Coyer Replacement... - The Orange Mane

wolf754life · 01-02-2007, 12:56 PM

I would think many on this board would welcome a change at Defensive Coordinator. Coyer is all used up, predictable zones, blitzes etc...

Who is out there? Who would you prefer?

I for one would like to see Jim Mora Jr take over our Defense. He was nails in SF and he has long been considered one of the brightest young Defensive minds in the league.

A new philosophy is needed. There has to be some up and coming hungry defensive coaches out there, not dinosaurs like larry c....

Crushaholic · 01-02-2007, 12:59 PM

Can we just beg Greg Robinson to come back?

NaptownChief · 01-02-2007, 01:00 PM

The Colts fans would gladly make a swap of Ron Meeks for Coyer....

Sure looked to me like the primary problem with the defense is the lack of talent on the Dline rather than the scheme.

If you guys change DCs I think the odds of getting worse is much greater than the odds of improving.

Barry Ramey · 01-02-2007, 01:27 PM

Jim Mora would be a good choice, though he may hold out for a year waiting for a HC job first. In any case, Coyer will not be hard to replace.

Ratboy · 01-02-2007, 01:29 PM

Dick Lebeau would be a good replacement, doubt he would leave ****tsburg though

OrangeShadow · 01-02-2007, 01:29 PM

how about giving him a defensive line to work with? or a safety that can cover a guy more than 10 yards down field.

Mile High Shack · 01-02-2007, 01:32 PM

1 more chance......he should only get 1 more year with an emphasis on getting a real dline

if he can't improve his crappy play calling with a new dline, then he has to go

cousinal11 · 01-02-2007, 01:34 PM

It's still too early for me to even think about football. Everytime I think about football it all goes back to 27. Still shocking.

Sir Mawn · 01-02-2007, 01:35 PM

I've said it many times here: I think Coyer is an OK coordinator who needs more talent to work with on the DL.

HOWEVER: I think he's a little too much towards funtamentals and doesn't pay enough attention to schemes. He seems to be a basics first coach but today's NFL is too complex to rely exclusively on guts, speed and good tackling. His schemes are predictable.

I would welcome a change. In an ideal world I'd say Jim Johnson but it'll never happen.

TheDave · 01-02-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

1 more chance......he should only get 1 more year with an emphasis on getting a real dline

if he can't improve his crappy play calling with a new dline, then he has to go

OK what did i miss?

Last i heard you had already backed up the Uhaul for him

BroncoInferno · 01-02-2007, 02:13 PM

I'm OK with Coyer, I'm in the 'he needs more horses up front' camp, but ,with that said, I'm not particularly gung-ho about him either. Sometimes a fresh approach helps, and I'd be happy to bring in someone like Mora Jr.

MileHighMagic · 01-02-2007, 02:35 PM

How many chances does he get? His defense gets torched regularly when he faces a good O or in a big game. He has worn out his welcome. Time for a change. I don't think we necessarily need a big name. I guarantee there are some gems in the SEC.

i4jelway7 · 01-02-2007, 02:36 PM

my biggest complaint w/ Coyer is that he does not adjust quick enough and he doesn't get creative scheme wise .... and as long as Shanny is the coach IMO Coyer will always have a job here

lostknight · 01-02-2007, 02:38 PM

My big concern with Coyer in general, is that I don't like the fact that the Defense could not rally in the second half of the season, but also bear in mind that Injuries really killed us this year. I think management of the Defense isn't what it could of been, but I won't be heartbroken if Coyer doesn't leave this off season.

Kaylore · 01-02-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Mawn

I've said it many times here: I think Coyer is an OK coordinator who needs more talent to work with on the DL.

HOWEVER: I think he's a little too much towards funtamentals and doesn't pay enough attention to schemes. He seems to be a basics first coach but today's NFL is too complex to rely exclusively on guts, speed and good tackling. His schemes are predictable.

I would welcome a change. In an ideal world I'd say Jim Johnson but it'll never happen.

I actually think it's the exact opposite. He sometimes out-thinks himself with some schemes, like those zone-blitzes. Defensive linemen hate zone-blitzing. It's counter-intuitive to what they do and it's asking for trouble in a 4-3.

