Jay Cutler Takes Aim at Another NFL Record - The Orange Mane

-Slap- · 12-26-2006, 09:56 PM

As we all know, Jay broke the record shared by Dan Marino and Chuck Conerly by throwing two TDs in his first four starts as a rookie.

That put him in a tie with Mark Rypien for the most consecutive starts with at least two TDs to start an NFL career. Rypien was drafted in 1986, but spent his first two seasons stashed on injured reserve.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-26-2006, 10:16 PM

The modern sports media atmosphere has created a seemingly infinite number of useless statistics. Of which, this is one.

Cutler does look pretty darn good so far though.

-Slap- · 12-26-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

The modern sports media atmosphere has created a seemingly infinite number of useless statistics. Of which, this is one.

Cutler does look pretty darn good so far though.

Yeah, achievements which have never been accomplished in 80+ years of NFL competition are useless.

Its so commonplace for NFL quarterbacks to come right into the League and perform well.

Cito Pelon · 12-26-2006, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

As we all know, Jay broke the record shared by Dan Marino and Chuck Conerly by throwing two TDs in his first four starts as a rookie.

That put him in a tie with Mark Rypien for the most consecutive starts with at least two TDs to start an NFL career. Rypien was drafted in 1986, but spent his first two seasons stashed on injured reserve.

Here's to #6. So far, so good. The kid likes to go downfield, likes to go for the end zone and finds it. The team looks like it has a playoff spot, now it's a matter of who's gonna have the games of their lives if/when they make the playoffs - and that's been a problem with the Broncs for seven consecutive years.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-26-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Yeah, achievements which have never been accomplished in 80+ years of NFL competition are useless.
Its so commonplace for NFL quarterbacks to come right into the League and perform well.

The statistic you are looking at is basically a fantasy football statistic, which doesnt tell a whole lot about the player other than than what that means to fantasy football players who will be drafting next year.

You should know as well as anyone that the TD statistics have become glamour stats because of fantasy football. Stats that are telling about the game (yards, touches, completions, etc) have become less important to Joe Schmoe football fan. He just wants fantasy points.

Florida_Bronco · 12-26-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

The statistic you are looking at is basically a fantasy football statistic, which doesnt tell a whole lot about the player other than than what that means to fantasy football players who will be drafting next year.

You should know as well as anyone that the TD statistics have become glamour stats because of fantasy football. Stats that are telling about the game (yards, touches, completions, etc) have become less important to Joe Schmoe football fan. He just wants fantasy points.

While I disagree with you saying that this stat is useless, I will agree that I hate the impact that fantasy football has had on typical fans.

-Slap- · 12-26-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

The statistic you are looking at is basically a fantasy football statistic, which doesnt tell a whole lot about the player other than than what that means to fantasy football players who will be drafting next year.

You should know as well as anyone that the TD statistics have become glamour stats because of fantasy football. Stats that are telling about the game (yards, touches, completions, etc) have become less important to Joe Schmoe football fan. He just wants fantasy points.

Spare me the ridiculous doubletalk. I want a quarterback who can put the football in the end zone. If you think "yards, touches(?) and completions" are more important than putting points on the board, you don't understand the most rudimentary aspect of the sport.

Cito Pelon · 12-26-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Yeah, achievements which have never been accomplished in 80+ years of NFL competition are useless.

Its so commonplace for NFL quarterbacks to come right into the League and perform well.

The kid can play. But come playoffs Shanny or Coyer will f it up somehow. They may even f it up next week when SF comes to town by starting TB and DW, or trying to play a zone D. They'll play the best "practice players", and that isn't necessarily the best game-day players.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-26-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Spare me the ridiculous doubletalk. I want a quarterback who can put the football in the end zone. If you think "yards, touches(?) and completions" are more important than putting points on the board, you don't understand the most rudimentary aspect of the sport.

TD's are important, yes. I'll just leave it at that.

Taco John · 12-26-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

The modern sports media atmosphere has created a seemingly infinite number of useless statistics. Of which, this is one.

Poor, poor llama... Must be tough watching the Broncos making a playoff run. Why didn't they just listen and give up when you said that they did? How dare they challenge your authority. Well, at least you can still crap on everything good that comes their way. They can't take that from you.

youcandoit1687 · 12-26-2006, 11:41 PM

i think this record means something because first of all, it was held by dan marino, secondly, it means that jay is producing more TDs than any other rookie ever has in that amount of time. i guess this means jay is on pace to break marino's touchdown records, huh?

