Draft Day Trades? Feasible?

[p7superfly]

Does anyone think we could package Plummer to get some picks or move up?

What are we #21?

Does anyone think, if we can't draft Peterson or another good prospect that we could trade for Deuce McAllister? It worked out well for us with Javon last year ... what would it take?

[ND Bronco Fan]

Doubt he has any value, he would have to agree to a restructure before anyone would take on his salary and everyone knows that we aren't going to keep him on with his current cap number so they know we are going to have to cut him.

[BroncoBuff]

I'm thinking Plummer's trade value is nil. Remember how poorly he played this year .... and last year is (rightly) viewed as an abberation created by the Master Shanahan forcing Plummer's 'square' style into his 'round' hole. The first half of this season proved it didn't stick.

I refuse to believe the Texans' interest in Plummer is for the starting job ... Sage Rosenfels is better than Jake.

[Barry Ramey]

So a team is going to trade down in the 1st round of the draft to get a QB that got replaced by a rookie when at the time the team was in a playoff race? You really believe a team would do that? I'll be shocked if the Broncos are able to trade Plummer at all for anything and not end up just releasing him, much less able to peddle him to move up in the 1st round of the draft.

[Broncojef]

I think salary cap wise Denver would be hesitant to not just make Jake a 1 June cap casulty. It would have to be great deal for them to throw what $6Mill away? If Jake's salary wasn't involved in this equation I think plenty of teams would want Jake and a trade would be possible, heck I'd like to see him as our back-up QB. I do not think its realistic. I hope the Broncos don't take a $6 Mill cap hit or whatever it is to move up ten spaces in the draft, that would be silly. I'd be more impressed seeing Tatum moved to try to move up to take a Peterson, Lych or simply stay put and try to grab Michael Bush.

[p7superfly]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

So a team is going to trade down in the 1st round of the draft to get a QB that got replaced by a rookie when at the time the team was in a playoff race? You really believe a team would do that? I'll be shocked if the Broncos are able to trade Plummer at all for anything and not end up just releasing him, much less able to peddle him to move up in the 1st round of the draft.

Not take Jake to move up... although Houston is talking about trading down.

I wonder if Tatum Bell would interest them?

And, does anyone see the Saints trading Deuce to make room for Bush? Deuce would tear it up with us.

[jmz313]

Deuce isn't being traded outta NO. Sean Peyton will be a 2nd year coach and is going to want to keep as much of his stellar Offense as possible. Deuce also seems pretty happy as a Saint.

I don't think we trade any player this offseason. Outside of move a brownco or two to where ever Paterson ends up, we don't have much trade bait outside of Draft picks.

[p7superfly]

The cap increases dramatically next year. We could take a one year hit in trading Jake if it were worth the compensation.

I doubt it happens either. But apparently the Texans are interested in moving down. If we could do something to jump to their pick, we'd have a choice of many talented DL, RB's or WR's.

And I want Crosby. Elam is going down hill.

[Popps]

Jake will be granted his release and I'd be shocked if he weren't down with Kubiak within minutes. He'll go into next season battling Carr for a starting gig, and given his mobility and their crappy line, it wouldn't surprise me to see him win the job.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by p7superfly

Not take Jake to move up... although Houston is talking about trading down.

I wonder if Tatum Bell would interest them?

And, does anyone see the Saints trading Deuce to make room for Bush? Deuce would tear it up with us.

I truthfully can't see Tatum garnering much attention from around the league. I mean unless there is another team in the league that wants a RB that is only good for about 8 carries a game, has a problem with fumbles, gets killed at the line, has no goal line presence, is too tentative behind the line of scrimmage, and has a history of injury. I just don't see too many teams willing to throw a 3rd round pick away for Tater, i think the best Denver could hope for with him is maybe a late 4th or more likely a 5th round pick.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I love this board, last year the "consensus" was that a guy who led the league 2 straight years in ypc and had a 1,000 yd season under his belt had virtually no trade value. Now this year, we'll see the same comments about Tatum, and once again, if/when he's traded, the return will be for a lot more than people think.

[doof]

I'm hoping we manage to pull off a Deltha-type deal using Tatum, where we package our first, a third and Tatum to move up a few slots in the 1st round. He would net us around 3rd or 4th round value this way.

