Immigration--I might vote democrat

[Stormontheplains]

If nothing in the next two years are done about immigration, the GOP will lose my straight ticket votes. I absolutely hate the democrats, and I premise that with this, If John Edwards came to speak in my town, I would spit on him. I am sick to death of living in Mexico, sorry I mean Kansas. On the day of the walkout, all I saw were Mexican flags waving. The only flag flying should be the US flag period. My son is a freshman, his required reading for English class was a story of a man who illegally entered the country, picked strawberries, and the graduated from college. What happened to Shakespeare, what happened to killer angles. My 6 year old believes that Mexico is a great country, especially when he celebrates cinco de mayo at school. I am fed up and done. I love GW, The GOP, and now willing to let them go over this issue. I know alot of people who will jump ship as well, could be very very bad for the GOP in these hardcore red states.

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

If nothing in the next two years are done about immigration, the GOP will lose my straight ticket votes. I absolutely hate the democrats, and I premise that with this, If John Edwards came to speak in my town, I would spit on him. I am sick to death of living in Mexico, sorry I mean Kansas. On the day of the walkout, all I saw were Mexican flags waving. The only flag flying should be the US flag period. My son is a freshman, his required reading for English class was a story of a man who illegally entered the country, picked strawberries, and the graduated from college. What happened to Shakespeare, what happened to killer angles. My 6 year old believes that Mexico is a great country, especially when he celebrates cinco de mayo at school. I am fed up and done. I love GW, The GOP, and now willing to let them go over this issue. I know alot of people who will jump ship as well, could be very very bad for the GOP in these hardcore red states.

I hate GW's stance on immigration. In case nobody has figured it out over the last 6 years......GW is NOT a real conservative. That's why I don't like him. He does not share my views on most issues.

But if you think that our immigration policies will get better with a liberal in the White House, you're wrong.

[Garcia Bronco]

There is no black and white on this. Last night he said we need a solution to the illegals we have here, and we need to protect our borders(he called again to double the Border patrol as well as developing more technology. He also again asked for a worker program, which I agree with. We have to provide a legal means for our neighbors to vome here, work, and pay taxes.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

If nothing in the next two years are done about immigration, the GOP will lose my straight ticket votes. I absolutely hate the democrats, and I premise that with this, If John Edwards came to speak in my town, I would spit on him. I am sick to death of living in Mexico, sorry I mean Kansas. On the day of the walkout, all I saw were Mexican flags waving. The only flag flying should be the US flag period. My son is a freshman, his required reading for English class was a story of a man who illegally entered the country, picked strawberries, and the graduated from college. What happened to Shakespeare, what happened to killer angles. My 6 year old believes that Mexico is a great country, especially when he celebrates cinco de mayo at school. I am fed up and done. I love GW, The GOP, and now willing to let them go over this issue. I know alot of people who will jump ship as well, could be very very bad for the GOP in these hardcore red states.

Who exactly are you threatening in this thinly veiled tirade?

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Who exactly are you threatening in this thinly veiled tirade?

I believe he said he'd spit on an ambulance chaser...I'd join him....well...maybe not spit....but I would haze him aloud

[Stormontheplains]

I am all about the guest worker program. That is one thing that Canada has done correctly.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

There is no black and white on this. Last night he said we need a solution to the illegals we have here, and we need to protect our borders(he called again to double the Border patrol as well as developing more technology. He also again asked for a worker program, which I agree with. We have to provide a legal means for our neighbors to vome here, work, and pay taxes.

a big problem is the born here=resident thing. u can't bring in workers and expect them to leave w/ that policy. they'll just pop out some anchor babies and sit on u in court for 5 years.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by yavoon

a big problem is the born here=resident thing. u can't bring in workers and expect them to leave w/ that policy. they'll just pop out some anchor babies and sit on u in court for 5 years.

