RB by Committee - Still like it? - The Orange Mane

Broncos4tw · 01-02-2007, 11:28 AM

First, my respects to Darrent, and condonlences to his family and friends, and to the Bronco fans who watched him. I yelled at him during the year, but during the last two games, I really started looking at what he could do, and I was feeling pretty good about it. It's a tragic loss, and utterly senseless. Gonna miss you Darrent.

Now for the subject at hand: RB by committee. I made a post regarding this earlier in the year, and the concensus seemed to be "it's ok, this works fine!"

Do people still believe this?

As we moved forward through the last games of the year, our RBs were basically told, "if you screw up, you're out, and if we call you in, it's only because the other guy screwed up." I really don't see how this can build confident players. I also don't see how either of our players can get into any sort of a rhythm when they get sat as soon as they are warming up.

In my opinion, Mike Bell is the guy who should be running, only because he has the power to get the job done. Mike gets stood up far too often. If he was as good as say Sanders, perhaps I wouldn't mind the negative runs. But he isn't, and so I'd rather have a guy that performs what we ask with uncanny precision, being the one cut and gone. Mike can seriously make some cuts.

But really I don't care who is the starter next year, I want them to find one guy, and start him, all year long! The other guy should be the third down guy, or the goalline guy (if Mike ends up the backup). Our RBs looked subpar all year. Mike showed more promise I think that Tatum, but both players looked rusty. Surprised at fumbles Shanahan? Maybe if you played the guys for entire games, they'd not be so damned rusty.

Our o-line needs some serious looking at. But regardless of what we do to our line, or how good it gets, we need to make a decision about RB, and put the main guy in, and let him know he is the GUY. He is the main man, and he needs to play like the starter he is. Our running game was our strength, but it was strongest when we had ONE back, not two sharing the job. Let's go back to what we know worked for us.

And imo, put in Mike Bell, he is going to be solid.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 01-02-2007, 11:36 AM

The problem is that the Broncs have four backs on the roster and none of them are more than backups in the NFL.

bendog · 01-02-2007, 11:37 AM

MB had an ankle sprain for most of the year and tatum's got a toe or something. Cobbs had an ankle all year, and might have made IR had we not already cut dayne when he went down. Nash is rehabbing a knee, I think it's a knee. Personally, I don't think MB is big enough to avg 20 carries. Tater's a 10-15 max guy.

But this team had two healthy TB's for less than five games. I'd say draft rbs and dlinemen, but with DWill .... who knows.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-02-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bendog

MB had an ankle sprain for most of the year and tatum's got a toe or something. Cobbs had an ankle all year, and might have made IR had we not already cut dayne when he went down. Nash is rehabbing a knee, I think it's a knee. Personally, I don't think MB is big enough to avg 20 carries. Tater's a 10-15 max guy.

But this team had two healthy TB's for less than five games. I'd say draft rbs and dlinemen, but with DWill .... who knows.

Denver ran for 2,000 yards as a team, even with rent a back in the backfield, we still had a 1,000 yard rusher and tatum missed 3 full games and halves of others. We need more size on both lines, especially on defense at Tackle.

azbroncfan · 01-02-2007, 12:00 PM

Shanny doesn't want RBBC but is forced due to no legit #1.

Broncos4tw · 01-02-2007, 12:02 PM

Mike Bell is 6', at 220 pounds. Terrell Davis was 210 at under 6'. How is Mike Bell not big enough to carry the ball 25+ times a game?

bendog · 01-02-2007, 12:03 PM

I don't buy that Mike Bell is as big as TD was. They can list whatever, but the kid's smaller than TD.

elsid13 · 01-02-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bendog

I don't buy that Mike Bell is as big as TD was. They can list whatever, but the kid's smaller than TD.

I expect he is closer to 205 to 210 then 220, (especial at the end of the season) but I waiting to pass judgement on him until we see what he looks like after a professional off season of conditioning.

He has shown flash that he could be a good back in this system, but like all rookie he need to improve himself he wants to be special. For Mike Bell that means getting in better shape, breaking down game tape and learning the system better. I think it amazing that he seem to be one in the back field when the long drive occurred under Cutler.

Orange_Beard · 01-02-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncos4tw

Mike Bell is 6', at 220 pounds. Terrell Davis was 210 at under 6'. How is Mike Bell not big enough to carry the ball 25+ times a game?

There is no way Mike Bell is 220. I saw him at the gym I workout at, he is not 220.
That being said, I think if he got to 220 and kept his speed, he would be a huge star in the league.

Smiling Assassin27 · 01-02-2007, 12:28 PM

depends on the committee. the current committee should be blown up. all in all, though, i'd take a thoroughbread over a group of geldings.

