General Baseball Thread 2007

[Paladin]

Good for Torre. Good for the rest of teh AL East, too. Maybe he will take that job at Pawtucket..........

[24champ]

Originally Posted by Jens1893

Yankees offered Torre a one year extension and Torre told them to **** off.

not just a one year extension, but they offered him less money than what he made this year...About 2 million less.


Joe Girardi is most likely to be the next manager.

[DomCasual]

Good for Joe Torre. They offer him less money? This is a team with a supposedly limitless bank account. Screw that! I'm glad he walked.

[BMF Bronco]

Originally Posted by Paladin

A semi- what? Didn't get your thought there......

You mean the Rockies? Oh, yeah, a Rockies win would just tickle the Cubs National Whiners Club members to death, I am sure.

I do believe, and this might make an interesting book, that a Rockies/Injun Series would be the least viewed series in post-modern (whatever that means) Baseball History. I do not think that the Rockies have enough appeal on their own, yet, to draw a following from the masses that survive rush hours on the Eastern Shores of our Great Nation. (They would get a passing "good job" nod on the evening Sport casts, though). Neither do I think the Injuns are gonna be a great draw from many places. There may be a smidgen of a AL versus NL crowd, but those guys are not as plentiful as the League would hope. (These are the guys who actually stand in the aisles, lean against the racks and study the preseason magazines at the Grocery Stores in January.) The only others I can think of would be people who have a few bucks at risk in the OTB shops and in Vegas. And maybe a bookie or three.

Now if the Crimson Hosiery make it, the TV audience would be a bit greater, and that would be good for the Rockies' PR Department.

But I think the Injuns are gonna do it. I could be wrong, but I just don't think so.....

hahaha, sorry, that was supposed to say fledgling.

[Jens1893]

Originally Posted by 24champbailey

not just a one year extension, but they offered him less money than what he made this year...About 2 million less.


Joe Girardi is most likely to be the next manager.

I like this for the sole fact that someone stood up to Steinbrenner and showed him that he can´t hang people out dry in public and then expect them to do what he wants when he changes his mind.

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Sorry but that Horse ****. Both the Os and the Blue Jay have the ability to put quality teams on the field that can compete. The Jays brought in number of high price talent via FA that got hurt or they would be right in the thick of AL EAST last two seasons. Aneglos was more worried about protecting the money going into his pocket then he was worried about that team. He basically fielded a crappy team so that MLB would pay him to allow the Nationals to play in DC (he gets a piece of the National TV deal and forced the local cable companies to put his crappy tv station on the boxes if the wanted to show Nationals games). That man is pure scum. I really feel sorry for that fan base, that team has the ability to make more $ then Red Soxs due to the market.

And as Sweet Lou has said before the TB ownership group aren't interest in winning but spending as little as possible and collecting their piece of the revenue share pie.

With all due respect, I think you're wrong. There is an upper tier in baseball that can afford to spend ridiculous money on salaries: the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs. Two of those teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are willing to spend it. Are the other teams cheap because they won't spend $150 million in salaries? I think they're realistic about how much money they can afford to lose.

I can't defend the likes of the Devil Rays, with their $24 million in salaries. But Peter Angelos? He's an idiot, but he's spending $94 million in 2007. The Blue Jays are at $81 million. That puts them in the top half of baseball - the Orioles, in the top ten. But even in the top ten, the Orioles could double the salary of every one of their players, and they still would be behind the Yankees.

So again, I contend that there is almost no way to compete in the same division over 162 games against teams that are doubling and tripling what you're spending on salaries. And I think it's elitist to say that a team spending in the top ten of baseball is somehow cheap, because they aren't willing to spend the ridiculous money of the top two.

Again, I am not blaming the Yankees or Red Sox. I am blaming the system that allows it. I don't like those teams - especially the Red Sox. But as I said before, my justification for that isn't really rational. It's not irrational to say that a league that allows one team to spend eight times more than another cannot be healthy.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by Jens1893

I like this for the sole fact that someone stood up to Steinbrenner and showed him that he can´t hang people out dry in public and then expect them to do what he wants when he changes his mind.