If I had my way they'd take the kids with them

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

If I had my way they'd take the kids with them

yah well the kids dont have to leave, and its morally very questionable to separate parents from kids. there is no good real world solution to marry guest worker and born here=citizen. u can do it and just accept that that is what a lot of ppl are gna do to u, but thats not a solution so much as putting up w/ the problem.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

If nothing in the next two years are done about immigration, the GOP will lose my straight ticket votes. I absolutely hate the democrats, and I premise that with this, If John Edwards came to speak in my town, I would spit on him. I am sick to death of living in Mexico, sorry I mean Kansas. On the day of the walkout, all I saw were Mexican flags waving. The only flag flying should be the US flag period. My son is a freshman, his required reading for English class was a story of a man who illegally entered the country, picked strawberries, and the graduated from college. What happened to Shakespeare, what happened to killer angles. My 6 year old believes that Mexico is a great country, especially when he celebrates cinco de mayo at school. I am fed up and done. I love GW, The GOP, and now willing to let them go over this issue. I know alot of people who will jump ship as well, could be very very bad for the GOP in these hardcore red states.

the DEMS control the House. Look their way if you would...dman

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by yavoon

a big problem is the born here=resident thing. u can't bring in workers and expect them to leave w/ that policy. they'll just pop out some anchor babies and sit on u in court for 5 years.

I agree with this. In Japan if neither parent is Japanese citizen, then the child is not a Japanese citizen.

It helps in their Korean immigration policy a great deal.

[Dudeskey]

Originally Posted by 55CrushEm

I hate GW's stance on immigration. In case nobody has figured it out over the last 6 years......GW is NOT a real conservative. That's why I don't like him. He does not share my views on most issues.

But if you think that our immigration policies will get better with a liberal in the White House, you're wrong.

well, if Tancredo had his way on that issue I wouldn't mind. On the flipside of that, Calderon needs to get his **** together down there so people don't have a reason to leave (like poverty, hint hint).

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by yavoon

yah well the kids dont have to leave, and its morally very questionable to separate parents from kids. there is no good real world solution to marry guest worker and born here=citizen. u can do it and just accept that that is what a lot of ppl are gna do to u, but thats not a solution so much as putting up w/ the problem.

I didn't say seperate them from their kids...I said send them with them. Just being born within the political borders of this country should not make anyone a Citizen anymore.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

I am all about the guest worker program. That is one thing that Canada has done correctly.

Sure let's invite a few million MORE over that never go home. No thanks. We have guest worker programs already, several of them.

This issue is common sense which I realize GW has little of. I hate the DEMS for being on his side oN this too.

You build a fence, put men with guns who can protect that border. Then you raise the fines and prison terms for the individuals who seek to circumvent the law by hiring
illegal aliens because they refuse to pay an AMERICAN A DECENT WAGE. Easy enough our current laws were being enforced properly we wouldn't be having this conversation.

BIG BUSINESS wants cheap undocumented labor. Thus GW does too because he is all about what is best for big business even if it screws every middle class american along the way. I'd like to put a boot.....well you know what I mean.

[yavoon]

stopping illegal immigration really starts from w/in, the last thing u do should be the fence. the first thing is u need to create, say an entire division of the fbi that just hunts down and fines businesses for illegal immigrants.

then create an entire court network(like small claims court) that can process illegal's quickly enough. u also need laws against illegal's getting welfare and other services.

because remember welfare in the US is vastly superior to having a job in a lot of places in mexico(and the world). ppl think illegal's come here for jobs, and thats somewhat true, but even w/o jobs they'd come. there are unemployed illegal problems across the US, but being unemployed in america beats the **** outta mexico.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I didn't say seperate them from their kids...I said send them with them. Just being born within the political borders of this country should not make anyone a Citizen anymore.

well then thats another big obstacle u'd need to hurdle. ppl feel attached to that ideology, and u'd get a ****storm of near unparalleled proportions from the bleeding heart left if u tried to get rid of that.

[Jetmeck]

BS....I'll give comprehensive immigration reform. Build a fence and put the people who hire them in jail. Guaranteed results.

[Jetmeck]

Send the kids home with parents, another BS argument.

