Will Manning go down as best ever? - The Orange Mane

azbroncfan · 02-05-2007, 02:14 PM

Now there aren't really anything to bash him about now since he has a ring. You knew he would get one sooner or later. When your team consistently has 12 wins you will get to the SB at some point. I know he isn't popular here because he rapes Denver everytime he plays them but he is the best QB in the league now.

Any thoughts?

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:20 PM

I'm not ready to call him the best ever. I'd definitely put him in my top 10, probably even my top 5. I still think he's a better QB than Brady, although that's not a popular opinion around here.

Rock Chalk · 02-05-2007, 02:20 PM

Elway is best ever.

JMO.

Give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.

azbroncfan · 02-05-2007, 02:23 PM

He will break every passing record known to man barring injury, probably get at least one more ring. It will be hard to not count him as one of the top 3 at the minimum.

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alec

Elway is best ever.

JMO.

Give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.

I agree. Actually Skip Bayless was just talking about this on Cold Pizza. He had Brady at #2, Elway at #4, and Manning at #10. I remember him also mentioning Montana (I think #1), Unitas, Bradshaw, Namath (at 8th?), Staubach (#5?), and Marino.

Sassy · 02-05-2007, 02:23 PM

This thread makes me want to puke a little...blah.

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

He will break every passing record known to man barring injury, probably get at least one more ring. It will be hard to not count him as one of the top 3 at the minimum.

True. I think he will be in the top 3, but he's not a lock yet.

freak6 · 02-05-2007, 02:25 PM

Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy

This thread makes me want to puke a little...blah.

I don't like him either. Putting that aside, he's a hell of a QB.

freak6 · 02-05-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Billy

I agree. Actually Skip Bayless was just talking about this on Cold Pizza. He had Brady at #2, Elway at #4, and Manning at #10. I remember him also mentioning Montana (I think #1), Unitas, Bradshaw, Namath (at 8th?), Staubach (#5?), and Marino.

Anyone that puts Namath in thier top 20 QBs of All-time is a moron.

I'd take Randall Cunningham over him, certainly Moon, Esiason, Young, Kelly, Fouts, McNabb, even McNair, Blanda, Plunkett, Tarkenton, Aikman, and maybe even Joe Thiesmann.

Crushaholic · 02-05-2007, 02:27 PM

Manning and the Colts were doing what they could to give the game away. Unfortunately, the Bears were also in a giving mood. I wasn't impressed...

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.

Montana had better teams than Manning.

Elway had a better arm, scrambling ability, and an uncanny ability to win at the end of the game.

Marino has the records and probably the quickest release ever.

Favre has a better arm and scrambling ability than Manning.

Brady has more rings at such a young age. Other than that, I don't see anything that makes him stand out.

Manning can decipher what the defense is doing as well as, if not better, than anyone. Plus, he's pretty darn accurate.

azbroncfan · 02-05-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.

This is a classic post, Before he was great but couldn't win, now he won and his performance was subpar, now he needs another ring to win.

Do you remember Elways numbers from the first SB? Don't matter rings do.

Nice try though. He is a great QB whether you like him or not.

toad · 02-05-2007, 02:34 PM

Right, wrong, or indifferent he very well may go down as the best ever.

At his current pace he's going to blow all passing records out of the water and will likely give Elway's (probably Favre's) wins record a run.

Top being the most prolific passer of all-time off with multiple league MVP honors, [at least one] Super Bowl victory, and [at least 1] Super Bowl MVP and, most likely, he'll become "the greatest."

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Anyone that puts Namath in thier top 20 QBs of All-time is a moron.

I'd take Randall Cunningham over him, certainly Moon, Esiason, Young, Kelly, Fouts, McNabb, even McNair, Blanda, Plunkett, Tarkenton, Aikman, and maybe even Joe Thiesmann.

I didn't agree with Namath at #8 or Brady at #2.

freak6 · 02-05-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

This is a classic post, Before he was great but couldn't win, now he won and his performance was subpar, now he needs another ring to win.

Do you remember Elways numbers from the first SB? Don't matter rings do.

Nice try though. He is a great QB whether you like him or not.

I'm not saying he isn't great, I'm just saying Elway and Montana are greater.

Like I said, he is right there with the guys that put up big numbers, but only played in a couple SBs. Greatness is winning in the playoffs.

Elway played in 5 Super Bowls winning the last 2 with no ACL. That puts him over Manning. Montana played in 4 winning all of them, MVP in 3. Nuff said.
Brady has 3 rings, and solid numbers.

Mannng has one ring and #'s like Farve, and Marino who only played in one SB, but lost to a great SF team. That is why he is below Elway and Montana.

Rohirrim · 02-05-2007, 02:43 PM

Nope.

Bronco Billy · 02-05-2007, 02:50 PM

If each one of the these QBs played on the same average team with an decent defense, I think Elway goes to the most Super Bowls. Favre and Marino have also done well without an excellent team and a very good defense. Montana and Brady's SB success is, in a large part, based on their coaches (Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick) and the strength of their supporting cast.

freak6 · 02-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Bernie Kosar vs Joe Namath, who you got?

I'd take Dave Krieg over Namath all day. Phil Simms too. Bledsoe, and Kenny Anderson too. That's like 20+ better than Namath right there. I'm really not Suzy Kolber's brother, Namath just sucked.

It is so funny how people think Namath was some great football player in the NFL.

DivineLegion · 02-05-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by toad

Right, wrong, or indifferent he very well may go down as the best ever.

At his current pace he's going to blow all passing records out of the water and will likely give Elway's (probably Favre's) wins record a run.

Top being the most prolific passer of all-time off with multiple league MVP honors, [at least one] Super Bowl victory, and [at least 1] Super Bowl MVP and, most likely, he'll become "the greatest."

