The Official General NBA Thread ... (BroncoBuff Approved) - The Orange Mane

BroncoBuff · 01-24-2007, 03:58 AM

The good news is: a) we won, b) everybody was healthy and played well.

The bad news is: We're no better than the Sonics, not even up-tempo. And the Sonics basically svck.

Maybe we need more time to gel, but they played us bucket for bucket until Steve Blake drained two clutch 3-pointers in the last couple minutes to provide a cushion, while Seattle TO'd on 3 straight possessions. All through the second quarter, the Sonics beat us down on fast break and early offense ... and it's not like we were 'hobbled' or anything. Everybody played and played well (but no Najera). Melo and AI were both awesome, Camby was a rock, Nene's offense was there, Blake's tempo was great and JR Smith drained at least 5 treys.

We were hitting on all cyliners ... but still barely won.

I'm thinking all this title talk is "irrational exuberance." We're not in the same echelon with the Big Three ... no way.

enjolras · 01-24-2007, 04:04 AM

The Sonics beat Utah a few days ago...I hear they're ok. I think they've also beaten the lakers.

Anytime a team pulls out a win, on the road, on the second night of a back-to-back it's a quality win. I think this game actually showed that the Nuggets actually have real depth at this point. They showed that they can gut out a win by getting contributions from across their roster (Nene hit two big free throws, Blake hit those 3's, etc..). That's the sign of a really good team.

Clockwork Orange · 01-24-2007, 04:33 AM

Hitting on all cylinders? Hardly. Carmelo hasn't rediscovered his jumper yet. Camby didn't own the boards the way he has of late (Carmelo led the team in rebounding with 9). Blake shot poorly up until the last two shots he took, which were money. They were far from at the top of their game tonight.

The only reason Seattle stayed in the game was because Ray Allen caught fire late. He's such a great shooter that when he's in the zone, it really doesn't matter what you do, he's basically unstoppable.

Right now I don't care about being in the same echelon with the "big three." This team is still learning how to play together and that's going to take more than two games.

This was their 4th game in 5 nights and they won them all. I'll take it.

bombay · 01-24-2007, 06:57 AM

They sucked in up and won a road game while playing for the 4th time in 5 days. Good win.

RhymesayersDU · 01-24-2007, 09:41 AM

I will agree to the point that the Nuggets aren't in the big three. I'll agree that we need to curb our enthusiasm for this season.

But to simply say that due to one road game, on the second night of a back to back, that is just not fair.

Everybody has said what I wanted to say. But this team can and will win some games. I'm not saying a Championship by any means, but let's not start jumping off the bandwagon completely.

Dagmar · 01-24-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

We were hitting on all cyliners ... but still barely won.

I'm thinking all this title talk is "irrational exuberance." We're not in the same echelon with the Big Three ... no way.

No way is this team hitting on all cylinders yet Buff. When it does, them we'll be elite! But who knows how long it could take? This season may be too late.

ludo21 · 01-24-2007, 10:15 AM

Nuggets are capable of being very good, possbily this year.

Its all about how you finish.

Right now the Suns are dominating everyone in this win streak, but they gotta finish the season strong, should be fun.

bpc · 01-24-2007, 10:17 AM

This is a rediculous thread. How many times have the Spurs just eeked by for a win? Who cares, they WIN!

The Nuggets just played back to back games and all of these guys are brand new to each other. They don't know their strengths yet or where they are going to be on the court. It will come with time.

I'm not going to say this team will be winning the NBA championship or anything but they are going to bust their butt to win some playoff games. Unlike last season, you can't just zero in on Anthony anymore and shut us down. You now how AI and JR Smith to contend with shooting the ball.

It really hurts that we have gotten nothing out of K Mart or Nene this season too.

jutang · 01-24-2007, 10:45 AM

I think Nene is really starting to come on. He's starting to trust that knee of his. Hopefully, he'll keep losing some pounds on the diet that Melo was on too.