[RocBronc]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Send the kids home with parents, another BS argument.

Why is it BS I'm not saying it is or it isn't, you can't just argue against something by saying it's BS... Please be more specific or expect people to give very little thought to your point of view.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

Send the kids home with parents, another BS argument.

u can't send the kids home u dumbass, they're american citizens. the only thing u can try and do is convince the parents to take the kids home.

[smalltowngrll]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

You build a fence, put men with guns who can protect that border. Then you raise the fines and prison terms for the individuals who seek to circumvent the law by hiring
illegal aliens because they refuse to pay an AMERICAN A DECENT WAGE. Easy enough our current laws were being enforced properly we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I"m not advocating undocumented illegals working. But, the problem goes deeper than a company not wanting to pay a decent wage. The problem also lies with our system of Unemployment and the fact that a lot of Americans feel it is their right to live off of the government and NOT work. There are many out there that know how to "work the system" and get away with not working, or working very little. They also work the "injuries" as well. Not that there aren't companies out there that don't want to pay higher wages...there are plenty of those, too.

We are talking about a culture here. "The government owes me" attitude is one that runs thick and deep in the American culture. What happened to the days where one went to work and worked hard and were paid a fair wage? It seems that somewhere along the line someone always feels cheated.

[orinjkrush]

demoncrats want cheap illegal votes
republish*ts want cheap illegal backs to break

if $$$ is the reason for coming, then $$$ will be the solution as well, not fences.

Eliminate/contrain/GOVERN the $$$ exchanges and the process will settle down.

I think you should only get OUT of the benefits systems what you put IN. In that case, come, work, pay taxes and get back out ONLY what you put in.

[Crushaholic]

Very few people in Washington have the testicular fortitude to actually tackle the immigration issue. Changing political affiliations MIGHT make you feel better, but I think you'll remember the reason(s) to vote GOP in the first place and come back...

[smalltowngrll]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

I think you should only get OUT of the benefits systems what you put IN. In that case, come, work, pay taxes and get back out ONLY what you put in.

Yup, I agree. They put into our Seocial Security and medicare system...but, most know how to get out of pay Federal and State taxes!

I do belive, however, that if we did make a sweep on illegals, we'd also have a huge decrease in Social Security and Medicare programs. Illegals with false documents pay A LOT into those programs and never take out of those programs.

[Crushaholic]

This is a good thread to include this news story...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/24/D8MRJNKO0.html

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Hundreds of illegal immigrants arrested over the past week in one of the biggest U.S. immigration stings have already been deported, but some are being held for possible criminal prosecution.
Federal authorities announced Tuesday the results of a weeklong series of raids in the Los Angeles metropolitan area that targeted illegal immigrants who had previously been deported for crimes or defied final deportation orders.

Of the 761 people arrested in a five-county region since Jan. 17, more than 450 have already been removed from the country, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

More than half of those arrested in the sweeps were already in jail and are being turned over to federal authorities as their sentences expire, an ICE official said.

At least one person, however, was hit with a criminal case instead of being placed in civil deportation proceedings.

Erik Omar Galindo-Vazquez, a Mexican national taken in during the sweeps in Orange County, was charged with illegal re-entry to the United States after felony deportation _ a federal crime than can carry up to 20 years in prison.

ICE officials said Galindo-Vazquez was deported in October 2005 after being detained in Arizona and was convicted six years earlier in Orange County for assault with a deadly weapon, a felony charge.

While federal law makes it a crime to enter the country illegally, only a fraction of the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants caught every year are ever prosecuted under criminal laws. There just aren't enough agents, prosecutors and prison space.

So authorities go after serious offenders such as Galindo-Vazquez, whose wrap sheets combine past deportations with convictions for crimes such as assault, murder and drug trafficking.

"We have to focus on the worst of the worst," said Jim Hayes, director of the Los Angeles field office of ICE, whose agents are readying about 12 other cases for criminal prosecution stemming from the sweeps. "We can't prosecute every single individual we come across."