[Traveler]

Thought I read somewhere here that teams can cut a veteran during the offseason, but be allowed to count it as a June 1 cut. If true, wouldn't that be a move the team could make concerning Jake?

Why would teams trade for Jake when they know we'll eventully have to cut him? As said above, he has no trade value. Plus, the cap hit we'd take if we did trade him would be huge.

[p7superfly]

Originally Posted by doof

I'm hoping we manage to pull off a Deltha-type deal using Tatum, where we package our first, a third and Tatum to move up a few slots in the 1st round. He would net us around 3rd or 4th round value this way.

I like this idea.

How far up could we jump?

Does anyone have a link to those point sheets?

What would our first, a fourth, and Tatum get us? Top 15?

[want2bAbronco2]

I think Jake may get traded (if a lot of teams want him, might get something but he will have to restructure contract). Also I think we will trade Nate Jackson, Foster, and Tatum.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by Traveler

Thought I read somewhere here that teams can cut a veteran during the offseason, but be allowed to count it as a June 1 cut. If true, wouldn't that be a move the team could make concerning Jake?

Why would teams trade for Jake when they know we'll eventully have to cut him? As said above, he has no trade value. Plus, the cap hit we'd take if we did trade him would be huge.

That's correct you can designate a player a post June 1 cut and spread out the hit over two years and still cut him way before June anytime.

But you can only do that for one player per offseason I believe.

Plummer will NOT be traded. He would cost too much against the cap this year given that we need a backup QB, and we're bound to make a few moves in FA. The value we would get from trading Plummer would in no way be enough to take all of his cap hit this year as opposed to cutting his worthless azz so we have no cap hit when it comes to Plummer in 07 because it would be offset by his cap value for 2007 if he were on the roster.

[socalorado]

Nont only did plummer piss me off during the season, but he still manages to piss me off after.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

I love this board, last year the "consensus" was that a guy who led the league 2 straight years in ypc and had a 1,000 yd season under his belt had virtually no trade value. Now this year, we'll see the same comments about Tatum, and once again, if/when he's traded, the return will be for a lot more than people think.

Well, let's face it, we got lucky last season that Portis hurt his shoulder and the morons in Washington paniced, otherwise we likely would not have gotten a 3rd (and '08 4th). And the picks were really more a reflection of what Washington felt Duckett was worth, not what the Falcons thought Lelie was worth.

What kind of value do you think Bell has? 1050 yards or whatever he had is pretty pedestrian for a starter in this system, he gets nicked up fequently, he had some awful game changing fumbles at the end of the season, so I can't see a team giving up a first day pick. I suppose some team might fall in love with his speed, but my guess is a 4th would be about the most we could hope for. If someone offered a 3rd I'd take before they had a chance to think it over.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Well, let's face it, we got lucky last season that Portis hurt his shoulder and the morons in Washington paniced, otherwise we likely would not have gotten a 3rd (and '08 4th). And the picks were really more a reflection of what Washington felt Duckett was worth, not what the Falcons thought Lelie was worth.

What kind of value do you think Bell has? 1050 yards or whatever he had is pretty pedestrian for a starter in this system, he gets nicked up fequently, he had some awful game changing fumbles at the end of the season, so I can't see a team giving up a first day pick. I suppose some team might fall in love with his speed, but my guess is a 4th would be about the most we could hope for. If someone offered a 3rd I'd take before they had a chance to think it over.

There are always going to be morons in panic mode. This is the NFL.

Herc is on the money here. People are talking about Tatum like he's utterly worthless and I think that's pretty silly. Its true he lost some confidence late in the year, but he came up big for us in some games, too. Baltimore is a good example. Don't forget there was turmoil on the offensive line and switch at quarterback. None of that helped Tatum this year.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

There are always going to be morons in panic mode. This is the NFL.

