Phil Simms: Shanahan changing the offense for Cutler... - The Orange Mane

ukbroncosfan · 01-08-2007, 12:48 PM

Shanahan is changing the offense to suit drop back passing.

Shanahan is changing the offensive line. The new offensive line will be bigger to pass protect Cutler better on deep drops.

Shanahan wants explosive wide receivers.

I heard this on 790 the zone, so I don't have a link.

Florida_Bronco · 01-08-2007, 12:53 PM

Sounds good to me.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-08-2007, 12:58 PM

Hmm...Its hard to completely change an offensive philosophy in a single offseason.

Jens1893 · 01-08-2007, 01:01 PM

When did Phil Simms become a Broncos insider?

spdirty · 01-08-2007, 01:03 PM

try moving Foster to guard, get Kuper in there, Lepsis and Pears/Meadows are good for guards, cut Nails, start Hamilton at Center. If you can't/won't move Foster to guard, sign Steinbach.

Wideouts are fine IMO. Im totally comfortable with Walker, Marshall, Rod Smith?/David Kircus, and Scheff catchin balls.

ukbroncosfan · 01-08-2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Hmm...Its hard to completely change an offensive philosophy in a single offseason.

He said the Broncos were a team in transition in 06, but will be a different team in 07.

maven · 01-08-2007, 01:05 PM

Makes complete sense. Shanny finally has a QB that can make plays with his arm.

maven · 01-08-2007, 01:07 PM

The team can definately use an explosive slot receiver. Rod isn't going to cut it there. I see Rod more as a 4th receiver or backup to Walker or Marsh if one gets injured.

s0phr0syne · 01-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Hmm...Its hard to completely change an offensive philosophy in a single offseason.

True, but at the same time look at what Belichick has done with the Pats. I honestly don't understand how they change their offense so fluidly. It started this season as a power-O, using their depth at TE (Graham, Watson, Thomas) and H-back (Mills) to get the most out of their backs (Dillon, Maroney), and somehow they've reintegrated the spread passing game with Caldwell, Gaffney, Jackson, and Faulk.

I think we definitely need to change the offensive gameplan. As many noted here, our offense became very predictable with the playaction, endaround with Javon. I believe in Shanahan, but there were many times this season that I questioned if he still has the Mastermind touch. Can't wait to find out next season!

TheDave · 01-08-2007, 01:14 PM

Easier said than done... How is he going to mix the zone blocking scheme with the mamouth O-Line man needed to protect a drop back passer? As for explosive wide recievers... who doesn't want that?

Me thinks phil simms was just talking to talk...

bendog · 01-08-2007, 01:14 PM

He's never changed more than one guy out .... except maybe once. And, Den was a small line when Elway was the qb. Simms is making more of it than there is, imo. But, no doubt 06 was a transition year. But thinking Shanny will move away from the running game .... nah. And, as was discussed last week more teams are going to zone blocking all the time. Making this even more odd, is that the biggest olineman was the one who absolutely killed the passing game ... foster, and he had beefed up to be a road grader. Whoever the RT is next year, he's going to be smaller than foster this year, and that's even figuring Foster may still be the RT.

Now we've had trouble keeping big DT's out of Jake's face on the three step for a couple of years .... but I think Nails signed for two years, and I don't think Shanny throws him under the bus. Plus, Hamilton looks to be a good center, so it wouldn't make sense to cut him when we need a new center in 09. We might see something like Carlisle moving to RT and a new RG.

Rohirrim · 01-08-2007, 01:22 PM

The best thing Shanahan could do to help Cutler (IMO) would be to get a big, top-tier RB (Mike Bush), or H-back (Brian Leonard), that puts some size into the running game and scares opposing Ds. Either that, or trade up for Adrian Peterson. Mike Bell is a nice change-up back, but he's not going to scare anybody off their pass rush. To have an effective play action, you have to have a back that scares somebody.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-08-2007, 01:34 PM

I think Pears gets moved to RT, Foster inside to RG, Nalen at Center, Hamilton at LG with Lepsis at LT. Maybe. Hard to tell, Nalen may retire, hamilton may get moved to C with Kuper or Meyers at LG. We will see I suppose. I like the potential for next season's offense, consider, at one point we had Cutler (r), M. Bell (r), Sheffler (r), Marshall (r), Pears (R) STARTING games for us and we were still in contention for the 5th seed in the last week. I dont know if you blow up the car when all you need is a new tire.

Ratboy · 01-08-2007, 01:38 PM

I believe Phil Simms. Shanahan knows what Cutler can do when given the time. I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

alkemical · 01-08-2007, 01:40 PM

actually the broncos going to a bigger OL isn't so much an issue - since (as someone stated before on another thread - but forgot whom) - most guys coming out are now right at/around 300lbs.

Foster has good skills for a grader type role (if he showed desire to do so mind you) - but i think his overall abilities would translate the best at G for the broncos.

It's not a promise that we can find an upgrade at RT in the FA market. If it takes rookies 1yr to learn - another team that plays our scheme isn't going to let a 'premier' T go to FA without trying to maximize what they could get (trade, tender offer, etc).