Kmart... now that's another story. He's like Dale Carter, Daryl Gardner all rolled into one.

spdirty · 01-24-2007, 10:48 AM

All the points I wanted to make have already been made. 4th game in 5 nights.

See what they do against Utah Friday night with a day of rest and a day of practice under their belts.

Paladin · 01-24-2007, 10:58 AM

I am not into the betting crowd, and I am not the BBNut that some are. I do enjoy watching a game of BB, and I do enjoy watching Melo in particular. I have said before that I don't give a rat's butt if there are seventy million "better" teams or "players" out there. When the Nuggs play, with the team they have, they have a chance to win any game they are in., That is the key for me. If they don't win, they don't win., But it will not be because they didn't show up and try, and there will still be some great efforts by Camby and Melo and one or two others. Nowadays, I look to watch AI, JR and Blake along with Melo and Camby, and that other big lug seems to be improving some as well. So, what the heck? I enjoy them, and I and 18,000 or so others plunk the money down to watch them at the Can. What's the problem?

I also see where the League Insurance will eat up 80% of KMart's salary for the rest of the year, some 4.5 million. I wonder if he has any play left in him for next year?

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-24-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

This was their 4th game in 5 nights and they won them all. I'll take it.

That's pretty impressive no matter who they're playing. I want to see what they look like down the stretch and into next season before trying to guess what this team really is.

Garcia Bronco · 01-24-2007, 11:14 AM

I still can't believe that in Denver Metro that these games do not run on local over the air TV. Lame

Master___Pain · 01-24-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I still can't believe that in Denver Metro that these games do not run on local over the air TV. Lame

This is not the 80s

Garcia Bronco · 01-24-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain

This is not the 80s

Well...I guess I'll never see the Nuggs play unless I go to the game.

Master___Pain · 01-24-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Well...I guess I'll never see the Nuggs play unless I go to the game.

This coming from the guy with the brand new FJ and an affinity for Oakley. I think you could manage to get Altitude.

Garcia Bronco · 01-24-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain

This coming from the guy with the brand new FJ and an affinity for Oakley. I think you could manage to get Altitude.

...that's right. I read their website last night. I would assume I have to get cable to watch?

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-24-2007, 11:56 AM

Tredici · 01-24-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Well...I guess I'll never see the Nuggs play unless I go to the game.

I don't get it. Do you just have basic free TV? If so, that's your choice but you are missing more than just Nugget games. Altitude is included in the most basic of cable packages.

Not that it would hurt to go to a game....

Hercules Rockefeller · 01-24-2007, 12:04 PM

The daily MHSM column:

There is an I in Team
by Doug Ottewill

Who said, “There’s no I in team?” They obviously haven’t seen the new-look Nuggets.

From my seats at Pepsi Center, or even from the one on my couch, I’m pretty sure I can see an I on this team. This I isn’t very big – some say he’s six-foot, but I’m not buying it – but our I plays huge. Our I, at least from my vantage point, is all about team.

Since he’s been here, in fact, there’s not only an I in this team, but there’s an A (a fellow named Melo, Anthony that is), there’s a couple of Es (a Reggie E.,an E. Najera and one who left named Earl), and an M (a fearless leader named Marcus). If only Tskitishvili had worked out, we could have easily had a T.

There’s also a B (as in Stevie B.), and last night there was even an N (he’s only got one name and there are two Ns and two Es; talk about efficient!). And don’t forget about the J and the R and the S – as in the Nuggets hired gunman, J.R. Smith (the kid can light it up). Those letters might be silent, but they’re all there. And they’re all important. When the I arrived, so did the rest of the T-E-A-M. He’s been the glue.

Allen Iverson is the one I’ve been watching. For weeks, everyone has speculated that Iverson isn’t a “team guy.” He’s a me-first guy! He can’t co-exist with another 30-point scorer. Who’s going to get the shots? Just wait until they lose! You’ll see!