I don't think the Boss is calling the shots anymore, I think his sons are taking over now who could probably be bigger A-holes than the Boss.They knew with the 5 million dollar for one year offer that Torre would reject it and why it took two weeks to do it just tells me that the FO of the Yankees are clueless.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

With all due respect, I think you're wrong. There is an upper tier in baseball that can afford to spend ridiculous money on salaries: the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs. Two of those teams (Yankees and Red Sox) are willing to spend it. Are the other teams cheap because they won't spend $150 million in salaries? I think they're realistic about how much money they can afford to lose.

I can't defend the likes of the Devil Rays, with their $24 million in salaries. But Peter Angelos? He's an idiot, but he's spending $94 million in 2007. The Blue Jays are at $81 million. That puts them in the top half of baseball - the Orioles, in the top ten. But even in the top ten, the Orioles could double the salary of every one of their players, and they still would be behind the Yankees.

So again, I contend that there is almost no way to compete in the same division over 162 games against teams that are doubling and tripling what you're spending on salaries. And I think it's elitist to say that a team spending in the top ten of baseball is somehow cheap, because they aren't willing to spend the ridiculous money of the top two.

Again, I am not blaming the Yankees or Red Sox. I am blaming the system that allows it. I don't like those teams - especially the Red Sox. But as I said before, my justification for that isn't really rational. It's not irrational to say that a league that allows one team to spend eight times more than another cannot be healthy.

The problem that I have the teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Jays and Os) aren't losing money, and in Aneglos case he more then an idoit he is money hunger scum. Go look back and look at the crap he threaten MLB with to keep baseball out of DC.

Back to the point all the owners knew the system that they bought into and they have had the ability to change it at anytime. So if they aren't willing compete in agreed upon system, then get out.

It might sound elitist but I am glad I support a team that ownership group is willing to get resources into Fenway to win. I suffered through enough Hosey types to be glad that my team is going quality product on the field these days.

[DomCasual]

Originally Posted by elsid13

The problem that I have the teams (Yankees, Red Sox, Jays and Os) aren't losing money, and in Aneglos case he more then an idoit he is money hunger scum. Go look back and look at the crap he threaten MLB with to keep baseball out of DC.

Back to the point all the owners knew the system that they bought into and they have had the ability to change it at anytime. So if they aren't willing compete in agreed upon system, then get out.

It might sound elitist but I am glad I support a team that ownership group is willing to get resources into Fenway to win. I suffered through enough Hosey types to be glad that my team is going quality product on the field these days.

Well, I can't argue with any of that. I acknowledge the fact that Peter Angelos is a fool. But for years and years, the other owners responded to his threats about putting a team in DC. That being said, that is just one of the issues that makes Angelos a fool.

And the owners in baseball are jackasses. They have over a hundred years of jackass history to draw on. They can't be trusted - by the players, the fans, or themselves. They are unbelievably short-sighted - unbelievably! Baseball succeeds in spite of these buffoons.

And I don't blame you for being glad you follow a team with aggressive ownership. That's why I say my feelings about it aren't rational. I would LOVE to have that situation. I HATE the Monforts - the last month has lessened that, but it's still pretty strong. I resent that they won't sell the club to a guy like Stan Kroenke, who has shown Denver sports fans, time and time again, that he will invest what it takes to build a winner. Their justification? They want the team to be passed to their progeny - it's a hobby that's fun for the whole family, apparently. So, essentially, what they're saying is, "The Monforts are more important than the baseball fans in the city of Denver!"

I am THRILLED for what the Rockies have done this year. But Dan O'Dowd has done that in spite of the restraints the Monforts have put on him. And if they open up the coffers the next two years to lock up some of their young stars, I will happily eat my words about them.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by DomCasual

Well, I can't argue with any of that. I acknowledge the fact that Peter Angelos is a fool. But for years and years, the other owners responded to his threats about putting a team in DC. That being said, that is just one of the issues that makes Angelos a fool.

And the owners in baseball are jackasses. They have over a hundred years of jackass history to draw on. They can't be trusted - by the players, the fans, or themselves. They are unbelievably short-sighted - unbelievably! Baseball succeeds in spite of these buffoons.

And I don't blame you for being glad you follow a team with aggressive ownership. That's why I say my feelings about it aren't rational. I would LOVE to have that situation. I HATE the Monforts - the last month has lessened that, but it's still pretty strong. I resent that they won't sell the club to a guy like Stan Kroenke, who has shown Denver sports fans, time and time again, that he will invest what it takes to build a winner. Their justification? They want the team to be passed to their progeny - it's a hobby that's fun for the whole family, apparently. So, essentially, what they're saying is, "The Monforts are more important than the baseball fans in the city of Denver!"