So i'd like to keep foster at least through the duration of his contract, since he has T expierence - and if he'd be willing to play G - he could fill a starting role, and also be a backup if need be to play T in a pinch.

But i do think that the move to more of a pocket/pass protector OL than a run block/first guy is a move that will be made.

Just My Opinion.

alkemical · 01-08-2007, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

I believe Phil Simms. Shanahan knows what Cutler can do when given the time. I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

If we were to move up to take a WR i'd be a bit mad. Not that you ever have enough potential talent at WR in the NFL....... I'd rather us take a DL if we are moving up. Not just for need (although we do need it), but to get a blue chip prospect (hopefully) to fill a role & a need. AT worst a rookie DL would be in rotation.

But a WR or a CB/S would not suprise me from Dove Valley for the choice.

CHEF LUIGI · 01-08-2007, 01:52 PM

shanahan is a passing coach, all his background reflects a guy who really only understands the passing game, sorry.
when have you EVER seen a well crafted run play, something creative, a creative run foremation?
Shannys idea about clever run plays is a QB draw or a WR reverse !
shanny has never been a special teams coach. defensive coach, line coach, or RB coach, EVER !
check his resume!
this is a guy who called a game in college without one single run play !
Shanny knows and understands the passing game, he now has the QB to help him with his pass-happy mentality!
changing the O-line, is shanny or any of you so niave to think that is done in 1 season? !!!
Our O-line is not designed to be a pass first offense!
they are not the kind of guys that can offer success at straight up blocking, they must get their opponents MOVING, Laterally to be effective blocking.
that is what all of them are designed to do!
Dennison?
this guy has been making a living following the blueprints of alex gibbs!
How is he going to create a new blocking scheme for our broncos, let alone create a turnaround in just one season?
Kiss the broncos run first offense good-by, my fellow bronco friends, shanny will now attempt to do what he has always wanted, what he is most familiar with, and that is PASS the ball, first, early and often.
Cutler and shanny may be up to it, I am just not sure about the rest of the team, especially the O-line who will look like square pegs trying to fill round holes!

CHEF LUIGI · 01-08-2007, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

I believe Phil Simms. Shanahan knows what Cutler can do when given the time. I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

that would be retarde, sorry.
shanny has plenty of WR talent at his disposal,his team needs pass rush help and a new coach to lead the defense!
he has all the shiny new toys he needs in the passing game, EXCEPT the right kind of Oline to carry it off!
a first round receiver would just condemn shanny as the pass junkie I think he is !
He cant be that stoopid!

BroncoInferno · 01-08-2007, 01:55 PM

I wonder if Simms has inside info about Denver beefing up the OL or if he's just speculating based on what he saw Shanny do schematically at the end of the season?

Rohirrim · 01-08-2007, 01:56 PM

Shanahan has designed one of the best running schemes in the NFL. In fact, he's famous for it. What's the old joke? Every RB looks better in Denver. Shanahan is one of the runningest coaches in the NFL, if not numero uno.

Ratboy · 01-08-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

If we were to move up to take a WR i'd be a bit mad. Not that you ever have enough potential talent at WR in the NFL....... I'd rather us take a DL if we are moving up. Not just for need (although we do need it), but to get a blue chip prospect (hopefully) to fill a role & a need. AT worst a rookie DL would be in rotation.

But a WR or a CB/S would not suprise me from Dove Valley for the choice.

I want a Defensive Lineman. Somebody like Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams would be sweet.

BroncoInferno · 01-08-2007, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

With Walker and Marshall looking good, the only way I see Shanny going WR in the 1st is if it's a guy who can also help in the return game (i.e. Teg Guinn Jr).

ukbroncosfan · 01-08-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratboy

I believe Phil Simms. Shanahan knows what Cutler can do when given the time. I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

I think the explosive Brandon Marshall will replace Rod Smith as a starter. Javon Walker, Marshall and Tony Scheffler are explosive targets for Jay Cutler.

Ratboy · 01-08-2007, 02:00 PM

Brandon Marshall already replaced Rod Smith. We need a decent 3rd with Smith retires.

ukbroncosfan · 01-08-2007, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

With Walker and Marshall looking good, the only way I see Shanny going WR in the 1st is if it's a guy who can also help in the return game (i.e. Teg Guinn Jr).

Guinn Jr fits the explosive WR bill.

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Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	Sounds good to me.

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sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,673 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Hmm...Its hard to completely change an offensive philosophy in a single offseason.

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spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,901 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	try moving Foster to guard, get Kuper in there, Lepsis and Pears/Meadows are good for guards, cut Nails, start Hamilton at Center. If you can't/won't move Foster to guard, sign Steinbach. Wideouts are fine IMO. Im totally comfortable with Walker, Marshall, Rod Smith?/David Kircus, and Scheff catchin balls.

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maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,745	Makes complete sense. Shanny finally has a QB that can make plays with his arm.