Atwater His Ass · 01-02-2007, 12:29 PM

Again, I think the problem is in the OL, not the RBs. Mike Bell is our best every down back, imo. He can carry the load. Tatum is a nice change of pace guy.

We still had overall success running the ball this year. Our problem was running inside the red zone and in short yardage situations. That is an OL issue, not a RB issue. It tells me that when the other team knows we are going to run, we get overpowered and can't get it done. This has been a rarity in the past and it's because our OL is the worst we've had here in a long time.

Get a decent OL back together, and our RBs will be fine.

bendog · 01-02-2007, 12:36 PM

I'm not real down on Nash. Cobbs either really, though he's gotten more of a chance, and MB beat him out in the preseason for the spot opposite tater on the active squad. Nash hasn't really gotten a looksee. He had trouble with his college coach, came out, spent time on Tenn's bench his rook year, then came in late to Den in this year's camp after getting cut cause they had LenDaleWhite, CBrown and THenry.

And if Bell was really 220, yeah, he might move the pile.

Defense is really this team's biggest weakness. Kick off return is the only thing it excells at.

watermock · 01-02-2007, 12:36 PM

The wish list just got longer after the DWill tragedy. We need help all over...first I try to fix the OL that is getting Cutler killed. You name it we need it, including possibly bringing in Jim Mora Jr. as the DC.

Nails never had much push and he's long in the tooth...WTF are we doing trying to punch the ball against 9 in the box last Sunday? Where was the rollout? It was completely open.

We need to get Jim Mora Jr. in here ASAP and get some OL help. This is rediculous. That was a worse concussion to Jay than let on...his head banged...let's get the kid a bubblehead helmet next year.

I'm not even going to put up with any crap from Chef fan when they slinked into the playoffs due to a FG try that made the oddest hook I have ever seen in minimal wind.

The SF FG was barely good as well, but it was typical Coyer. This is the second time he has played soft like we had a ten point lead in OT...I'm sick of it.

I'm still bummed out regarding DWill.

watermock · 01-02-2007, 12:38 PM

Tater and Mike are second tier backs at best. First we have to patch that OL.

I wish it were otherwise, but that's just the fact.

SoDak Bronco · 01-02-2007, 01:00 PM

Adrian Peterson, or Mike Bush would make our line look a whole lot more impressive. Plus I think with if Lepsis can return to his old form, Foster on the first train out of town, and the developement of Kuper/Pears/Elsinger/Meyers we have a nice young core of O-linemean. I think Paymah and Foxy will be solid players in the coming years. We will def. miss dwill, however.

I hope we draft RB in the first, and hit D-lineman throughout the early rounds.

BroncoBuff · 01-02-2007, 01:15 PM

Short answer - yes.

I think this year - especially the second half - proved that Tatum is best used as a change of pace back. That's not to say he won't get 1000 yards or 15 carries a game, but just like last year when he spelled the Marine in the second quarter and later, Tatum is a change-of-pace, #1A back.

The #1 back could be Nash, Cobbs or Mike Bell - but I think he's already on the roster. We need ZERO players on offense (maybe backup QB only). Just like last year's 'offense only' draft, this time it's 'defense only.'

sgbfan · 01-02-2007, 01:30 PM

If we had an amazing back fall into place, then bite on it, but I think a solid O-line would make the backs look better. I don't know if we need to draft another tackle, pick one up in FA, or we have him in our system. RB is a need, but we take one in the 1st if top ten talent drops to us, or not until late second day. We don't need more depth at RB if we can't get a top back.

I say we wait a year or two and keep Johnson a Bronco somehow.

OrangeShadow · 01-02-2007, 01:34 PM

Id welcome portis back for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

yavoon · 01-02-2007, 01:40 PM

yes, I like RB by committee, if we really wanted to imrpove the running game(the best performing thing of what we do) I'd do it w/ oline.

-Slap- · 01-02-2007, 01:44 PM

RBBC sucks ass. It will always be exposed by good defenses in the playoffs.

TallyBronco · 01-02-2007, 01:52 PM

If you think these RBs can take us through the playoffs next year . . .

BroncoInferno · 01-02-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

RBBC sucks ass. It will always be exposed by good defenses in the playoffs.

Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl last season with RBBC. It can work, just depends on the who is in the committee. I'm not real high on this group.

broncosteven · 01-02-2007, 02:24 PM

After what I saw in last game the Oline & Dline lost it for us.

Hopefully Kahn is right & Kuiper can fufill his promise. Foster needs leave. I wonder if Pears could be a good RT(at least backup Meadows) & keep Lepsis at LT.

I like Mike Bell as a better option as a runner, he cuts better & finds or creates a hole much like TD did. I didn't see it on TV but live at the game you can see him dive forward when there is nothing there. Too bad MBell has the worst Oline in Shanny's career at Denver. The Oline , i.e. Foster, nearly got Cutler killed. TBell goes down too easy.

