Patterson Fired

[alpine]

(Did search for any mention of this but only found wishes in the Coyer thread...)

DP reporting that Patterson was also released:

Four years later, the danger zone caught up to Coyer, who was fired in the first major move by the Broncos after their late-season collapse. In addition to Coyer, the team also let go of defensive line/tackles coach Andre Patterson.

Denver Post story

[fontaine]

From the same article:

Potential candidates coach Mike Shanahan might consider to replace Coyer are former Miami interim coach Jim Bates, former Atlanta coach Jim Mora and Denver secondary coach Bob Slowik.

What the hell is wrong with this picture?

We hired Patterson who failed in Cleveland with an awful defense. So why even consider coach Slow who's failed miserably as D-Coach in Chicago, Cleveland AND Green Bay and was fired from those places.

What possible credentials does Slowik have as leading a strong Defense that merits him being considering as D-Coordinator? He's created, molded and led the same number of great defenses as I have. ZERO.

Has Shanahan learned nothing? Look at guys like Dick Lebeau, Wade Philips, and that guy from Buffalo who were head coaches, then fired and are totally kicking a$$ as D-Coordinators now. I hope we are considering Slowik only as a token gesture since he was probably hired as the D-Backs coach with the unwritten understanding that he would get a "shot" at Coordinator if it came up.

The ONLY reason Slow would even get the job is because he's a yes man who will shut up and run the type of defense Shanahan wants with the assitants Shanahan picks. That LAST thing we need. Can't we just hire someone, anyone, who can draft defense WORTH A DAMN?

[OrangeShadow]

if its slowik i think i will seriously vomit.

[fontaine]

Jim Bates huh? Anyone else know anything:

http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/bates_jim/
NFL Exp: 15th Season
Packers Exp: 1st Season

A veteran of 14 NFL seasons and 37 campaigns overall in the coaching profession, Jim Bates in 2005 begins his first year in Green Bay as the club's defensive coordinator.

Named to the position Jan. 31, 2005, by Head Coach Mike Sherman, the 59-year-old Bates brings to the Packers a fiery intensity and proven record of coordinator success.

As defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins the past five seasons (2000-04), Bates' units ranked fifth in the NFL. Only the Buccaneers (281.4 yards/game), Steelers (282.5), Ravens (286.4) and Bills (293.1) played better defensively than Miami (294.8) through the course of those five campaigns. His defense ranked in the top 10 after each season, including 2004, when it ranked eighth despite losing four starters to injured reserve; the team ranked sixth in 2000, fifth in 2001, third in 2002 and 10th in 2003. Against the pass, the Dolphins entered the final week of the '04 season leading the league, but wound up second (162.0 yards/game). Miami's passing defense did pace the NFL in 2001, and ranked fifth in 2000, eighth in 2002 and 19th in 2003. Against the run, his squad did not allow a 100-yard rusher over a 20-game stretch that included the last four games of 2002 and the entire '03 campaign.

On an individual level, Bates' units produced 18 Pro Bowl selections (eight players) in five seasons.

Bates' tenure in Miami included a 3-4 record over the final seven games of the 2004 season as the club's interim head coach, including a 29-28 win over eventual Super Bowl Champion New England, Dec. 20.

Prior to his time in Miami, Bates served as the Dallas Cowboys' linebackers coach (1996-97) and assistant head coach/defensive line (1998-99). His first foray into the NFL was on Bill Belichick's staff as linebackers coach of the Cleveland Browns (1991). After coaching the Browns' defensive ends for two seasons (1992-93), he served one year as Atlanta's defensive coordinator (1994), before returning to Cleveland as secondary coach (1995).

One of 13 individuals to serve as a head coach in both the NFL and United States Football League, Bates spent one year (1985) at the helm of the San Antonio Gunslingers. In total, he spent three years in the USFL, including two seasons as a defensive coordinator (Arizona Outlaws 1986, San Antonio 1984).

Additionally, Bates coached another year at the pro level, as an assistant in 1988 for the Detroit Drive of the Arena League.

Bates' resume includes 15 years of coaching experience at the college level. A linebacker at the University of Tennessee (1964-67), he entered the coaching profession with his alma mater (B.S. degree in education 1968) as a graduate assistant in 1968, then made stops at Southern Mississippi (freshman coach 1972), Villanova (offensive line 1973, linebackers 1974), Kansas State (linebackers 1975-76), West Virginia (secondary 1977), Texas Tech (secondary 1978-79, defensive coordinator 1980-83), Tennessee (linebackers 1989) and Florida (defensive coordinator/secondary 1990) before coming to the NFL. From 1969-71, he served as head coach at Sevier County (Tenn.) High School.

