End of the year Coyer poll.... - The Orange Mane

Popps · 01-01-2007, 01:55 AM

Larry has finished his fourth season as our DC.

You're the owner... what do you do?

footstepsfrom#27 · 01-01-2007, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

Larry has finished his fourth season as our DC.

You're the owner... what do you do?

I'll help him pack.

BroncoMatt · 01-01-2007, 02:05 AM

he's a turd

SoCalBronco · 01-01-2007, 02:07 AM

Keep him.

He has done a fine job without a whole lot up front. We finished in the top 5-6 again in scoring defense. Almost every year he has been in charge, one of the three units on the defense has been scrubs, in 2003 it was the back four, the last few years its been the DL. Coyer is a very hard worker and did well this year. He has hidden our safeties lack of range the last few years very well, as well.

Ofcourse I do not like how he petitioned hard to get Ian back, but other than that, I think he has done a very good job throughout his tenure here, especially without Brown and with a hurt Warren this year.

Get him some horses up front.

BroncoMatt · 01-01-2007, 02:14 AM

that scoring defense stat I think has more to do with Champ than Coyer

Ratboy · 01-01-2007, 03:26 AM

Dump him.

He's kinda like Jake Plummer. He gets through a season and doesn't do too bad, In the post season he crumbles, I think we can find better out there.

Crushaholic · 01-01-2007, 03:28 AM

We never put pressure on the QB and that sickens me. Let's get someone in there who can call blitz more than a couple times a game...

wabbit · 01-01-2007, 03:29 AM

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

Dukes · 01-01-2007, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Get him some horses up front.

We had Pryce last year. Now he's got 12+ sacks. Not only is it the players, it's the scheme. Time for a change.

Killericon · 01-01-2007, 04:38 AM

He has an All-Pro Corner and Middle Linebacker, two fantasic outside linebackers, a Pro Bowl safety, a good #2 corner(I'm still on the Darrent Bandwagon)...and a bad to decent line(Dumervil and Lang were good this year, I don't care what you say).

With that kind of talent, there's no excuses. Ship him out. I hope we can get a genius to replace him with, though...Maybe Jack Del Rio will lose his job...

Kaylore · 01-01-2007, 04:53 AM

A lot of the things that people want to blame Coyer for are really problems from the front office. For all we know Coyer is just as frustrated with some of the personnel decisions as we are. Remember he doesn't call the shots there.

I do think one critical area he needs to improve is getting better tackling our of our linebackers. They regularly have bounced off of defenders this year. If we just can't get the ones we have to improve we should go get new ones that can.

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Keep him.

He has done a fine job without a whole lot up front. We finished in the top 5-6 again in scoring defense. Almost every year he has been in charge, one of the three units on the defense has been scrubs, in 2003 it was the back four, the last few years its been the DL. Coyer is a very hard worker and did well this year. He has hidden our safeties lack of range the last few years very well, as well.

Ofcourse I do not like how he petitioned hard to get Ian back, but other than that, I think he has done a very good job throughout his tenure here, especially without Brown and with a hurt Warren this year.

Get him some horses up front.

Cough, BIASED, cough, cough.

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wabbit

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

If the D-line has been junk yard trash through his tenure as Broncos DC, explain why every Dlineman complains about his scheme when they leave and go on to have more productive seasons with other ball clubs?

Here's a hint: THEY'RE NOT JUNK YARD TRASH. COYER IS!

Kaylore · 01-01-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

If the D-line has been junk yard trash through his tenure as Broncos DC, explain why every Dlineman complains about his scheme when they leave and go on to have more productive seasons with other ball clubs?

Here's a hint: THEY'RE NOT JUNK YARD TRASH. COYER IS!

If by everyone you mean just Trevor Pryce, then I see your point. I would like to point out that a lot of the guys we used to have starting for us are not even in the league anymore.

Popps · 01-01-2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

A lot of the things that people want to blame Coyer for are really problems from the front office.

Yea, I've heard that one.... and I'm not so sure.

Let's think about this. We hire Andre Patterson... a freaking POSITION coach, and that guy has invited every one of his buddies in for a job. We've got everyone but the ****ing waterboy from Cleveland playing on this team, now.

So, how does that happen if our coaches are just figure-heads with no control over personnel moves? Clearly this Patterson guy has some clout.

So, you're telling me that HIS BOSS has less say in personnel matters than he does? C'mon, man... our ENTIRE ****ing defensive line came from Cleveland. A lowly position coach managed to get the guys he wanted.