I still think Mbell is slower than TD & will get caught from behind more than TD was but he will become a serviceable 1200 yard back with a real Denver Bronco Oline.

Kaylore · 01-02-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl last season with RBBC. It can work, just depends on the who is in the committee. I'm not real high on this group.

The Patriots won all three years with a rotation as well. It can work, but it's something that won't be your strong suit when you're using it.

Mike bell was a rookie this year and really grew late into the year. He got better in all phases of the game. I don't know if he can take the next step, but I like the way he finishes his runs, I like his nose at the goal line, and I like his vision and ability to see the cutback and take it. He fits our system and is incredibly cheap. I would like to see what he can do behind a decent o-line if we can't find the back we want in free agency or the draft.

elsid13 · 01-02-2007, 02:42 PM

Now that I think about the only back - running or full- that might be back next year is Mike Bell.

I doubt Nash(attitude)/Cobbs (injury prone) stick around, T Bell might be traded and I believe both Sapp and Johnson are FA.

Adding a FB that can open the way, will improve our running game.

01-02-2007, 01:30 PM	#17
sgbfan Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,002	If we had an amazing back fall into place, then bite on it, but I think a solid O-line would make the backs look better. I don't know if we need to draft another tackle, pick one up in FA, or we have him in our system. RB is a need, but we take one in the 1st if top ten talent drops to us, or not until late second day. We don't need more depth at RB if we can't get a top back. I say we wait a year or two and keep Johnson a Bronco somehow. Last edited by sgbfan; 01-02-2007 at 01:34 PM..

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01-02-2007, 11:28 AM	#1
Broncos4tw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,458	RB by Committee - Still like it? First, my respects to Darrent, and condonlences to his family and friends, and to the Bronco fans who watched him. I yelled at him during the year, but during the last two games, I really started looking at what he could do, and I was feeling pretty good about it. It's a tragic loss, and utterly senseless. Gonna miss you Darrent. Now for the subject at hand: RB by committee. I made a post regarding this earlier in the year, and the concensus seemed to be "it's ok, this works fine!" Do people still believe this? As we moved forward through the last games of the year, our RBs were basically told, "if you screw up, you're out, and if we call you in, it's only because the other guy screwed up." I really don't see how this can build confident players. I also don't see how either of our players can get into any sort of a rhythm when they get sat as soon as they are warming up. In my opinion, Mike Bell is the guy who should be running, only because he has the power to get the job done. Mike gets stood up far too often. If he was as good as say Sanders, perhaps I wouldn't mind the negative runs. But he isn't, and so I'd rather have a guy that performs what we ask with uncanny precision, being the one cut and gone. Mike can seriously make some cuts. But really I don't care who is the starter next year, I want them to find one guy, and start him, all year long! The other guy should be the third down guy, or the goalline guy (if Mike ends up the backup). Our RBs looked subpar all year. Mike showed more promise I think that Tatum, but both players looked rusty. Surprised at fumbles Shanahan? Maybe if you played the guys for entire games, they'd not be so damned rusty. Our o-line needs some serious looking at. But regardless of what we do to our line, or how good it gets, we need to make a decision about RB, and put the main guy in, and let him know he is the GUY. He is the main man, and he needs to play like the starter he is. Our running game was our strength, but it was strongest when we had ONE back, not two sharing the job. Let's go back to what we know worked for us. And imo, put in Mike Bell, he is going to be solid.

01-02-2007, 11:36 AM	#2
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	The problem is that the Broncs have four backs on the roster and none of them are more than backups in the NFL.

01-02-2007, 11:37 AM	#3
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	MB had an ankle sprain for most of the year and tatum's got a toe or something. Cobbs had an ankle all year, and might have made IR had we not already cut dayne when he went down. Nash is rehabbing a knee, I think it's a knee. Personally, I don't think MB is big enough to avg 20 carries. Tater's a 10-15 max guy. But this team had two healthy TB's for less than five games. I'd say draft rbs and dlinemen, but with DWill .... who knows.

01-02-2007, 12:00 PM	#5
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Shanny doesn't want RBBC but is forced due to no legit #1.

01-02-2007, 12:02 PM	#6
Broncos4tw Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,458	Mike Bell is 6', at 220 pounds. Terrell Davis was 210 at under 6'. How is Mike Bell not big enough to carry the ball 25+ times a game?

01-02-2007, 12:03 PM	#7
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I don't buy that Mike Bell is as big as TD was. They can list whatever, but the kid's smaller than TD.

01-02-2007, 12:28 PM	#10
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,970 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	depends on the committee. the current committee should be blown up. all in all, though, i'd take a thoroughbread over a group of geldings.