Herc is on the money here. People are talking about Tatum like he's utterly worthless and I think that's pretty silly. Its true he lost some confidence late in the year, but he came up big for us in some games, too. Baltimore is a good example. Don't forget there was turmoil on the offensive line and switch at quarterback. None of that helped Tatum this year.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but could you really envision a team giving up a high pick for Tatum. I think some team might be intrigued by his speed as a complimentary back, but you don't give up first day picks for that. If you were a GM, would you give a 3rd for Tatum? I wouldn't.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Well, let's face it, we got lucky last season that Portis hurt his shoulder and the morons in Washington paniced, otherwise we likely would not have gotten a 3rd (and '08 4th). And the picks were really more a reflection of what Washington felt Duckett was worth, not what the Falcons thought Lelie was worth.

What kind of value do you think Bell has? 1050 yards or whatever he had is pretty pedestrian for a starter in this system, he gets nicked up fequently, he had some awful game changing fumbles at the end of the season, so I can't see a team giving up a first day pick. I suppose some team might fall in love with his speed, but my guess is a 4th would be about the most we could hope for. If someone offered a 3rd I'd take before they had a chance to think it over.

Lelie=Duckett in value, that's how the Falcons viewed him, and that's who traded for him. Since Duckett brought "x" in return from Washington, Lelie=that return. You can make all the excuses you want, "Skins are morons" or "they panicked", but the fact remains that Denver got a high 3rd and a future 4th for a guy that people on this site were claiming wasn't even worth a 5th round pick or should just flat out be cut.

A 4th is the most someone might give up for him? Whatever, the guy has actually produced in the NFL. He had 1,000 yards even after missing 3 games this season and up until the Lepsis injury was near the top of the NFL in rushing yards. Denver will get a Day 1 pick for him if they try to move him.

[broncosteven]

This is what I would like to see

Plummer be cut after June 1 to spread out the hit.

Tatum traded either for package to move up, another young player of need, or extra pick.

Shany has a nice bag of picks this year. This Draft should be as fun as last years if they stay away from the injured guys. The only guy that hurt them last year was the Hixon pick everyone else was productive or will be (ie Kuiper).

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Lelie=Duckett in value, that's how the Falcons viewed him, and that's who traded for him. Since Duckett brought "x" in return from Washington, Lelie=that return. You can make all the excuses you want, "Skins are morons" or "they panicked", but the fact remains that Denver got a high 3rd and a future 4th for a guy that people on this site were claiming wasn't even worth a 5th round pick or should just flat out be cut.

No, the Falcons thought he was worth Duckett, otherwise they would have just shipped us a 3rd themselves. We would not have gotten a 3rd from anyone had Portis not hurt his shoulder, but I'm certainly glad it turned out the way it did.

A 4th is the most someone might give up for him? Whatever, the guy has actually produced in the NFL. He had 1,000 yards even after missing 3 games this season and up until the Lepsis injury was near the top of the NFL in rushing yards. Denver will get a Day 1 pick for him if they try to move him.

Well, I hope you're right. I don't buy it. He gets nicked up and hasn't proven to be a guy who can carry the load for a full season. He's not particularly good in the passing game. And those catostrohpic fumbles in crunch time likely won't look terribly attractive. Aside from all that, teams know that our system can make average backs look better than they are, so I imagine there would be skepticism on that end. But who knows. He's got speed, and a lot of coaches fall in love with that homerun ability.

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by p7superfly

Not take Jake to move up... although Houston is talking about trading down.

I wonder if Tatum Bell would interest them?

And, does anyone see the Saints trading Deuce to make room for Bush? Deuce would tear it up with us.

Wish it would happen, but not likely.

A side note: If we do trade Tatum this offseason, that would make it 3 or 4 years in a row that our 1000 yd rusher was dealt. Sooner or later, that's going to bite us in the a$$.

[chaz]

Originally Posted by Popps

Jake will be granted his release and I'd be shocked if he weren't down with Kubiak within minutes. He'll go into next season battling Carr for a starting gig, and given his mobility and their crappy line, it wouldn't surprise me to see him win the job.

this is exactly how i see it happening as well... HOWEVER...to all the people out there that say jake plummer has no trade value, wrong. Everyone in the league with half a brain could tell you this is how its going to go, unless some team trades for him, disallowing any possibility for him to head to houston. It probably would only be a day two pick, anything else would be gravy, but i think it is very probable for someone to throw a late round pick our way to wrap up a starting vet qb