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Old 02-05-2007, 02:14 PM   #1
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Now there aren't really anything to bash him about now since he has a ring. You knew he would get one sooner or later. When your team consistently has 12 wins you will get to the SB at some point. I know he isn't popular here because he rapes Denver everytime he plays them but he is the best QB in the league now.

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Old 02-05-2007, 02:20 PM   #2
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I'm not ready to call him the best ever. I'd definitely put him in my top 10, probably even my top 5. I still think he's a better QB than Brady, although that's not a popular opinion around here.
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Elway is best ever.

JMO.

Give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:23 PM   #4
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He will break every passing record known to man barring injury, probably get at least one more ring. It will be hard to not count him as one of the top 3 at the minimum.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:23 PM   #5
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Elway is best ever.

JMO.

Give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.
I agree. Actually Skip Bayless was just talking about this on Cold Pizza. He had Brady at #2, Elway at #4, and Manning at #10. I remember him also mentioning Montana (I think #1), Unitas, Bradshaw, Namath (at 8th?), Staubach (#5?), and Marino.
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This thread makes me want to puke a little...blah.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:25 PM   #7
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He will break every passing record known to man barring injury, probably get at least one more ring. It will be hard to not count him as one of the top 3 at the minimum.
True. I think he will be in the top 3, but he's not a lock yet.
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Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:26 PM   #9
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This thread makes me want to puke a little...blah.
I don't like him either. Putting that aside, he's a hell of a QB.
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I agree. Actually Skip Bayless was just talking about this on Cold Pizza. He had Brady at #2, Elway at #4, and Manning at #10. I remember him also mentioning Montana (I think #1), Unitas, Bradshaw, Namath (at 8th?), Staubach (#5?), and Marino.
Anyone that puts Namath in thier top 20 QBs of All-time is a moron.

I'd take Randall Cunningham over him, certainly Moon, Esiason, Young, Kelly, Fouts, McNabb, even McNair, Blanda, Plunkett, Tarkenton, Aikman, and maybe even Joe Thiesmann.

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Manning and the Colts were doing what they could to give the game away. Unfortunately, the Bears were also in a giving mood. I wasn't impressed...
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:33 PM   #12
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Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.
Montana had better teams than Manning.

Elway had a better arm, scrambling ability, and an uncanny ability to win at the end of the game.

Marino has the records and probably the quickest release ever.

Favre has a better arm and scrambling ability than Manning.

Brady has more rings at such a young age. Other than that, I don't see anything that makes him stand out.

Manning can decipher what the defense is doing as well as, if not better, than anyone. Plus, he's pretty darn accurate.
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Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.
This is a classic post, Before he was great but couldn't win, now he won and his performance was subpar, now he needs another ring to win.

Do you remember Elways numbers from the first SB? Don't matter rings do.

Nice try though. He is a great QB whether you like him or not.
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:34 PM   #14
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Right, wrong, or indifferent he very well may go down as the best ever.

At his current pace he's going to blow all passing records out of the water and will likely give Elway's (probably Favre's) wins record a run.

Top being the most prolific passer of all-time off with multiple league MVP honors, [at least one] Super Bowl victory, and [at least 1] Super Bowl MVP and, most likely, he'll become "the greatest."
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Anyone that puts Namath in thier top 20 QBs of All-time is a moron.

I'd take Randall Cunningham over him, certainly Moon, Esiason, Young, Kelly, Fouts, McNabb, even McNair, Blanda, Plunkett, Tarkenton, Aikman, and maybe even Joe Thiesmann.
I didn't agree with Namath at #8 or Brady at #2.
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This is a classic post, Before he was great but couldn't win, now he won and his performance was subpar, now he needs another ring to win.

Do you remember Elways numbers from the first SB? Don't matter rings do.

Nice try though. He is a great QB whether you like him or not.
I'm not saying he isn't great, I'm just saying Elway and Montana are greater.

Like I said, he is right there with the guys that put up big numbers, but only played in a couple SBs. Greatness is winning in the playoffs.

Elway played in 5 Super Bowls winning the last 2 with no ACL. That puts him over Manning. Montana played in 4 winning all of them, MVP in 3. Nuff said.
Brady has 3 rings, and solid numbers.

Mannng has one ring and #'s like Farve, and Marino who only played in one SB, but lost to a great SF team. That is why he is below Elway and Montana.

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Old 02-05-2007, 02:43 PM   #17
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Old 02-05-2007, 02:50 PM   #18
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If each one of the these QBs played on the same average team with an decent defense, I think Elway goes to the most Super Bowls. Favre and Marino have also done well without an excellent team and a very good defense. Montana and Brady's SB success is, in a large part, based on their coaches (Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick) and the strength of their supporting cast.
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Bernie Kosar vs Joe Namath, who you got?

I'd take Dave Krieg over Namath all day. Phil Simms too. Bledsoe, and Kenny Anderson too. That's like 20+ better than Namath right there. I'm really not Suzy Kolber's brother, Namath just sucked.

It is so funny how people think Namath was some great football player in the NFL.

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Old 02-05-2007, 03:08 PM   #20
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Right, wrong, or indifferent he very well may go down as the best ever.

At his current pace he's going to blow all passing records out of the water and will likely give Elway's (probably Favre's) wins record a run.

Top being the most prolific passer of all-time off with multiple league MVP honors, [at least one] Super Bowl victory, and [at least 1] Super Bowl MVP and, most likely, he'll become "the greatest."
I agree the stats will declare him the greatest but lets not forget the rule changes that have changed the face of the game through his generation...
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:37 PM   #21
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Imagine Elway with Harrison Wayne and Addai/Edge early in his career. Elway took a crappy teams to 3 sb's before winning last 2. I think the experts forget Montana and Manning had more weapons.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:40 PM   #22
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Absolutely, no other qb to ever have the horseshoe helmet can even compare.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:40 PM   #23
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Manning isn't the best ever. I'd still take Elway over him. I'd take Steve Young over him too.

It's stating the obvious to say that he's one of the best of this generation... I guess the real question beomes "is he *the* best of this generation?" I don't think we'll ever see the end of the Manning/Brady debate, which is good for the game.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:47 PM   #24
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How about we see if he can continue to put up large numbers every season. Injuries are a part of the game so anything can happen. I think he needs more Super Bowl appearances to be considered one of the best ever along with the large #'s.
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Old 02-05-2007, 03:52 PM   #25
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Best ever? Doubtful. Besides, if you ask 10 experts to give a list of the best 10 QBs of all time, and you would get 10 different lists, with as many as 4 QBs occupying the top spot.

Also, I am not sold on the "hes now the best cuz he got a ring" arguement. His play this season definitely got his team to the playoffs, but the team won in the playoffs and the big game in spite of Manning.
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