That’s what the critics said. Fair enough (I guess); Iverson has had a tumultuous past, but no one has ever accused the little man of not playing hard. They have, however, assessed that Iverson is all about the stats; they claim he can’t win because he’s too into himself and his own numbers.

Spin your dial over to Altitude and try to convince me of that crap now.

Sure, the Nuggets have yet to hit a really rocky time. Actually, scratch that, they did lose seven of Iverson’s first 10 games, but never a peep was heard from the so-called malcontent. And once he got some firepower back in the lineup, he scored and so did they.

In the three games leading up to Carmelo Anthony’s return, the Answer posted nine, nine and 10 assists. He also scored 32, 25 and 36 points. J.R. Smith, in the same stretch, scored 13, 14 and 24. Last night, Smith scored 20 – you think J.R. doesn’t enjoy having Iverson as a teammate? Even Steve Blake stepped up and scored when the Nuggets needed the pass-first point guard to pick up the slack. Against Houston three games ago, when they needed him most, Steve Blake poured in 12, hitting three critical three-pointers. You don’t think Stevie B. enjoys having Iverson as a teammate slightly more than his former Milwaukee brethren?

And then there’s Melo. Since his return, Iverson has dished and dimed and made sure that Melo was the leading scorer (28 and 34). Melo didn’t even hit a jumper in his return until last night and he probably blew five or six chances to give his new floor general an assist or two more.

But the Answer didn’t care.

He didn’t care when J.R. Smith went cold in the second quarter against Memphis. He doesn’t get mad when Eddie or Reggie or Nene misses a shot in the paint and blows his assist. He gets people the ball in the right place, and that’s his job. And guess what, he’ll still get his – he’ll always get his.

You don’t score 20,000 points in the NBA if you’re confused as to how or when. Trust me, he knows exactly how to get 35 per night if it was that important to him. Iverson simply knows how to play the game. He may score five or six less points per night because there are so many weapons on his new team, but he wants to win. Against Seattle last night, there were four Nuggets who scored more than 15 points. Melo poured in 34 of his own. But the only number that mattered to Iverson was 21 – that’s how many wins the Nuggets have to date.

I haven’t seen Iverson act anything other than happy and grateful. He wants to be a part o this team. He wants to play on a winner. His past, at least for now, is exactly that – the past.

Ray Allen scorched the Nuggets for 44 points last night, but in a losing effort. He was virtually unstoppable, exhibiting incredible touch from anywhere on the floor, but he didn’t have what the Nuggets have.

Ray Allen doesn’t have an I on his team – not the one we’ve got.

Garcia Bronco · 01-24-2007, 12:04 PM

Well here's the deal....it's two fold. I hate paying a cable company period, and the place I am living in is for a short time...6 months...so I don't want to go through the hassle of getting it hooked up. I will never ever do business with Comcast ever again. So yes...I just have basic free TV in HD and it's awesome. I just not the guy that needs 100 channels of BS. I am also trying to spend less time in front of the TV to begin with. Maybe if they offer channels al carte I'll pay for TV again, but until then...

Master___Pain · 01-24-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Well here's the deal....it's two fold. I hate paying a cable company period, and the place I am living in is for a short time...6 months...so I don't want to go through the hassle of getting it hooked up. I will never ever do business with Comcast ever again. So yes...I just have basic free TV in HD and it's awesome. I just not the guy that needs 100 channels of BS. I am also trying to spend less time in front of the TV to begin with. Maybe if they offer channels al carte I'll pay for TV again, but until then...

Well, I guess your options are
a. find a friend that has altitude and crash their place.
b. Go to the game
c. go to a bar

BTW, Garcia, where exactly did you land? Are you house shopping right now?

I understand you reluctance to get any type of cable/dish (if you can even have a dish at your rental) at least the dish companies will move you for free though.

Garcia Bronco · 01-24-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Well, I guess your options are
a. find a friend that has altitude and crash their place.
b. Go to the game
c. go to a bar

BTW, Garcia, where exactly did you land? Are you house shopping right now?