Clockwork Orange · 12-26-2006, 11:43 PM

How about the fact that the kid has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio through his first 4 starts? I'd say that's pretty meaningful considering that he's learning on the fly.

smalltowngrll · 12-26-2006, 11:43 PM

I guarantee you there is probably at least one statistic that no one else has done for almost anyone. Statistics are fun to play with, though. Numbers can make you believe whatever you want them to make you believe.

Don't get on my case, though...I'm not slamming Jay. Just stating the truth about our fabulous system of numbers.

clean · 12-26-2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

I will agree that I hate the impact that fantasy football has had on typical fans.

You're right. Already, there are some fans that believe touchdowns are primarily a fantasy football statistic.

Atwater His Ass · 12-26-2006, 11:51 PM

The only thing so far I'd like to see Cutler improve on is his completions. The first four games are 10, 17, 21, and 12. He's hitting at 57%. I'd like to see him hit up at 60% which will bring his number of completions up and his yardage.

Really though, he's playing quite well as we all can see. I'm just nit picking at this point.

B-Love · 12-26-2006, 11:54 PM

There is nothing artificially inflated about Jay's TD throws so far. All were needed; none were contrived.

Seattle - mid range throw to Alexander and an INCREDIBLE cath and run by Brandon Marshall

San Diego - two to Scheffler, albeit a bit lucky on one of them. But that was a mid range ball.

Arizona - two ****ing beauties!! His waggle boot deep throw to Javon may be the throw of the year and his 2nd was a sick pump and go to Rod.

Yesterday - the throw to Scheffler was needed after two failed rushing attempts from in close. And the throw to Javon was another beauty in real bad weather.

All 8 TD's were needed at their times, and not one of them was a forced stat throw.

Real bad take llama; real bad.

Atwater His Ass · 12-26-2006, 11:56 PM

He could have had 3 last week as well, if Marshall would have been able to hall it in prior to M. Bell's TD run.

ZONA · 12-27-2006, 12:16 AM

Other then the first throw of the game, not really any bone head mistakes by Cutler. He played well this last game and starting to string a few of those together. He very easily could have had 4 TD's in that game. The long one to Marshall could have been higher softer and in the endzone and the other one to Marshall should have been thrown just behind him a little more so the defensive player couldn't reach it. In time though. I think he's going to be a great QB and I hope Shanny stays coach here for 15 more years. The kid will have amazing stats by the end of it all and hopefully a handfull of SB's also.

iowa broncofan · 12-27-2006, 12:20 AM

OK, I started this post intending to say, sure, Cutler broke that record he shared with Marino and Connerly, but how many people had ever heard of Connerly before Cutler tied that rookie record? My point was going to be, how special can a record be when shared by (statistically) one of the greatest QB’s ever, and some guy we’ve never heard of. Then I did a little research. Forgive me if I sound like a moron to those of you who know more about NFL history than yours truly, but bear with me… I have a point at the end.

Connerly was no slouch, and being compared to the likes of Marino and Connerly makes the statistic a little more valuable in my eyes.

[Cue the “Power and Glory” CD. Roll the grainy, black & white footage. Somebody go find Harry Kalas.]

Wearing #46, Connerly quarterbacked the New York Giants from 1948-1961. Playing alongside NFL MVP Frank Gifford, and under offensive coordinator Vince Lombardi, Connerly led the Giants to the NFL championship game in 1956, where they routed the Chicago Bears, 47-7. Perhaps Connerly might have been remembered more if not for Johnny Unitas, whose Colts knocked the Giants off in a couple of huge games, including “The Greatest Game Ever Played,” the 1958 NFL Championship game, the first to be televised by a major TV network. Connerly was the NFL MVP in 1959, when he led them to a Championship Game rematch with the Colts, which they lost. Connerly then lost the starting job in 1961 to Y. A. Tittle. (Here’s my source, if you’re interested.)

So my point is (now), it might be a meaningless statistic. But it’s a meaningless statistic shared by two guys who turned out to be MVP quarterbacks. Oh yeah, I mean, formerly shared by two former MVPs. Now it’s owned by some really calm guy with a rocket arm named Jay Cutler. Heard of ‘im?