I agree the stats will declare him the greatest but lets not forget the rule changes that have changed the face of the game through his generation...

NFLBRONCO · 02-05-2007, 03:37 PM

Imagine Elway with Harrison Wayne and Addai/Edge early in his career. Elway took a crappy teams to 3 sb's before winning last 2. I think the experts forget Montana and Manning had more weapons.

bendog · 02-05-2007, 03:40 PM

Absolutely, no other qb to ever have the horseshoe helmet can even compare.

Taco John · 02-05-2007, 03:40 PM

Manning isn't the best ever. I'd still take Elway over him. I'd take Steve Young over him too.

It's stating the obvious to say that he's one of the best of this generation... I guess the real question beomes "is he *the* best of this generation?" I don't think we'll ever see the end of the Manning/Brady debate, which is good for the game.

maven · 02-05-2007, 03:47 PM

How about we see if he can continue to put up large numbers every season. Injuries are a part of the game so anything can happen. I think he needs more Super Bowl appearances to be considered one of the best ever along with the large #'s.

loborugger · 02-05-2007, 03:52 PM

Best ever? Doubtful. Besides, if you ask 10 experts to give a list of the best 10 QBs of all time, and you would get 10 different lists, with as many as 4 QBs occupying the top spot.

Also, I am not sold on the "hes now the best cuz he got a ring" arguement. His play this season definitely got his team to the playoffs, but the team won in the playoffs and the big game in spite of Manning.

02-05-2007, 02:56 PM	#19
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	Bernie Kosar vs Joe Namath, who you got? I'd take Dave Krieg over Namath all day. Phil Simms too. Bledsoe, and Kenny Anderson too. That's like 20+ better than Namath right there. I'm really not Suzy Kolber's brother, Namath just sucked. It is so funny how people think Namath was some great football player in the NFL. Last edited by freak6; 02-05-2007 at 03:03 PM..

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02-05-2007, 02:14 PM	#1
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Will Manning go down as best ever? Now there aren't really anything to bash him about now since he has a ring. You knew he would get one sooner or later. When your team consistently has 12 wins you will get to the SB at some point. I know he isn't popular here because he rapes Denver everytime he plays them but he is the best QB in the league now. Any thoughts?

02-05-2007, 02:20 PM	#2
Bronco Billy Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,322	I'm not ready to call him the best ever. I'd definitely put him in my top 10, probably even my top 5. I still think he's a better QB than Brady, although that's not a popular opinion around here.

02-05-2007, 02:20 PM	#3
Rock Chalk Cheeky Bastards Laus Deo Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Backside of the Internet Posts: 29,940 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Elway is best ever. JMO. Give me Elway over Manning any day of the week.

02-05-2007, 02:23 PM	#4
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	He will break every passing record known to man barring injury, probably get at least one more ring. It will be hard to not count him as one of the top 3 at the minimum.

02-05-2007, 02:23 PM	#6
Sassy Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: ND Posts: 37,952 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	This thread makes me want to puke a little...blah.

02-05-2007, 02:25 PM	#8
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	Manning has the #'s, but his playoff performance this year was sub par for his standards. If he wins another ring, then I think he is in the conversation with Elway and Montana. As of right now, he is right there with Farve, Marino, and Brady.

02-05-2007, 02:27 PM	#11
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	Manning and the Colts were doing what they could to give the game away. Unfortunately, the Bears were also in a giving mood. I wasn't impressed...

02-05-2007, 02:34 PM	#14
toad Pro Bowler Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 657 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Clark	Right, wrong, or indifferent he very well may go down as the best ever. At his current pace he's going to blow all passing records out of the water and will likely give Elway's (probably Favre's) wins record a run. Top being the most prolific passer of all-time off with multiple league MVP honors, [at least one] Super Bowl victory, and [at least 1] Super Bowl MVP and, most likely, he'll become "the greatest."

02-05-2007, 02:43 PM	#17
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,787	Nope.

02-05-2007, 02:50 PM	#18
Bronco Billy Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,322	If each one of the these QBs played on the same average team with an decent defense, I think Elway goes to the most Super Bowls. Favre and Marino have also done well without an excellent team and a very good defense. Montana and Brady's SB success is, in a large part, based on their coaches (Bill Walsh and Bill Belichick) and the strength of their supporting cast.

02-05-2007, 03:37 PM	#21
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,381	Imagine Elway with Harrison Wayne and Addai/Edge early in his career. Elway took a crappy teams to 3 sb's before winning last 2. I think the experts forget Montana and Manning had more weapons.

02-05-2007, 03:40 PM	#22
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Absolutely, no other qb to ever have the horseshoe helmet can even compare.

02-05-2007, 03:40 PM	#23
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Manning isn't the best ever. I'd still take Elway over him. I'd take Steve Young over him too. It's stating the obvious to say that he's one of the best of this generation... I guess the real question beomes "is he the best of this generation?" I don't think we'll ever see the end of the Manning/Brady debate, which is good for the game.

02-05-2007, 03:47 PM	#24
maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,736	How about we see if he can continue to put up large numbers every season. Injuries are a part of the game so anything can happen. I think he needs more Super Bowl appearances to be considered one of the best ever along with the large #'s.

02-05-2007, 03:52 PM	#25
loborugger lost in the ether Did we finally get a FB??? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The 'cuse Posts: 5,783 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Best ever? Doubtful. Besides, if you ask 10 experts to give a list of the best 10 QBs of all time, and you would get 10 different lists, with as many as 4 QBs occupying the top spot. Also, I am not sold on the "hes now the best cuz he got a ring" arguement. His play this season definitely got his team to the playoffs, but the team won in the playoffs and the big game in spite of Manning.