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maven ★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆★☆ Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,745	The team can definately use an explosive slot receiver. Rod isn't going to cut it there. I see Rod more as a 4th receiver or backup to Walker or Marsh if one gets injured.

01-08-2007, 01:14 PM	#10
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Easier said than done... How is he going to mix the zone blocking scheme with the mamouth O-Line man needed to protect a drop back passer? As for explosive wide recievers... who doesn't want that? Me thinks phil simms was just talking to talk...

01-08-2007, 01:14 PM	#11
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	He's never changed more than one guy out .... except maybe once. And, Den was a small line when Elway was the qb. Simms is making more of it than there is, imo. But, no doubt 06 was a transition year. But thinking Shanny will move away from the running game .... nah. And, as was discussed last week more teams are going to zone blocking all the time. Making this even more odd, is that the biggest olineman was the one who absolutely killed the passing game ... foster, and he had beefed up to be a road grader. Whoever the RT is next year, he's going to be smaller than foster this year, and that's even figuring Foster may still be the RT. Now we've had trouble keeping big DT's out of Jake's face on the three step for a couple of years .... but I think Nails signed for two years, and I don't think Shanny throws him under the bus. Plus, Hamilton looks to be a good center, so it wouldn't make sense to cut him when we need a new center in 09. We might see something like Carlisle moving to RT and a new RG.

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,833	The best thing Shanahan could do to help Cutler (IMO) would be to get a big, top-tier RB (Mike Bush), or H-back (Brian Leonard), that puts some size into the running game and scares opposing Ds. Either that, or trade up for Adrian Peterson. Mike Bell is a nice change-up back, but he's not going to scare anybody off their pass rush. To have an effective play action, you have to have a back that scares somebody.

01-08-2007, 01:34 PM	#13
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,673 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	I think Pears gets moved to RT, Foster inside to RG, Nalen at Center, Hamilton at LG with Lepsis at LT. Maybe. Hard to tell, Nalen may retire, hamilton may get moved to C with Kuper or Meyers at LG. We will see I suppose. I like the potential for next season's offense, consider, at one point we had Cutler (r), M. Bell (r), Sheffler (r), Marshall (r), Pears (R) STARTING games for us and we were still in contention for the 5th seed in the last week. I dont know if you blow up the car when all you need is a new tire.

01-08-2007, 01:38 PM	#14
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	I believe Phil Simms. Shanahan knows what Cutler can do when given the time. I think Shanahan is going to look at drafting a WR in the 1st, Maybe even Sidney Rice.

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,694 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	actually the broncos going to a bigger OL isn't so much an issue - since (as someone stated before on another thread - but forgot whom) - most guys coming out are now right at/around 300lbs. Foster has good skills for a grader type role (if he showed desire to do so mind you) - but i think his overall abilities would translate the best at G for the broncos. It's not a promise that we can find an upgrade at RT in the FA market. If it takes rookies 1yr to learn - another team that plays our scheme isn't going to let a 'premier' T go to FA without trying to maximize what they could get (trade, tender offer, etc). So i'd like to keep foster at least through the duration of his contract, since he has T expierence - and if he'd be willing to play G - he could fill a starting role, and also be a backup if need be to play T in a pinch. But i do think that the move to more of a pocket/pass protector OL than a run block/first guy is a move that will be made. Just My Opinion.

01-08-2007, 01:52 PM	#17
CHEF LUIGI winning recipe man cooking up a victory Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 377	shanahan is a passing coach, all his background reflects a guy who really only understands the passing game, sorry. when have you EVER seen a well crafted run play, something creative, a creative run foremation? Shannys idea about clever run plays is a QB draw or a WR reverse ! shanny has never been a special teams coach. defensive coach, line coach, or RB coach, EVER ! check his resume! this is a guy who called a game in college without one single run play ! Shanny knows and understands the passing game, he now has the QB to help him with his pass-happy mentality! changing the O-line, is shanny or any of you so niave to think that is done in 1 season? !!! Our O-line is not designed to be a pass first offense! they are not the kind of guys that can offer success at straight up blocking, they must get their opponents MOVING, Laterally to be effective blocking. that is what all of them are designed to do! Dennison? this guy has been making a living following the blueprints of alex gibbs! How is he going to create a new blocking scheme for our broncos, let alone create a turnaround in just one season? Kiss the broncos run first offense good-by, my fellow bronco friends, shanny will now attempt to do what he has always wanted, what he is most familiar with, and that is PASS the ball, first, early and often. Cutler and shanny may be up to it, I am just not sure about the rest of the team, especially the O-line who will look like square pegs trying to fill round holes!

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BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 12,999	I wonder if Simms has inside info about Denver beefing up the OL or if he's just speculating based on what he saw Shanny do schematically at the end of the season?

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,833	Shanahan has designed one of the best running schemes in the NFL. In fact, he's famous for it. What's the old joke? Every RB looks better in Denver. Shanahan is one of the runningest coaches in the NFL, if not numero uno.

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Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Brandon Marshall already replaced Rod Smith. We need a decent 3rd with Smith retires.