If Cowher retires...should we raid the Steelers staff?

[footstepsfrom#27]

It looks like a fairly decent possibility that the Jaw calls it quits if rumors prove true. Some people think that OC Ken Whisenhunt might replace him...but just in case the Steelers look outside the organization for a new coach...should we go get DC Dick LeBeau or some other Steeler coaches? You got to like how their defense is built...big, physical and aggressive...or should we stick with Coyer? Personally I really like LeBeau and O-Line coach Russ Grimm as well. I'm tired of the zone blocking scheme anyway. What do you think?

Discuss...

[go_broncos]

if coyer is our d-coordinator next year, the result will be the same as of this year.

[yavoon]

I likie

[bloodsunday]

No. They run totally different schemes. If we can take Lebeau and their entire defensive roster (they run the 3 - 4), then maybe. But since we don't run the 3 - 4 and aren't likely to convert in one season, I think its a horrible idea.

I might be inclined to look at some offensive line help in the coaching ranks. I also would be inclined to demote or fire either Dennison or Dinger.

[Popps]

There's nothing wrong with the zone blocking scheme. It's just another scheme that, when executed correctly... produces results.

Missing Lepsis hurt us, and that waste of space on the other side is a liability.

Add to that... we don't have a complete running back. Mike Bell just doesn't have enough pop, and we all know Tatum's story. We need some talent infused to that line. I even think missing Sapp hurt us a little.

We need a short-yardage back, a true bruiser in the Bettis mold, even if it's a specialist like Zach Crockett. (I've always wished we had that dude.)

Then, we need a complete running back. Nash is the closest thing we have and he's apparently a ****head.

As for the defense... I wouldn't shed a single tear of Coyer was sent packing. I'm the first to say that he needs more talent up front, but he's had 4 seasons to show something and his squads continually melt down in big games.... with today just being another example, and this wasn't even against a top flight offense.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Popps

There's nothing wrong with the zone blocking scheme. It's just another scheme that, when executed correctly... produces results.

Missing Lepsis hurt us, and that waste of space on the other side is a liability.

I don't think this OL would miss a beat if it were:

LT - Lepsis
LG - Hamilton
C - Nalen
RG - Kuper
RT - Pears (Meadows?)

We have some talent there. It's time to let the young guys get some PT. Pears seems to have played well all things considered and could upgrade the right side when Lepsis is healthy. But another tackle would be nice to have if the right situation arises.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

No. They run totally different schemes. If we can take Lebeau and their entire defensive roster (they run the 3 - 4), then maybe. But since we don't run the 3 - 4 and aren't likely to convert in one season, I think its a horrible idea.

I don't see why that matters. He's been coaching 34 years and I'm sure he knows what to do with a 4-3 defense. In good years and bad, the Steelers always have defenses that hit.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Popps

There's nothing wrong with the zone blocking scheme. It's just another scheme that, when executed correctly... produces results.

This O-line gets abused in pass blocking and they can't run inside the red zone. I think it's time we junk the sub-300 pound O-line guys that can only function in the zone blocking scheme.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

It looks like a fairly decent possibility that the Jaw calls it quits if rumors prove true. Some people think that OC Ken Whisenhunt might replace him...but just in case the Steelers look outside the organization for a new coach...should we go get DC Dick LeBeau or some other Steeler coaches? You got to like how their defense is built...big, physical and aggressive...or should we stick with Coyer? Personally I really like LeBeau and O-Line coach Russ Grimm as well. I'm tired of the zone blocking scheme anyway. What do you think?

Discuss...

Was thinking about this the other day. You know what usually comes with coordinaters (d-coordinaters)? D-personnel that know the system! You could not pay LeBau enough!

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by Popps

There's nothing wrong with the zone blocking scheme. It's just another scheme that, when executed correctly... produces results.

Missing Lepsis hurt us, and that waste of space on the other side is a liability.

Add to that... we don't have a complete running back. Mike Bell just doesn't have enough pop, and we all know Tatum's story. We need some talent infused to that line. I even think missing Sapp hurt us a little.

We need a short-yardage back, a true bruiser in the Bettis mold, even if it's a specialist like Zach Crockett. (I've always wished we had that dude.)

Then, we need a complete running back. Nash is the closest thing we have and he's apparently a ****head.

As for the defense... I wouldn't shed a single tear of Coyer was sent packing. I'm the first to say that he needs more talent up front, but he's had 4 seasons to show something and his squads continually melt down in big games.... with today just being another example, and this wasn't even against a top flight offense.