I understand you reluctance to get any type of cable/dish (if you can even have a dish at your rental) at least the dish companies will move you for free though.

I am in Capitial Hill right now...I am looking into home ownership by sometime this summer. The question is still where though. I would like to stay in the City I think....but can I afford what I want on my own? Everything I look at is about 300k...which would come out to about 2200 a month..plus all the other ****....taxes and such...It might be a little out of my reach.....by a mile.

Master___Pain · 01-24-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I am in Capitial Hill right now...I am looking into home ownership by sometime this summer. The question is still where though. I would like to stay in the City I think....but can I afford what I want on my own? Everything I look at is about 300k...which would come out to about 2200 a month..plus all the other ****....taxes and such...It might be a little out of my reach.....by a mile.

Good luck with that. Are you including Condos and Townhomes in that search?

If you need Realtor help let me know. I know a good one.

bronco_diesel · 01-24-2007, 12:58 PM

i haven't read all the responses on this game, so forgive me if this point has been made.

regarding the original post in the team is not much better than the sonics-

well, last night they did not play the greatest and their defense is still very suspect. but we also need to consider a few other aspects.

this was the 4th game in 5 days. two of games being on the road - and i believe the houston travel was in the early AM hours (2-3 AM)

this team was tired, and should have been tired. to finish this stretch with a road win is a good win - and builds character. the denver teams of the past would have lost this one.

there are still questions remaining on their defense, and those questions are legit. if the team can continue to win games like this and along the way, work out their defense, they will be in good shape.

they lost two players, and got two new ones. melo was out for 15, JR out for 10 and the nene factor. with all the transition in the roster, it is going to take a bit of time to build that defensive chemistry. they are not going to be the dallas mav's defensively - but they don't have to be.

i find a lot more positives out of this win than i do negatives.

01-24-2007, 03:58 AM	#1
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,437 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	The Official General NBA Thread ... (BroncoBuff Approved) The good news is: a) we won, b) everybody was healthy and played well. The *bad news* is: We're no better than the Sonics, not even up-tempo. And the Sonics basically svck. Maybe we need more time to gel, but they played us bucket for bucket until Steve Blake drained two clutch 3-pointers in the last couple minutes to provide a cushion, while Seattle TO'd on 3 straight possessions. All through the second quarter, the Sonics beat us down on fast break and early offense ... and it's not like we were 'hobbled' or anything. Everybody played and played well (but no Najera). Melo and AI were both awesome, Camby was a rock, Nene's offense was there, Blake's tempo was great and JR Smith drained at least 5 treys. We were hitting on all cyliners ... but still barely won. I'm thinking all this title talk is "irrational exuberance." We're not in the same echelon with the Big Three ... no way. Last edited by SoCalBronco; 03-25-2007 at 10:34 PM..

01-24-2007, 11:56 AM	#18
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01-24-2007, 04:04 AM	#2
enjolras Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,941	The Sonics beat Utah a few days ago...I hear they're ok. I think they've also beaten the lakers. Anytime a team pulls out a win, on the road, on the second night of a back-to-back it's a quality win. I think this game actually showed that the Nuggets actually have real depth at this point. They showed that they can gut out a win by getting contributions from across their roster (Nene hit two big free throws, Blake hit those 3's, etc..). That's the sign of a really good team.

01-24-2007, 04:33 AM	#3
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Hitting on all cylinders? Hardly. Carmelo hasn't rediscovered his jumper yet. Camby didn't own the boards the way he has of late (Carmelo led the team in rebounding with 9). Blake shot poorly up until the last two shots he took, which were money. They were far from at the top of their game tonight. The only reason Seattle stayed in the game was because Ray Allen caught fire late. He's such a great shooter that when he's in the zone, it really doesn't matter what you do, he's basically unstoppable. Right now I don't care about being in the same echelon with the "big three." This team is still learning how to play together and that's going to take more than two games. This was their 4th game in 5 nights and they won them all. I'll take it.