I am THRILLED for what the Rockies have done this year. But Dan O'Dowd has done that in spite of the restraints the Monforts have put on him. And if they open up the coffers the next two years to lock up some of their young stars, I will happily eat my words about them.

Look I understand your position, but I'm just tried of the excuse that some fans use that their team can not compete because Yankees and Red Sox spend to much money. Isn't it the America way to get best and the brightest?

The problem isn't those teams, it ownership groups that rather pocket money then embrace the rules and exploit them. I hope for your sake and rest of Rockie fans that the Monforts don't use this season as excuse not to improve your team and keep it competitive next season. I will argue in today media age there aren't any small market teams, just teams that are unwilling to be competitive.


And I will even acknoweldge that Sox for last 5 year have collect to many freaking bandwagon fans because it was cool to root for them. It piss me off that none of those a-holes know the history of the team or weren't there through all crap my grandfather, father, male relatives, brother and myself had to endure when rooting for this team.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by BMF Bronco

hahaha, sorry, that was supposed to say fledgling.

Yeah. Just kidding ya a little...

[SpringStein]

As a Rockies fan...

should I be cheering for this series to go 7 and wear down the pitching staff of the winning team?

or

Have the Indians finish it off and have 5 days off?

[Hogan11]

If the Tribe gets in, this will be the first World Series since 1997 without one of the big money 8 in it.

[Hogan11]

Boo Sox up 1-0

[Hogan11]

Tribe ties it up 1-1

[rubaiyat]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Look I understand your position, but I'm just tried of the excuse that some fans use that their team can not compete because Yankees and Red Sox spend to much money. Isn't it the America way to get best and the brightest?

The problem isn't those teams, it ownership groups that rather pocket money then embrace the rules and exploit them. I hope for your sake and rest of Rockie fans that the Monforts don't use this season as excuse not to improve your team and keep it competitive next season. I will argue in today media age there aren't any small market teams, just teams that are unwilling to be competitive.


And I will even acknoweldge that Sox for last 5 year have collect to many freaking bandwagon fans because it was cool to root for them. It piss me off that none of those a-holes know the history of the team or weren't there through all crap my grandfather, father, male relatives, brother and myself had to endure when rooting for this team.

It's also the American way to be an individualist and selfmade man on a level playing field by the sweat of your brow. That's the dream in a nutshell.

As such, the only truly equitable system by that notion is then to put a half dozen teams in New York or any major city and split the fanbases and revenue that way.

[Hogan11]

A hard salary cap with a salary floor is needed...the "luxury tax" is a complete joke.

[Sassy]

Ugh...Indians are getting killed.

[OrangeShadow]

10Ks for beckett

[PatsWin2002]

Originally Posted by Sassy

Ugh...Indians are getting killed.

We might have to put in Gagne before this one gets out of hand.

[RhymesayersDU]

Originally Posted by Jens1893

I like this for the sole fact that someone stood up to Steinbrenner and showed him that he can´t hang people out dry in public and then expect them to do what he wants when he changes his mind.

Agreed 100%. I wanted Torre to quit before the last game, even though he would have hung the team out to dry and been totally unprofessional. Obviously as sports fans, we see this type of thing all the time. What have you done for me lately, etc. But to do it publicly? That was pretty ****ty. I'm real glad Torre refused. He deserved better.

[Paladin]

The Sawks win it. Now to Fenway for number 6. This is the game that means it all. If the Sawks win, they should cruise to the Series in game seven.

To be frank, I think the Rockies can play with either of them.....

[Jens1893]

Originally Posted by Paladin

The Sawks win it. Now to Fenway for number 6. This is the game that means it all. If the Sawks win, they should cruise to the Series in game seven.

To be frank, I think the Rockies can play with either of them.....

With Dice K on the mound?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm a huge tribe fan and now terrified. Did not want this to go back to Fenway and agree that if it goes to game 7, we stand little chance...Dice K or no Dice K. Thankfully we have our best pitcher going on Sat...lets hope he goes F up like last game.

[OrangeShadow]

that josh becketts a pretty good pitcher ey?