Born May 31, 1946, in Pontiac, Mich., Bates and his wife, Beverly, reside in Oneida, Wis. The couple has two sons: James, who was a linebacker and defensive captain on Florida's 1996 national championship team and now produces a variety of sports-related television programming in Florida, and Jeremy, a former player at Rice who currently serves as quarterbacks coach for the New York Jets. In his spare time, Bates enjoys exercising, hunting and fishing.

BATES AT A GLANCE
Joined Packers on Jan. 31, 2005.
In his five seasons as defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins (2000-04), his units cumulatively ranked fifth in the NFL, never in one season ranking lower than 10th.
His 2004 unit ranked second in the NFL against the pass.
Against the run, his squad did not allow a 100-yard rusher over a 20-game stretch that included the last four games of 2002 and the entire '03 campaign.
His Miami defensive units produced 18 Pro Bowl selections (eight players) in five seasons.
Played linebacker at the University of Tennessee.
COACHING BACKGROUND:

Year College/Pro Team Position Coached
1968 Univ. of Tennessee Graduate Assistant
1972 Southern Mississippi Freshman Coach
1973 Villanova Offensive Line
1974 Villanova Linebackers
1975-76 Kansas State Linebackers
1977 West Virginia Secondary
1978-79 Texas Tech Secondary
1980-83 Texas Tech Defensive Coordinator
/Secondary
1984 San Antonio Gunslingers (USFL) Defensive Coordinator
1985 San Antonio Gunslingers (USFL) Head Coach
1986 Arizona Outlaws (USFL) Defensive Coordinator
1988 Detroit Drive (Arena) Assistant Coach
1989 Univ. of Tennessee Linebackers
1990 Univ. of Florida Defensive Coordinator
/Secondary
1991 Cleveland Browns Linebackers
1992-93 Cleveland Browns Defensive Ends
1994 Atlanta Falcons Defensive Coordinator
1995 Cleveland Browns Secondary
1996-97 Dallas Cowboys Linebackers
1998-99 Dallas Cowboys Asst. Head Coach
/Defensive Line
2000-04 Miami Dolphins Defensive Coordinator
2004 Miami Dolphins Defensive Coordinator/
Interim Head Coach (7 gm)
2005 Green Bay Packers Defensive Coordinator

[fontaine]

I found this a very good read:


http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB...c.php?p=897154

There's a lot in there so I won't post it all but here's a few ideas:

>>Bates' scheme in miami:

Please elaborate and correct this, which is my understanding of the Jim Bates defensive scheme. (I searched google and had no luck and thought you fins fans would have some insight)

DE: Smaller more athletic pass rushers
DT: Two-gap tackles

OLB: Quick, good in coverage
MLB: Fast, sure tackler

CB: Bigger and taller corners, physical

SS/FS: Safties are both blends of FS and SS

I also know it is more man-to-man and the linebackers do some more coverage than in other schemes.

Input appreciated!

OLB's typically funnel everything inside to the MLB to clean up. We never had an OLB post anything more than very pedestrian stats under Bates. The most important characteristic of CB's was not physical dimensions but ABILITY TO COVER MAN TO MAN. That is what makes a successful Bates D. Safeties should be intelligent. DT's eat blockers not make tackles, DE's need very quick first step, size immaterial. Thats pretty much it.

>>Makes sense for Paymah

[Traveler]

Originally Posted by alpine

(Did search for any mention of this but only found wishes in the Coyer thread...)

DP reporting that Patterson was also released:



Denver Post story

I never wish unemployment on anyone. Just questioning why Coyer and Patterson got released but not Jacob Burney? Our DE's don't seem to get any better under his tutledge. Any insight on this, anyone?

[Drek]

Firing Patterson makes me feel better about the direction this is going (i.e. away from Slowik as DC). We've cleaned house and have the chance to bring in a front seven maven with his own guy, just let him know that our DBs guy has been working very well for us so he's sticking around.

Is Mike Waufle out of a job with Coughlin? If so he'd make a great DL coach, maybe even a good DC. I'd be willing to give Palini out of LSU a shot as well, he's kept their D at a peak level his entire time there.

[Ratboy]

Cleaning house!