01-02-2007, 12:29 PM	#11
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Again, I think the problem is in the OL, not the RBs. Mike Bell is our best every down back, imo. He can carry the load. Tatum is a nice change of pace guy. We still had overall success running the ball this year. Our problem was running inside the red zone and in short yardage situations. That is an OL issue, not a RB issue. It tells me that when the other team knows we are going to run, we get overpowered and can't get it done. This has been a rarity in the past and it's because our OL is the worst we've had here in a long time. Get a decent OL back together, and our RBs will be fine.

01-02-2007, 12:36 PM	#12
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I'm not real down on Nash. Cobbs either really, though he's gotten more of a chance, and MB beat him out in the preseason for the spot opposite tater on the active squad. Nash hasn't really gotten a looksee. He had trouble with his college coach, came out, spent time on Tenn's bench his rook year, then came in late to Den in this year's camp after getting cut cause they had LenDaleWhite, CBrown and THenry. And if Bell was really 220, yeah, he might move the pile. Defense is really this team's biggest weakness. Kick off return is the only thing it excells at.

01-02-2007, 12:36 PM	#13
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	The wish list just got longer after the DWill tragedy. We need help all over...first I try to fix the OL that is getting Cutler killed. You name it we need it, including possibly bringing in Jim Mora Jr. as the DC. Nails never had much push and he's long in the tooth...WTF are we doing trying to punch the ball against 9 in the box last Sunday? Where was the rollout? It was completely open. We need to get Jim Mora Jr. in here ASAP and get some OL help. This is rediculous. That was a worse concussion to Jay than let on...his head banged...let's get the kid a bubblehead helmet next year. I'm not even going to put up with any crap from Chef fan when they slinked into the playoffs due to a FG try that made the oddest hook I have ever seen in minimal wind. The SF FG was barely good as well, but it was typical Coyer. This is the second time he has played soft like we had a ten point lead in OT...I'm sick of it. I'm still bummed out regarding DWill.

01-02-2007, 12:38 PM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Tater and Mike are second tier backs at best. First we have to patch that OL. I wish it were otherwise, but that's just the fact.

01-02-2007, 01:00 PM	#15
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	Adrian Peterson, or Mike Bush would make our line look a whole lot more impressive. Plus I think with if Lepsis can return to his old form, Foster on the first train out of town, and the developement of Kuper/Pears/Elsinger/Meyers we have a nice young core of O-linemean. I think Paymah and Foxy will be solid players in the coming years. We will def. miss dwill, however. I hope we draft RB in the first, and hit D-lineman throughout the early rounds.

01-02-2007, 01:15 PM	#16
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Short answer - yes. I think this year - especially the second half - proved that Tatum is best used as a change of pace back. That's not to say he won't get 1000 yards or 15 carries a game, but just like last year when he spelled the Marine in the second quarter and later, Tatum is a change-of-pace, #1A back. The #1 back could be Nash, Cobbs or Mike Bell - but I think he's already on the roster. We need ZERO players on offense (maybe backup QB only). Just like last year's 'offense only' draft, this time it's 'defense only.'

01-02-2007, 01:34 PM	#18
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	Id welcome portis back for a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

01-02-2007, 01:40 PM	#19
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	yes, I like RB by committee, if we really wanted to imrpove the running game(the best performing thing of what we do) I'd do it w/ oline.

01-02-2007, 01:44 PM	#20
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	RBBC sucks ass. It will always be exposed by good defenses in the playoffs.

01-02-2007, 01:52 PM	#21
TallyBronco Seasoned Veteran New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 359 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	If you think these RBs can take us through the playoffs next year . . .

01-02-2007, 02:24 PM	#23
broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	After what I saw in last game the Oline & Dline lost it for us. Hopefully Kahn is right & Kuiper can fufill his promise. Foster needs leave. I wonder if Pears could be a good RT(at least backup Meadows) & keep Lepsis at LT. I like Mike Bell as a better option as a runner, he cuts better & finds or creates a hole much like TD did. I didn't see it on TV but live at the game you can see him dive forward when there is nothing there. Too bad MBell has the worst Oline in Shanny's career at Denver. The Oline , i.e. Foster, nearly got Cutler killed. TBell goes down too easy. I still think Mbell is slower than TD & will get caught from behind more than TD was but he will become a serviceable 1200 yard back with a real Denver Bronco Oline.

01-02-2007, 02:42 PM	#25
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	Now that I think about the only back - running or full- that might be back next year is Mike Bell. I doubt Nash(attitude)/Cobbs (injury prone) stick around, T Bell might be traded and I believe both Sapp and Johnson are FA. Adding a FB that can open the way, will improve our running game.