A little more emphasis on tackling and wrapping up, or fundamentals, would go a long way.

BroncoBen · 01-02-2007, 03:10 PM

I for one would like to see a change on the defensive coaching staff. I have never liked all that zone they run.

NYBronco · 01-02-2007, 04:02 PM

Keep Coyer and continue to seek some good and effective pass rushing defensive linemen and improve the special team play.

The defense had the burden of carrying this football team this past year due to the lack of production from the offense and special teams. I believe next year with Cutler the offense will be even more productive (see Cutler's four game performance) and we will again see better ball control and those long sustained scoring drives.

Meck77 · 01-02-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

1 more chance......he should only get 1 more year with an emphasis on getting a real dline

agreed....Give the guy a chance to get a real d-line for once.

Bronx33 · 01-02-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Meck77

agreed....Give the guy a chance to get a real d-line for once.

Yep coyer can't be blamed for the personel hes givin and if you ask me not many DCs could have done what he did with the one he had. I like coyer sure i have ragged on him about some play calls but i think with the right personel he can put forehead boy on his a** 2 out of four plays and pick it off on the 3rd.

missingnumber7 · 01-02-2007, 04:51 PM

Can we get Buddy Ryan?

Crushaholic · 01-02-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by missingnumber7

Can we get Buddy Ryan?

I don't know about that, but I'm not opposed to stealing his kid from Oakland. He appears to be the only one who knows what's going on...

want2bAbronco2 · 01-02-2007, 05:55 PM

I was talking to a friend today and he said he heard on (i think) espn that denver was talking about switching to a 3-4. It was reported by the x Oline player for us (can't remember name). If so, I think with Dumervil and the way Nate played we have the line backers, but need all new Dline and new D coach. Not sure if that would be better then just drafting/FA big DT/pass rushing DEs.

Dudeskey · 01-02-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

Jim Mora would be a good choice, though he may hold out for a year waiting for a HC job first. In any case, Coyer will not be hard to replace.

I agree on both counts, but I don't think Mora sits out a year... dude's a workaholic, I'd love to have him as our DC

Atwater His Ass · 01-02-2007, 08:57 PM

I think Coyer would make a fine positions coach with his approach with proper technique, but he just isn't coordinator material. He lacks the ability to think on the fly and make adjustments as the game unfolds.

What we need is a guy who has a keen defensive mind. Shanny can handle the offense, but we need a guy he can rely on to run the defense and who can throw a little weight around in the war room to get some defensive players we can develop. I don't know if that guy even exists, but we need him.

broncogary · 01-02-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by want2bAbronco2

I was talking to a friend today and he said he heard on (i think) espn that denver was talking about switching to a 3-4. It was reported by the x Oline player for us (can't remember name). If so, I think with Dumervil and the way Nate played we have the line backers, but need all new Dline and new D coach. Not sure if that would be better then just drafting/FA big DT/pass rushing DEs.

Does the name "Mark Schlereth" ring a bell?

01-02-2007, 12:56 PM	#1
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	Coyer Replacement... I would think many on this board would welcome a change at Defensive Coordinator. Coyer is all used up, predictable zones, blitzes etc... Who is out there? Who would you prefer? I for one would like to see Jim Mora Jr take over our Defense. He was nails in SF and he has long been considered one of the brightest young Defensive minds in the league. A new philosophy is needed. There has to be some up and coming hungry defensive coaches out there, not dinosaurs like larry c....

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01-02-2007, 12:59 PM	#2
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,046	Can we just beg Greg Robinson to come back?

01-02-2007, 01:00 PM	#3
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	The Colts fans would gladly make a swap of Ron Meeks for Coyer.... Sure looked to me like the primary problem with the defense is the lack of talent on the Dline rather than the scheme. If you guys change DCs I think the odds of getting worse is much greater than the odds of improving.

01-02-2007, 01:27 PM	#4
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	Jim Mora would be a good choice, though he may hold out for a year waiting for a HC job first. In any case, Coyer will not be hard to replace.