Larry is supposed to be heading up that unit. He's ABOVE Patterson. Yet, he's got no say in personnel? Do they duct-tape his arms behind his back and throw him in a closet in the off-season?

Something doesn't add up, there.

Odysseus · 01-01-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by wabbit

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

Half the posters here say things like "let's get Jason Taylor" like he's standing out the Broncos facility pleading us for a job and the other half want to start a 3-4 defense no matter what personnel we have. I only know of a dozen posters who could figure out how to fix our defensive woes without going over salary cap and 11 of those would email Hercules Rockefellar to check their math.

Coyer is doing miracles with soap bubbles. I don't like our sponge defense anymore than anyone else here but there isn't a stock pile of defensive coaches who can work without three of their starting safeties and a defensive scheme that requires pressure from the front four and not having a real front four. Raiders figured out how to get a front four. If Crazy Al can do it I'm pretty sure Coyer can.

Coyer's guidance is get it done with X dollars. Why? They didn't have any money. You don't draft a top flight QB without getting him some help. Plummer knew the leaky offensive line was a huge part of the problem and now pretty much everybody gets it now.

I really hope we don't start the offense versus defense debate again. I think it's pretty obvious that if you cannot pressure the QB your offense is going to get teed off on.

FYI: NOBODY is mentioning that our Special Teams let teams run half the field before stopping them.

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

If by everyone you mean just Trevor Pryce, then I see your point. I would like to point out that a lot of the guys we used to have starting for us are not even in the league anymore.

Or you could add in Reggie and Bertrand. No one's claiming Fatafehi and Pope were special. Reggie's numbers dipped in Jacksonville but if you remember how he padded his Broncos numbers against Tennessee his last season and watch him when healthy with the Jags and it's beautiful.

Watch those Pryce, Reggie and Berry in Denver uni's under Coyer... doing read fronts, covering the flat and rushing the passer in probably 1/3 of the obvious passing downs. Watch them with their new teams... letting them pin their ears back, using GOOD stunts and getting solid pressure.

Odysseus · 01-01-2007, 05:13 AM

Pryce is grinning ear to ear and high fiving Mike Anderson. Mike, of course, was just being courteous to Tre dawg.

Popps · 01-01-2007, 05:13 AM

Tiger,

No one, and I mean NO ONE has championed the D-line around here as much as me. But, after four seasons and off-seasons... does Larry not garner a few questions at this point?

Again, if it's all personnel.... doesn't he have a little to do with that? Greg Robinson certainly did. Shanahan all but gave Robinson the checkbook when he hired him in 1995. Even Elway was credited as influencing Shanahan with regards to the Neil Smith signing.

How is it that or DC of four years is absolutely absent from the personnel decision making process?

Then you've got questions like.... how does Trevor Pryce go from **** to sugar-cookies the minute he gets out of our system? That guy hasn't shown up on the radar in years, and now he's having a Pro Bowl season?

I agree with you, man... we need a pass-rusher. Again, no one has said that more or longer than myself. But, at a certain point... I start asking questions about the guy who heads up the unit.

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by quiettiger

Half the posters here say things like "let's get Jason Taylor" like he's standing out the Broncos facility pleading us for a job and the other half want to start a 3-4 defense no matter what personnel we have. I only know of a dozen posters who could figure out how to fix our defensive woes without going over salary cap and 11 of those would email Hercules Rockefellar to check their math.

Coyer is doing miracles with soap bubbles. I don't like our sponge defense anymore than anyone else here but there isn't a stock pile of defensive coaches who can work without three of their starting safeties and a defensive scheme that requires pressure from the front four and not having a real front four. Raiders figured out how to get a front four. If Crazy Al can do it I'm pretty sure Coyer can.

Coyer's guidance is get it done with X dollars. Why? They didn't have any money. You don't draft a top flight QB without getting him some help. Plummer knew the leaky offensive line was a huge part of the problem and now pretty much everybody gets it now.

I really hope we don't start the offense versus defense debate again. I think it's pretty obvious that if you cannot pressure the QB your offense is going to get teed off on.

FYI: NOBODY is mentioning that our Special Teams let teams run half the field before stopping them.

Interesting you'd bring up the raiders and x amount of dollars Coyer has available. How much money do you think Oakland spends on their D?

How much can they when they have:

Big contract to Randy Moss
Big contract to Jerry Porter
Big contract to Robert Gallery
Sizeable contract to Aaron Brooks
Sizeable contract to Walter

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 05:18 AM

There's only one reason Coyer still has a job in Denver (and I hope beyond all hopes that changes Monday!), and his name is Champ Bailey. Without Bailey Coyer would've been exposed as retarded years ago... like he did back in the Herndon/Walls days.