01-24-2007, 06:57 AM	#4
bombay Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: denver Posts: 4,331	They sucked in up and won a road game while playing for the 4th time in 5 days. Good win.

01-24-2007, 09:41 AM	#5
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,813 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	I will agree to the point that the Nuggets aren't in the big three. I'll agree that we need to curb our enthusiasm for this season. But to simply say that due to one road game, on the second night of a back to back, that is just not fair. Everybody has said what I wanted to say. But this team can and will win some games. I'm not saying a Championship by any means, but let's not start jumping off the bandwagon completely.

01-24-2007, 10:15 AM	#7
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,915 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Nuggets are capable of being very good, possbily this year. Its all about how you finish. Right now the Suns are dominating everyone in this win streak, but they gotta finish the season strong, should be fun.

01-24-2007, 10:17 AM	#8
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	This is a rediculous thread. How many times have the Spurs just eeked by for a win? Who cares, they WIN! The Nuggets just played back to back games and all of these guys are brand new to each other. They don't know their strengths yet or where they are going to be on the court. It will come with time. I'm not going to say this team will be winning the NBA championship or anything but they are going to bust their butt to win some playoff games. Unlike last season, you can't just zero in on Anthony anymore and shut us down. You now how AI and JR Smith to contend with shooting the ball. It really hurts that we have gotten nothing out of K Mart or Nene this season too.

01-24-2007, 10:45 AM	#9
jutang Pro Bowler Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 648	I think Nene is really starting to come on. He's starting to trust that knee of his. Hopefully, he'll keep losing some pounds on the diet that Melo was on too. Kmart... now that's another story. He's like Dale Carter, Daryl Gardner all rolled into one.

01-24-2007, 10:48 AM	#10
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,903 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	All the points I wanted to make have already been made. 4th game in 5 nights. See what they do against Utah Friday night with a day of rest and a day of practice under their belts.

01-24-2007, 10:58 AM	#11
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	I am not into the betting crowd, and I am not the BBNut that some are. I do enjoy watching a game of BB, and I do enjoy watching Melo in particular. I have said before that I don't give a rat's butt if there are seventy million "better" teams or "players" out there. When the Nuggs play, with the team they have, they have a chance to win any game they are in., That is the key for me. If they don't win, they don't win., But it will not be because they didn't show up and try, and there will still be some great efforts by Camby and Melo and one or two others. Nowadays, I look to watch AI, JR and Blake along with Melo and Camby, and that other big lug seems to be improving some as well. So, what the heck? I enjoy them, and I and 18,000 or so others plunk the money down to watch them at the Can. What's the problem? I also see where the League Insurance will eat up 80% of KMart's salary for the rest of the year, some 4.5 million. I wonder if he has any play left in him for next year?

01-24-2007, 11:14 AM	#13
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I still can't believe that in Denver Metro that these games do not run on local over the air TV. Lame