Taco John · 12-27-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by iowa broncofan

OK, I started this post intending to say, sure, Cutler broke that record he shared with Marino and Connerly, but how many people had ever heard of Connerly before Cutler tied that rookie record? My point was going to be, how special can a record be when shared by (statistically) one of the greatest QB’s ever, and some guy we’ve never heard of. Then I did a little research. Forgive me if I sound like a moron to those of you who know more about NFL history than yours truly, but bear with me… I have a point at the end.

Connerly was no slouch, and being compared to the likes of Marino and Connerly makes the statistic a little more valuable in my eyes.

[Cue the “Power and Glory” CD. Roll the grainy, black & white footage. Somebody go find Harry Kalas.]

Wearing #46, Connerly quarterbacked the New York Giants from 1948-1961. Playing alongside NFL MVP Frank Gifford, and under offensive coordinator Vince Lombardi, Connerly led the Giants to the NFL championship game in 1956, where they routed the Chicago Bears, 47-7. Perhaps Connerly might have been remembered more if not for Johnny Unitas, whose Colts knocked the Giants off in a couple of huge games, including “The Greatest Game Ever Played,” the 1958 NFL Championship game, the first to be televised by a major TV network. Connerly was the NFL MVP in 1959, when he led them to a Championship Game rematch with the Colts, which they lost. Connerly then lost the starting job in 1961 to Y. A. Tittle. (Here’s my source, if you’re interested.)

So my point is (now), it might be a meaningless statistic. But it’s a meaningless statistic shared by two guys who turned out to be MVP quarterbacks. Oh yeah, I mean, formerly shared by two former MVPs. Now it’s owned by some really calm guy with a rocket arm named Jay Cutler. Heard of ‘im?

This place misses you IBF. Merry Christmas old timer.

usedupbraids · 12-27-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

While I disagree with you saying that this stat is useless, I will agree that I hate the impact that fantasy football has had on typical fans.

fantasy football takes the love out the game......

iowa broncofan · 12-27-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

This place misses you IBF. Merry Christmas old timer.

Likewise, TJ. Merry Christmas. Someday, when I'm done with this PhD and have my life back, you'll see me around more.

Bronco LB 59 · 12-27-2006, 12:44 AM

How ironic that Cutler is off to same hot start Marino enjoyed. The Broncos rationale for placing Cutler in there in the first place is they compared it to the same situation surrounding the 1983 Dolphins when Marino took the reins from Dan Strock and David Woodley, both of whom had just led the Dolphins to Super Bowl XVII the year before.

listopencil · 12-27-2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by iowa broncofan

So my point is (now), it might be a meaningless statistic. But it’s a meaningless statistic shared by two guys who turned out to be MVP quarterbacks. Oh yeah, I mean, formerly shared by two former MVPs. Now it’s owned by some really calm guy with a rocket arm named Jay Cutler. Heard of ‘im?

Yep. Really good post. Cutler has gone way beyond what I expected out of him.

listopencil · 12-27-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco LB 52

How ironic that Cutler is off to same hot start Marino enjoyed. The Broncos rationale for placing Cutler in there in the first place is they compared it to the same situation surrounding the 1983 Dolphins when Marino took the reins from Dan Strock and David Woodley, both of whom had just led the Dolphins to Super Bowl XVII the year before.

Ugh. Bad comparison.

12-26-2006, 09:56 PM	#1
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Jay Cutler Takes Aim at Another NFL Record As we all know, Jay broke the record shared by Dan Marino and Chuck Conerly by throwing two TDs in his first four starts as a rookie. That put him in a tie with Mark Rypien for the most consecutive starts with at least two TDs to start an NFL career. Rypien was drafted in 1986, but spent his first two seasons stashed on injured reserve.

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12-26-2006, 10:16 PM	#2
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	The modern sports media atmosphere has created a seemingly infinite number of useless statistics. Of which, this is one. Cutler does look pretty darn good so far though.

12-26-2006, 11:41 PM	#11
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	i think this record means something because first of all, it was held by dan marino, secondly, it means that jay is producing more TDs than any other rookie ever has in that amount of time. i guess this means jay is on pace to break marino's touchdown records, huh?

12-26-2006, 11:43 PM	#12
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	How about the fact that the kid has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio through his first 4 starts? I'd say that's pretty meaningful considering that he's learning on the fly.