Popps · 01-01-2007, 05:21 AM

I've said all along... it's just criminal to have Champ back there rotting away because we can't field a decent front 7.

What a travesty it'll be if we don't get that guy a ring.

TheReverend · 01-01-2007, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Popps

I've said all along... it's just criminal to have Champ back there rotting away because we can't field a decent front 7.

What a travesty it'll be if we don't get that guy a ring.

He'll be a first ballot whether he gets one or not.

Odysseus · 01-01-2007, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Interesting you'd bring up the raiders and x amount of dollars Coyer has available. How much money do you think Oakland spends on their D?

How much can they when they have:

Big contract to Randy Moss
Big contract to Jerry Porter
Big contract to Robert Gallery
Sizeable contract to Aaron Brooks
Sizeable contract to Walter

2-14 versus whatever the heck we got...does not constitute firing anyone.

Popps · 01-01-2007, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

He'll be a first ballot whether he gets one or not.

No doubt... but, ask Marino if he'd trade his Hall status for just ONE ring.

Every day and twice on Sunday.

View Poll Results: Has Coyer shown you enough in 4 seasons?
Keep him: He's shown that he's capable of building a championship defense	9	11.84%
Dump him: I've seen enough. It's time to look for other options.	67	88.16%
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01-01-2007, 01:55 AM	#1
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	End of the year Coyer poll.... Larry has finished his fourth season as our DC. You're the owner... what do you do?

01-01-2007, 02:07 AM	#4
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,307 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Keep him. He has done a fine job without a whole lot up front. We finished in the top 5-6 again in scoring defense. Almost every year he has been in charge, one of the three units on the defense has been scrubs, in 2003 it was the back four, the last few years its been the DL. Coyer is a very hard worker and did well this year. He has hidden our safeties lack of range the last few years very well, as well. Ofcourse I do not like how he petitioned hard to get Ian back, but other than that, I think he has done a very good job throughout his tenure here, especially without Brown and with a hurt Warren this year. Get him some horses up front. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH! Last edited by SoCalBronco; 01-01-2007 at 02:10 AM..

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01-01-2007, 02:05 AM	#3
BroncoMatt The Blizzard Man Check My Style Out Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: California Posts: 1,559	he's a turd

01-01-2007, 02:14 AM	#5
BroncoMatt The Blizzard Man Check My Style Out Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: California Posts: 1,559	that scoring defense stat I think has more to do with Champ than Coyer

01-01-2007, 03:26 AM	#6
Ratboy It's all over... ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 13,276	Dump him. He's kinda like Jake Plummer. He gets through a season and doesn't do too bad, In the post season he crumbles, I think we can find better out there.

01-01-2007, 03:28 AM	#7
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	We never put pressure on the QB and that sickens me. Let's get someone in there who can call blitz more than a couple times a game...

01-01-2007, 03:29 AM	#8
wabbit Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 5,449	Keep him. The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs. Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

01-01-2007, 04:38 AM	#10
Killericon YES A DT!!!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: From Calgary, in Halifax for School Posts: 7,730 Adopt-a-Bronco: watermock	He has an All-Pro Corner and Middle Linebacker, two fantasic outside linebackers, a Pro Bowl safety, a good #2 corner(I'm still on the Darrent Bandwagon)...and a bad to decent line(Dumervil and Lang were good this year, I don't care what you say). With that kind of talent, there's no excuses. Ship him out. I hope we can get a genius to replace him with, though...Maybe Jack Del Rio will lose his job...

01-01-2007, 04:53 AM	#11
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,055 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	A lot of the things that people want to blame Coyer for are really problems from the front office. For all we know Coyer is just as frustrated with some of the personnel decisions as we are. Remember he doesn't call the shots there. I do think one critical area he needs to improve is getting better tackling our of our linebackers. They regularly have bounced off of defenders this year. If we just can't get the ones we have to improve we should go get new ones that can.

01-01-2007, 05:13 AM	#18
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	Pryce is grinning ear to ear and high fiving Mike Anderson. Mike, of course, was just being courteous to Tre dawg.

01-01-2007, 05:18 AM	#21
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 33,015 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	There's only one reason Coyer still has a job in Denver (and I hope beyond all hopes that changes Monday!), and his name is Champ Bailey. Without Bailey Coyer would've been exposed as retarded years ago... like he did back in the Herndon/Walls days.

01-01-2007, 05:21 AM	#22
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	I've said all along... it's just criminal to have Champ back there rotting away because we can't field a decent front 7. What a travesty it'll be if we don't get that guy a ring.