01-24-2007, 12:04 PM	#20
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	The daily MHSM column: There is an I in Team by Doug Ottewill Who said, “There’s no I in team?” They obviously haven’t seen the new-look Nuggets. From my seats at Pepsi Center, or even from the one on my couch, I’m pretty sure I can see an I on this team. This I isn’t very big – some say he’s six-foot, but I’m not buying it – but our I plays huge. Our I, at least from my vantage point, is all about team. Since he’s been here, in fact, there’s not only an I in this team, but there’s an A (a fellow named Melo, Anthony that is), there’s a couple of Es (a Reggie E.,an E. Najera and one who left named Earl), and an M (a fearless leader named Marcus). If only Tskitishvili had worked out, we could have easily had a T. There’s also a B (as in Stevie B.), and last night there was even an N (he’s only got one name and there are two Ns and two Es; talk about efficient!). And don’t forget about the J and the R and the S – as in the Nuggets hired gunman, J.R. Smith (the kid can light it up). Those letters might be silent, but they’re all there. And they’re all important. When the I arrived, so did the rest of the T-E-A-M. He’s been the glue. Allen Iverson is the one I’ve been watching. For weeks, everyone has speculated that Iverson isn’t a “team guy.” He’s a me-first guy! He can’t co-exist with another 30-point scorer. Who’s going to get the shots? Just wait until they lose! You’ll see! That’s what the critics said. Fair enough (I guess); Iverson has had a tumultuous past, but no one has ever accused the little man of not playing hard. They have, however, assessed that Iverson is all about the stats; they claim he can’t win because he’s too into himself and his own numbers. Spin your dial over to Altitude and try to convince me of that crap now. Sure, the Nuggets have yet to hit a really rocky time. Actually, scratch that, they did lose seven of Iverson’s first 10 games, but never a peep was heard from the so-called malcontent. And once he got some firepower back in the lineup, he scored and so did they. In the three games leading up to Carmelo Anthony’s return, the Answer posted nine, nine and 10 assists. He also scored 32, 25 and 36 points. J.R. Smith, in the same stretch, scored 13, 14 and 24. Last night, Smith scored 20 – you think J.R. doesn’t enjoy having Iverson as a teammate? Even Steve Blake stepped up and scored when the Nuggets needed the pass-first point guard to pick up the slack. Against Houston three games ago, when they needed him most, Steve Blake poured in 12, hitting three critical three-pointers. You don’t think Stevie B. enjoys having Iverson as a teammate slightly more than his former Milwaukee brethren? And then there’s Melo. Since his return, Iverson has dished and dimed and made sure that Melo was the leading scorer (28 and 34). Melo didn’t even hit a jumper in his return until last night and he probably blew five or six chances to give his new floor general an assist or two more. But the Answer didn’t care. He didn’t care when J.R. Smith went cold in the second quarter against Memphis. He doesn’t get mad when Eddie or Reggie or Nene misses a shot in the paint and blows his assist. He gets people the ball in the right place, and that’s his job. And guess what, he’ll still get his – he’ll always get his. You don’t score 20,000 points in the NBA if you’re confused as to how or when. Trust me, he knows exactly how to get 35 per night if it was that important to him. Iverson simply knows how to play the game. He may score five or six less points per night because there are so many weapons on his new team, but he wants to win. Against Seattle last night, there were four Nuggets who scored more than 15 points. Melo poured in 34 of his own. But the only number that mattered to Iverson was 21 – that’s how many wins the Nuggets have to date. I haven’t seen Iverson act anything other than happy and grateful. He wants to be a part o this team. He wants to play on a winner. His past, at least for now, is exactly that – the past. Ray Allen scorched the Nuggets for 44 points last night, but in a losing effort. He was virtually unstoppable, exhibiting incredible touch from anywhere on the floor, but he didn’t have what the Nuggets have. Ray Allen doesn’t have an I on his team – not the one we’ve got.

01-24-2007, 12:58 PM	#25
bronco_diesel giddy-up Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: denver Posts: 1,248	i haven't read all the responses on this game, so forgive me if this point has been made. regarding the original post in the team is not much better than the sonics- well, last night they did not play the greatest and their defense is still very suspect. but we also need to consider a few other aspects. this was the 4th game in 5 days. two of games being on the road - and i believe the houston travel was in the early AM hours (2-3 AM) this team was tired, and should have been tired. to finish this stretch with a road win is a good win - and builds character. the denver teams of the past would have lost this one. there are still questions remaining on their defense, and those questions are legit. if the team can continue to win games like this and along the way, work out their defense, they will be in good shape. they lost two players, and got two new ones. melo was out for 15, JR out for 10 and the nene factor. with all the transition in the roster, it is going to take a bit of time to build that defensive chemistry. they are not going to be the dallas mav's defensively - but they don't have to be. i find a lot more positives out of this win than i do negatives.