Carr available for a third? - The Orange Mane

Rascal · 01-27-2007, 03:08 PM

According to a local newspaper that seems to be the case. Kind of sets the market for Plummer as well IMO, and if Carr is traded Houston becomes the #1 candidate for Plummer to end up.

Oakland and any other place needing a QB would be foolish not to offer a conditional fourth rounder for him.

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The Houston Chronicle reports the general feeling around the Senior Bowl was that David Carr can be had in exchange for a third-round pick.

The Chronicle cautions that it's too early to tell if the talk is legitimate, but multiple sources were aware of the Texans' supposed asking price in Mobile. One personnel official said Houston won't get a third-rounder for Carr, and a conditional fourth-round pick would be more realistic.

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon...d_the_nfl.html

Clockwork Orange · 01-27-2007, 03:12 PM

Interesting. Makes you wonder if Houston might be looking to move up for a QB in the draft. They could get Plummer, but he's nothing more than a stopgap at this point.

RunSilentRunDeep · 01-27-2007, 03:42 PM

I think Jake's value would higher than Carr's. Jake has proven he can win, has and extra year on his contract and is slight cheaper.

Carr's $
2007 5250000.00
2008 6000000.00

Jake's
2007 5300000.00
2008 4800000.00
2009 5800000.00

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-27-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

According to a local newspaper that seems to be the case. Kind of sets the market for Plummer as well IMO, and if Carr is traded Houston becomes the #1 candidate for Plummer to end up.

Oakland and any other place needing a QB would be foolish not to offer a conditional fourth rounder for him.

They have the #1 pick. Why would they need Carr when they can draft JaMarcus Russell? And why would Kubiak dump the starting QB for a 3rd round draft choice just so he could bring in a guy who had the horrendous year Jake had last year.

Is Jake an improvement over Carr? No. Houston's best bed is to continue to build an offensive line that can keep Carr on his feet.

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-27-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunSilentRunDeep

I think Jake's value would higher than Carr's. Jake has proven he can win, has and extra year on his contract and is slight cheaper.

Jake's proven he can win with an offensive system that let's him roll outside the pocket and that he can't hanlde a full playbook. Why would anyone that doesn't employ that system, that is unique to Denver...want him enought o trade for him after the year he just had...especially since we're going to have to cut him anyway?

Dudeskey · 01-27-2007, 04:57 PM

Carr's contract- too ****in' expensive... rip up the contract first, then we'll talk

watermock · 01-27-2007, 05:14 PM

Both Jake and Carr have to burn their contracts. I would love to do a Jake for Carr swap, but we would have to redo contracts obviously. The point is, while Jake will contest for the starters job, Carr would be a backup barring injury. The problem has been that Carr has spent more time on his back than Paris Hilton.

What a coup if we could pull that one off. Carr won't want to give up starter status so it's an opium dream.

cutthemdown · 01-27-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Interesting. Makes you wonder if Houston might be looking to move up for a QB in the draft. They could get Plummer, but he's nothing more than a stopgap at this point.

You may have guessed it. Kubiak lets Carr leave. Grabs a young qb or 2 through the draft. Trades for Plummer. Then Plummer gets to have 1-2 more years as a starter to try and prove people wrong agian. Kubiak gets a qb he prob feels he can win more games then he loses. And the Texan fans get a young qb in the draft to call for when Plummer doesn't play well. Everyone will be happy. DONT MESS WITH TEXAS!!!!!!!!!

cutthemdown · 01-27-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Jake's proven he can win with an offensive system that let's him roll outside the pocket and that he can't hanlde a full playbook. Why would anyone that doesn't employ that system, that is unique to Denver...want him enought o trade for him after the year he just had...especially since we're going to have to cut him anyway?

Well Kubiak would be the one coach I think who feels he could win with Plummer. Kubiak doesn't see him though as a franchise qb. Kubiak may feel though Plummer would be good for 1-2 years while he grooms this years draft pick.

broncolife · 01-27-2007, 05:20 PM

The only reason I think Kubes would go after Plummer is that as a new coach he has to prove himself quickly. Knowing that plummer can run a 1/10 of the playbook pretty well, he could stick him in there and do decent enough to buy him enough time to find a replacement.

baja · 01-27-2007, 05:32 PM

What would be funny is if Houston signs Lelie than trades for Plummer.

Dudeskey · 01-27-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

The problem has been that Carr has spent more time on his back than Paris Hilton.

Jesterhole · 01-27-2007, 06:13 PM

Not taking Young (or even Bush) with the first pick will haunt this franchise for years.

cutthemdown · 01-27-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesterhole

Not taking Young (or even Bush) with the first pick will haunt this franchise for years.

This could be true. Only time will tell.

BABronco · 01-27-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

This could be true. Only time will tell.

probably will be true

manchambo · 01-27-2007, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunSilentRunDeep

I think Jake's value would higher than Carr's. Jake has proven he can win, has and extra year on his contract and is slight cheaper.

Carr's $
2007 5250000.00
2008 6000000.00

Jake's
2007 5300000.00
2008 4800000.00
2009 5800000.00

I was going to suggest a trade of Plummer for Carr, until I saw those salary numbers. He would be a more than adequate backup.

Paladin · 01-27-2007, 07:27 PM

Is there an actual, decent QB for Kubes to lust after this year? Frankly, I thought Carr was a pretty fair QB if they could have given him better protection. OTOH, Carr may want out in order to get over the anxiety tics he has developed over the years. Carr may just not be suited to the O schemes they tried. If he doesn't "work" in Texas, what makes you think he'd "work" in Denver?