12-26-2006, 11:43 PM	#13
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	I guarantee you there is probably at least one statistic that no one else has done for almost anyone. Statistics are fun to play with, though. Numbers can make you believe whatever you want them to make you believe. Don't get on my case, though...I'm not slamming Jay. Just stating the truth about our fabulous system of numbers.

12-26-2006, 11:51 PM	#15
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	The only thing so far I'd like to see Cutler improve on is his completions. The first four games are 10, 17, 21, and 12. He's hitting at 57%. I'd like to see him hit up at 60% which will bring his number of completions up and his yardage. Really though, he's playing quite well as we all can see. I'm just nit picking at this point.

12-26-2006, 11:54 PM	#16
B-Love Ring of Famer They're killin me Whitey, they're killin me!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,266	There is nothing artificially inflated about Jay's TD throws so far. All were needed; none were contrived. Seattle - mid range throw to Alexander and an INCREDIBLE cath and run by Brandon Marshall San Diego - two to Scheffler, albeit a bit lucky on one of them. But that was a mid range ball. Arizona - two ****ing beauties!! His waggle boot deep throw to Javon may be the throw of the year and his 2nd was a sick pump and go to Rod. Yesterday - the throw to Scheffler was needed after two failed rushing attempts from in close. And the throw to Javon was another beauty in real bad weather. All 8 TD's were needed at their times, and not one of them was a forced stat throw. Real bad take llama; real bad.

12-26-2006, 11:56 PM	#17
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	He could have had 3 last week as well, if Marshall would have been able to hall it in prior to M. Bell's TD run.

12-27-2006, 12:16 AM	#18
ZONA Ring of Famer Liquid greatness in every packet Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,365 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Harris	Other then the first throw of the game, not really any bone head mistakes by Cutler. He played well this last game and starting to string a few of those together. He very easily could have had 4 TD's in that game. The long one to Marshall could have been higher softer and in the endzone and the other one to Marshall should have been thrown just behind him a little more so the defensive player couldn't reach it. In time though. I think he's going to be a great QB and I hope Shanny stays coach here for 15 more years. The kid will have amazing stats by the end of it all and hopefully a handfull of SB's also.

12-27-2006, 12:20 AM	#19
iowa broncofan Professor Orange Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere in Southeastern Iowa Posts: 3,330	OK, I started this post intending to say, sure, Cutler broke that record he shared with Marino and Connerly, but how many people had ever heard of Connerly before Cutler tied that rookie record? My point was going to be, how special can a record be when shared by (statistically) one of the greatest QB’s ever, and some guy we’ve never heard of. Then I did a little research. Forgive me if I sound like a moron to those of you who know more about NFL history than yours truly, but bear with me… I have a point at the end. Connerly was no slouch, and being compared to the likes of Marino and Connerly makes the statistic a little more valuable in my eyes. [Cue the “Power and Glory” CD. Roll the grainy, black & white footage. Somebody go find Harry Kalas.] Wearing #46, Connerly quarterbacked the New York Giants from 1948-1961. Playing alongside NFL MVP Frank Gifford, and under offensive coordinator Vince Lombardi, Connerly led the Giants to the NFL championship game in 1956, where they routed the Chicago Bears, 47-7. Perhaps Connerly might have been remembered more if not for Johnny Unitas, whose Colts knocked the Giants off in a couple of huge games, including “The Greatest Game Ever Played,” the 1958 NFL Championship game, the first to be televised by a major TV network. Connerly was the NFL MVP in 1959, when he led them to a Championship Game rematch with the Colts, which they lost. Connerly then lost the starting job in 1961 to Y. A. Tittle. (Here’s my source, if you’re interested.) So my point is (now), it might be a meaningless statistic. But it’s a meaningless statistic shared by two guys who turned out to be MVP quarterbacks. Oh yeah, I mean, formerly shared by two former MVPs. Now it’s owned by some really calm guy with a rocket arm named Jay Cutler. Heard of ‘im?

12-27-2006, 12:44 AM	#23
Bronco LB 59 Ring of Famer Keep your head up dog Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Leucadia CA Posts: 6,068	How ironic that Cutler is off to same hot start Marino enjoyed. The Broncos rationale for placing Cutler in there in the first place is they compared it to the same situation surrounding the 1983 Dolphins when Marino took the reins from Dan Strock and David Woodley, both of whom had just led the Dolphins to Super Bowl XVII the year before.