normally on the sports threads, I do. You opened pandora's box, not me. I just shot back. And, in short you are accusing them of racism. Your opinion, your pipe, smoke your pipe elsewhere. I could care less...dman

*bottom line is, talk about the series, not your freaking politics about native americans, no one cares about your politics here on the sports threads. Feel free to post on the WRP threads, plenty of politics to yak about there.
Actually, where the pre-merge thread started was some guy talking about how he's rooting against Cleveland for non-baseball reasons. Seemed like a fitting place at the time (pre-merge).

Also, I'm not accusing them of being racist. They are. Its not a statement of opinion, its a cold, hard fact. Its no different than having a team with a blackface logo and calling the team the "****-rs" or "blackies". Its not about political correctness, its about a blatantly ethnocentric view that insults a minority. Its degrading to the people its (I'm assuming unintentionally) aimed at and it makes those who participate look like a bunch of racist jackasses.

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Out of all the great miscarriages of justice to devote your time to...you pick this issue to march off on a crusade on?
What better miscarriage of justice is there than standing up for a people who've had their population decimated from tens of millions down to a couple million in only a few hundred years, where 99% of its members live well below the poverty level, and where our own government actively works to keep them suppressed, thanks to racist politicians (see Mitt Romney) using the media's willingness to look the other way on native american issues to get their view of anglo-saxon superiority exercised in our political system?

They can't take away the black man's right to vote now so they'll do what they can, take away the native american man's right to live.

And you want an interesting shade of relevance on this? Jacoby Ellsbury, the Red Sox hot young prospect CF, is a registered member of the Navajo Nation. How in hell do you think he feels sitting in a dugout watching all these morons parade around celebrating an insulting caricature of his own culture?

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You bring up valid points, but the timing is bad. You could have written letters to the club during the cold winter or protested with signs outside their camp in Winter Haven during spring training, but no, you wait until they have their moment in the sun to make a big fuss on a message board.
Its a fight I chose to pick a long time ago, I just never had a reason to bring it up here until someone was talking about their distaste for Cleveland on a non-baseball topic. I'll continue to not discuss it here because its not like this remotely matters. Writing on message boards won't right social injustice, and I've already found a path that will.
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Old 10-19-2007, 11:58 AM   #5205
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A few things should be pointed out in this argument:

1) When the Indians first decided to call their ballclub by that name, the name was fully supported by the local Native Americans who saw it as an honor. Granted, that was a long time ago, but still, it wasnt meant with malicious intent.

2) Not that this makes it right, I believe teams like the Indians and Redskins have become such institutions that it actually transcends the names they are actually portraying. I strongly dont believe that people look at those team names and laugh at the native americans or consider them lesser people. i just dont think people associate the two

3) The indians could easily change their name to the tribe, drop chief wahoo and no one would really care in a couple years.
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Old 10-19-2007, 02:26 PM   #5206
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Joe Torre press conference on ESPN right now.

He is a class act. Even BoSox fans like Joe.
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Old 10-19-2007, 02:55 PM   #5207
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Joe Torre press conference on ESPN right now.

He is a class act. Even BoSox fans like Joe.
Agreed, and if it came to pass, love to see the guy managing the sox...dman

*Francona is fine for now though.....Torre truly is a cut above the rest.
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Old 10-19-2007, 04:04 PM   #5208
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A few things should be pointed out in this argument:

1) When the Indians first decided to call their ballclub by that name, the name was fully supported by the local Native Americans who saw it as an honor. Granted, that was a long time ago, but still, it wasnt meant with malicious intent.
The Indians were originally the Bluebirds a.k.a. from 1901-02 and became the Naps from 1903-1911 because of their franchise player Napoleon Lajoie.




From 1912-1914, they were known as the Molly McGuires in honor of the famed Irish miners in the late 1800s. The team was still informally known as the "Naps" in spite of the official name change.

When Lajoie left the team in 1915, the franchise eventually became known as the Indians. The sportswriters dubbed them the Indians because it was the nickname of the National League Cleveland Spiders when Native American "Chief" Sockalexis played for them in the 1890s. "Chief" had also passed away just two years earlier. The Boston "Miracle" Braves, the defending WS champion from 1914, might have also influenced the name change.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:01 PM   #5209
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Well do or die for the Red Sox tonight. Will Schill add another post season heroic line to his resume, tonight?
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:43 PM   #5210
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I hope so el.But honestly i hope i can stay up and watch. I have to get up @ 5:30 for work
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:49 PM   #5211
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GRAND SLAM JD DREW!!!
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:52 PM   #5212
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JD great hit.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:53 PM   #5213
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eases the pain of that contract a bit lmao
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:53 PM   #5214
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Schilling needs a 1-2-3 inning and get the hitters back up there!
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:04 PM   #5215
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Darn at least Schill got out of the inning with only the one run. I doubt that he resigned next season, he just doesn't have it anymore.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:23 PM   #5216
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well i hope if they win it all he'll call it carreer and go out on top.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:28 PM   #5217
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well i hope if they win it all he'll call it carreer and go out on top.
Win or lose I think he to stubborn to retire. I think he going one of those guys that hangs on as long as he can. Good thing for him he has his video game company and other interest once the he out of the game.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:34 PM   #5218
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Fox needs to get rid of that blue swoosh graphic they show for replays of pitches. It's annoying, misleading, and completely useless.

When they follow up with the overhead shots you can see what they didn't ruin with the normal angle.

It reminds me of when Fox started to do hockey about 10 years ago and they had that chip inside the puck that made it blue on TV....and when there was a slapshot it streaked like a comet. Totally annoying and ultimately killed due to public outcry. Same needs to happen with this baseball thing.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:37 PM   #5219
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The fox coverage sucks, I freaking hate the darn Transformer logo between action.

JD coming up big this game.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:42 PM   #5220
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Fausto Carmona and CC Sabathia have stunk up this series...
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:52 PM   #5221
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Sweet the BoSox forcing a game 7. Now I going to splitting time between the baseball and Broncos.
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:53 PM   #5222
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The baseball Gods are smiling on us again. In Cleveland we couldn't do much right and it seemed like all their hits fell in and ours just missed.

Not to count my chickens too early, but a game 7 still scares me. I suppose it should.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:00 PM   #5223
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I know that feeling, flashes of disappoint from ages past still haunt me.

I am surprised how bad Cleveland looks. Were Paladin and injuin in 6th proclamation now
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:29 PM   #5224
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if we win tongight (im not jinxing it)i think i might head down straight from work(out@12) to fenway just to see if i can get in
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:36 PM   #5225
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Oh...1 more thing. At least they have stopped showing Mark Shapiro and his trophy wife every 2 minutes.

When we were in Cleveland it was CONSTANT. Fox sucks.

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