Taco John · 01-27-2007, 07:44 PM

It would be great if we could get Houston's 4th rounder for Plummer. Anything above that would be incredible.

Killericon · 01-27-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Plummer would be good for 1-2 years while he grooms this years draft pick.

Man, where have I heard THAT one before?

atomicbloke · 01-27-2007, 07:56 PM

Did everyone forget that Kyle Shanahan just got promoted to QB coach in Houston?

I think Plummer has had enough of the Shanny family and vice versa....

Orange_Beard · 01-27-2007, 07:58 PM

What kind of car? Like an SUV or something?

chaz · 01-27-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

It would be great if we could get Houston's 4th rounder for Plummer. Anything above that would be incredible.

with the market being so thin, i think we should refuse any pick that isnt on the first day

RunSilentRunDeep · 01-27-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Jake's proven he can win with an offensive system that let's him roll outside the pocket and that he can't hanlde a full playbook. Why would anyone that doesn't employ that system, that is unique to Denver...want him enought o trade for him after the year he just had...especially since we're going to have to cut him anyway?

That's nonsense. He didn't have a full playbook when he threw for 4000+ yards and 27 TDs? You think Denver invented the QB rollout? There's lots of teams that put their QB on the move. He had a bad year and still went 7-4. He's a good leader and he teammates always liked playing with him. Just cause he's not John Elway doesn't mean he sucks. Teams trade for a guy if they're worried they won't land him as a free agent. There's also value to getting a guy learning your system in March rather than June.

ludo21 · 01-27-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chaz

with the market being so thin, i think we should refuse any pick that isnt on the first day

ummm nooo

I gotta find that post again that showed all the QB's last year that went for mid to late round picks.

Plummer wont garner anything better than a 4th. In reality i doubt we get anything out of him, but if were offered something, i hope Shanny takes it.

rugbythug · 01-27-2007, 09:35 PM

Coaches invariably feel that they are the ones who can make a guy better. That is why Plummer will be a starter next year.

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01-27-2007, 03:08 PM	#1
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	Carr available for a third? According to a local newspaper that seems to be the case. Kind of sets the market for Plummer as well IMO, and if Carr is traded Houston becomes the #1 candidate for Plummer to end up. Oakland and any other place needing a QB would be foolish not to offer a conditional fourth rounder for him. ---------------------------------------------- The Houston Chronicle reports the general feeling around the Senior Bowl was that David Carr can be had in exchange for a third-round pick. The Chronicle cautions that it's too early to tell if the talk is legitimate, but multiple sources were aware of the Texans' supposed asking price in Mobile. One personnel official said Houston won't get a third-rounder for Carr, and a conditional fourth-round pick would be more realistic. http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon...d_the_nfl.html

01-27-2007, 03:12 PM	#2
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Interesting. Makes you wonder if Houston might be looking to move up for a QB in the draft. They could get Plummer, but he's nothing more than a stopgap at this point.

01-27-2007, 03:42 PM	#3
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	I think Jake's value would higher than Carr's. Jake has proven he can win, has and extra year on his contract and is slight cheaper. Carr's $ 2007 5250000.00 2008 6000000.00 Jake's 2007 5300000.00 2008 4800000.00 2009 5800000.00

01-27-2007, 04:57 PM	#6
Dudeskey Ring of Famer This space for rent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,314	Carr's contract- too ****in' expensive... rip up the contract first, then we'll talk

01-27-2007, 05:14 PM	#7
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Both Jake and Carr have to burn their contracts. I would love to do a Jake for Carr swap, but we would have to redo contracts obviously. The point is, while Jake will contest for the starters job, Carr would be a backup barring injury. The problem has been that Carr has spent more time on his back than Paris Hilton. What a coup if we could pull that one off. Carr won't want to give up starter status so it's an opium dream.

01-27-2007, 05:20 PM	#10
broncolife Master masturbator! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 3,395	The only reason I think Kubes would go after Plummer is that as a new coach he has to prove himself quickly. Knowing that plummer can run a 1/10 of the playbook pretty well, he could stick him in there and do decent enough to buy him enough time to find a replacement.

01-27-2007, 05:32 PM	#11
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,854 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	What would be funny is if Houston signs Lelie than trades for Plummer.

01-27-2007, 06:13 PM	#13
Jesterhole Ring of Famer Ridin' the McFailboat... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,036	Not taking Young (or even Bush) with the first pick will haunt this franchise for years.

01-27-2007, 07:27 PM	#17
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	Is there an actual, decent QB for Kubes to lust after this year? Frankly, I thought Carr was a pretty fair QB if they could have given him better protection. OTOH, Carr may want out in order to get over the anxiety tics he has developed over the years. Carr may just not be suited to the O schemes they tried. If he doesn't "work" in Texas, what makes you think he'd "work" in Denver?

01-27-2007, 07:44 PM	#18
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	It would be great if we could get Houston's 4th rounder for Plummer. Anything above that would be incredible.

01-27-2007, 07:56 PM	#20
atomicbloke Ring of Famer La 12 Boca Juniors Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,347 Adopt-a-Bronco: Offensive Line	Did everyone forget that Kyle Shanahan just got promoted to QB coach in Houston? I think Plummer has had enough of the Shanny family and vice versa....

01-27-2007, 07:58 PM	#21
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	What kind of car? Like an SUV or something?

01-27-2007, 09:35 PM	#25
rugbythug Church Eyes. Salty Dog Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,787 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Miller	Coaches invariably feel that they are the ones who can make a guy better. That is why Plummer will be a starter next year.