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Jim Bates huh? Anyone else know anything:

I know Dolphins players lobbied hard for him to keep the job after the 2004 season as interim coach. They went for Midnight Nick Saban instead.

The 2005 Packer defense improved under his tutelage, without much in the way of talent. Bates took them from 23rd to 20th in points allowed and from 25th to 7th in yardage allowed.

Keep in mind, Favre was screwing that defense all year in 2005, with a League leading 29 interceptions, so Bates' Boys had their backs against the wall frequently, and they responded as well as could be expected.

I would have no problem at all with bringing him in as DC.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

I know Dolphins players lobbied hard for him to keep the job after the 2004 season as interim coach. They went for Midnight Nick Saban instead.

The 2005 Packer defense improved under his tutelage, without much in the way of talent. Bates took them from 23rd to 20th in points allowed and from 25th to 7th in yardage allowed.

Keep in mind, Favre was screwing that defense all year in 2005, with a League leading 29 interceptions, so Bates' Boys had their backs against the wall frequently, and they responded as well as could be expected.

I would have no problem at all with bringing him in as DC.

thanks for the info.

I like what I've read about him so far.

He was out of football last year I believe but by choice not circumstance.

The Jill's immediately offered him the DC job after Miami got Saban but Bill declined, perhaps hoping for a HC job. He said in the offseason that he misses football and would look to get back in it the following year.

I would prefer him to Slowik/Mora as DC, but ultimately I hope the FO can do a better job in getting DL help to whoever catches this hot potato.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Keep in mind, Favre was screwing that defense all year in 2005, with a League leading 29 interceptions, so Bates' Boys had their backs against the wall frequently, and they responded as well as could be expected.

Has Lord Favre set the new career interceptions record yet? You gotta think he's getting right up there.

I personally thought his career was done years ago when he had the first of his 4 int playoff games against St. Louis back when Warner was still starting.

[Man-Goblin]

Bates is one of the top rated DCs in Madden, too.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Has Lord Favre set the new career interceptions record yet? You gotta think he's getting right up there.

I personally thought his career was done years ago when he had the first of his 4 int playoff games against St. Louis back when Warner was still starting.

Brett bounced back with a good season this year.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Brett bounced back with a good season this year.

That's what I keep hearing, but this doesn't look that swell to me:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 343 613 3885 56.0 6.34 82 18 18 21 72.7

[footstepsfrom#27]

Patterson coaxed one good year out of the Browncos, a feat in itself. I wonder if we part ways with his former players now...Brown is good as gone I'm thinking...maybe Warren as well. Will it make a difference anyway? I doubt it. We'll plug in another group of free agents and castoffs hoping to see a different result trying the same thing.

That's the definition of insanity right?

[Odysseus]

I like Bates but I would be very surprised if the Broncos landed him.

I think Mora would be great but that is based on personal information rather than his performance.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bates seems the best of those mentioned in the press, but my I would bet Shanahan has his eye on someone still in the playoffs.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Bates seems the best of those mentioned in the press, but my I would bet Shanahan has his eye on someone still in the playoffs.

Unless it's a position coach, I doubt it. You rarely see established DCs from a playoff squad make a lateral move. It's happens occasionally (I guess Zimmer with Dallas going to Atlanta, but I think he was skating on thin ice after his defense fell apart at the end of the season), but I don't see guys like Ryan in Baltimore making that kind of move. What purpose would it serve them?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Unless it's a position coach, I doubt it. You rarely see established DCs from a playoff squad make a lateral move. It's happens occasionally (I guess Zimmer with Dallas going to Atlanta, but I think he was skating on thin ice after his defense fell apart at the end of the season), but I don't see guys like Ryan in Baltimore making that kind of move. What purpose would it serve them?

Agree - I was thinking an up and coming position coach

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Big Guy

Agree - I was thinking an up and coming position coach

I wouldn't be against that, but I think Shanny will try to go with a proven guy like Bates or Mora Jr before he explores position coaches. We'll see.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

That's what I keep hearing, but this doesn't look that swell to me:

SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2006 343 613 3885 56.0 6.34 82 18 18 21 72.7

Middle of the pack for NFL quarterbacks. He slumped when they took some injuries at WR and Driver was left all alone again. Early in the year, Greg Jennings was looking like a ROY candidate, then he got hurt and when he returned, he started playing like a raw rookie. I saw one game where two Favre picks were directly attributable to Jennings' screwups.

[yavoon]

where are all those the browncos rock threads?

[Kaylore]

This is good news. At least we're not scape-goating people.