01-02-2007, 01:29 PM	#5
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Dick Lebeau would be a good replacement, doubt he would leave ****tsburg though

01-02-2007, 01:29 PM	#6
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	how about giving him a defensive line to work with? or a safety that can cover a guy more than 10 yards down field.

01-02-2007, 01:32 PM	#7
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	1 more chance......he should only get 1 more year with an emphasis on getting a real dline if he can't improve his crappy play calling with a new dline, then he has to go

01-02-2007, 01:34 PM	#8
cousinal11 East Coast Bronco Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,203 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joel Dresseen	It's still too early for me to even think about football. Everytime I think about football it all goes back to 27. Still shocking.

01-02-2007, 01:35 PM	#9
Sir Mawn Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mexico City Posts: 1,926	I've said it many times here: I think Coyer is an OK coordinator who needs more talent to work with on the DL. HOWEVER: I think he's a little too much towards funtamentals and doesn't pay enough attention to schemes. He seems to be a basics first coach but today's NFL is too complex to rely exclusively on guts, speed and good tackling. His schemes are predictable. I would welcome a change. In an ideal world I'd say Jim Johnson but it'll never happen.

01-02-2007, 02:13 PM	#11
BroncoInferno Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 13,003	I'm OK with Coyer, I'm in the 'he needs more horses up front' camp, but ,with that said, I'm not particularly gung-ho about him either. Sometimes a fresh approach helps, and I'd be happy to bring in someone like Mora Jr.

01-02-2007, 02:35 PM	#12
MileHighMagic Ho-Slayer Rise and grind! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 1,436 Adopt-a-Bronco: Dave Logan	How many chances does he get? His defense gets torched regularly when he faces a good O or in a big game. He has worn out his welcome. Time for a change. I don't think we necessarily need a big name. I guarantee there are some gems in the SEC.

01-02-2007, 02:36 PM	#13
i4jelway7 Ring of Famer :notworthy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,873	my biggest complaint w/ Coyer is that he does not adjust quick enough and he doesn't get creative scheme wise .... and as long as Shanny is the coach IMO Coyer will always have a job here

01-02-2007, 02:38 PM	#14
lostknight In The Arena ohwaitwtf Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,362 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tim Tebow	My big concern with Coyer in general, is that I don't like the fact that the Defense could not rally in the second half of the season, but also bear in mind that Injuries really killed us this year. I think management of the Defense isn't what it could of been, but I won't be heartbroken if Coyer doesn't leave this off season.

01-02-2007, 03:10 PM	#16
BroncoBen Ring of Famer 38-35 double-overtime loss to Balt Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,464	I for one would like to see a change on the defensive coaching staff. I have never liked all that zone they run.

01-02-2007, 04:02 PM	#17
NYBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,994	Keep Coyer and continue to seek some good and effective pass rushing defensive linemen and improve the special team play. The defense had the burden of carrying this football team this past year due to the lack of production from the offense and special teams. I believe next year with Cutler the offense will be even more productive (see Cutler's four game performance) and we will again see better ball control and those long sustained scoring drives.

01-02-2007, 04:51 PM	#20
missingnumber7 Vote Joe Mays to Pro Bowl Joe 4 Pro Bowl ST's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bismarck Posts: 4,760 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	Can we get Buddy Ryan?

01-02-2007, 05:55 PM	#22
want2bAbronco2 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 618	I was talking to a friend today and he said he heard on (i think) espn that denver was talking about switching to a 3-4. It was reported by the x Oline player for us (can't remember name). If so, I think with Dumervil and the way Nate played we have the line backers, but need all new Dline and new D coach. Not sure if that would be better then just drafting/FA big DT/pass rushing DEs.

01-02-2007, 08:57 PM	#24
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,364 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think Coyer would make a fine positions coach with his approach with proper technique, but he just isn't coordinator material. He lacks the ability to think on the fly and make adjustments as the game unfolds. What we need is a guy who has a keen defensive mind. Shanny can handle the offense, but we need a guy he can rely on to run the defense and who can throw a little weight around in the war room to get some defensive players we can develop. I don't know if that guy even exists, but we need him.