Totally agree. Excecuting the scheme is the problem, not the scheme itself. Didn't we win a couple of SB's with the same offensive phillosphy? Only thing really that has changed is the defensive phillosophy and the teams personell.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

This O-line gets abused in pass blocking and they can't run inside the red zone. I think it's time we junk the sub-300 pound O-line guys that can only function in the zone blocking scheme.

Yea, our pass protection is for ****. But, again... missing Lepsis hurts, and how about we just get someone who's talented to play RT, no matter how much he weighs?

We also don't have a true fullback, and our RBs are mediocre at picking up rushers.

It's not always scheme, sometimes it's talent. The difference between our O and our D is that this system has proven itself, where as our current defensive scheme has not.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

This O-line gets abused in pass blocking and they can't run inside the red zone. I think it's time we junk the sub-300 pound O-line guys that can only function in the zone blocking scheme.

The problem with that is that the sub-300 guys give us huge flexibility in the run game by getting to the second level. What we need is an elite back so that we can dictate to the D. S.F. does not have any better players than us on OL, but they controlled the game because Gore had us on our heels the whole game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Popps

Yea, our pass protection is for ****. But, again... missing Lepsis hurts, and how about we just get someone who's talented to play RT, no matter how much he weighs?

We also don't have a true fullback, and our RBs are mediocre at picking up rushers.

It's not always scheme, sometimes it's talent. The difference between our O and our D is that this system has proven itself, where as our current defensive scheme has not.

Watch Nalen, Hamilton and Carlyle try to pass protect against 340 pound monsters in the middle. They get pushed back like rag dolls almost every play. Just as bad, they can't run block on the goal line at all...hence our problems today for example. Replacing Foster's a given. Who knows if Lepsis will recover sufficiently and Pears is an UFA protecting our future superstar's blind side. As for the FB...that's another problem too. I hate these dinky backs that can't block. Why can't we have a 260 pound sledgehammer that flattens people?

[Popps]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

I don't think this OL would miss a beat if it were:

LT - Lepsis
LG - Hamilton
C - Nalen
RG - Kuper
RT - Pears (Meadows?)

Yea.... still a little undersized, but we've overcome that in the past. That's a pretty talented looking line, there.

Add a true FB and a RB that can hold his own in blitz pick-up, and I think we'd be fine. But, I'm with you... if we have a chance to land a RT monster, I say we go for it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

The problem with that is that the sub-300 guys give us huge flexibility in the run game by getting to the second level. What we need is an elite back so that we can dictate to the D. S.F. does not have any better players than us on OL, but they controlled the game because Gore had us on our heels the whole game.

We don't have to play the zone blocking scheme to run the ball...but using it screws up the pass protection because these dudes are just to small to pass block....and forget runing on the goal line.

Gore was a 3rd rounder BTW...taken after D-Will. OUCH!

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

This O-line gets abused in pass blocking and they can't run inside the red zone. I think it's time we junk the sub-300 pound O-line guys that can only function in the zone blocking scheme.

How did our big 300+ ponder do today? Sorry, I don't buy this argument.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

I don't think this OL would miss a beat if it were:

LT - Lepsis
LG - Hamilton
C - Nalen
RG - Kuper
RT - Pears (Meadows?)

Lepsis will be 33 and coming off an injury, Hamilton's to small, Nalen's almost done, Kuper is an unknown at this point, and Pears is an UFA whose chief advantage is that he's not George Foster.

Neither am I though.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by yoakum3

How did our big 300+ ponder do today? Sorry, I don't buy this argument.

So your reasoning for not upgrading to a larger more physical line that can block on the goal line and protect Cutler is because Foster weighs over 300 pounds?

Kidding right?

[Sassy]

Screw the coaches...let's give them Tatum for Willie Parker

[DeusExManning]

All of the Steeler coaches are great. Very little chance of getting any.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

We don't have to play the zone blocking scheme to run the ball...but using it screws up the pass protection because these dudes are just to small to pass block....and forget runing on the goal line.

Gore was a 3rd rounder BTW...taken after D-Will. OUCH!

The zone blocking scheme is not the problem. Back when we won our Super Bowls it was the same scheme with the same style of players and we could handle goal line situations just fine.

[Kaylore]

Both their coordinators are excellent and one of them will probably be taking over the head coaching job there next year.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Sassy

Screw the coaches...let's give them Tatum for Willie Parker

And Nick Ferguson for Troy Polamalu!