Has Alfred Williams Lost it? - The Orange Mane

bloodsunday · 12-11-2006, 03:25 PM

For those of you in Denver. Alfred Williams is going off on 950 KOA right now.

His points so far:
1) The West Coast offense is out-dated.
2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense)
3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs)
4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates
5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster.
6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan
7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone
8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating
9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

Paladin · 12-11-2006, 03:27 PM

Well, he certainly has the right to his opinions..... (heh, heh).

Garcia Bronco · 12-11-2006, 03:29 PM

I agree with much of that. I think the QB change was justified, and there is a confidence problem IMO.

Clockwork Orange · 12-11-2006, 03:30 PM

Alfred Williams is, as always, doing all he can to take any responsibility off of the players themselves. That's been his schtick since 950 somehow decided that he and Scott Hayseed needed their own radio show.

broncsyanks · 12-11-2006, 03:31 PM

i can almost see his points on most of them

theAPAOps5 · 12-11-2006, 03:31 PM

I agree some with him. He is a radio personality now and he has to spin and say controversial stuff to stike conversation and draw listeners. Thats what talk radio is all about.

bloodsunday · 12-11-2006, 03:31 PM

He is basically throwing the entire coaching staff under the bus, Shanahan included.

He says that good coaches make do with what talent they have. I fail to see how we haven't done that consdering the whole world laughed when we signed Plummer.

And to suggest that the west coast offense is outdated? Ouch.

I think he is a fan (like the rest of us) and just lashing out at that embarrassing loss.

DeusExManning · 12-11-2006, 03:34 PM

I agree with everything except starting Jay Cutler. That move has proven to be the best in a desperate situation to begin with. We will still win the next 3 games though. We will make the playoffs and we will go to the super bow. As long as I am a Bronco fan (the rest of my life) I will always believe this. I learned this by watching the Broncos. Anything is possible. I have seen the greatest comebacks and the greatest miracles.

Paladin · 12-11-2006, 03:35 PM

OR..........

He could be right!!!!!

watermock · 12-11-2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

For those of you in Denver. Alfred Williams is going off on 950 KOA right now.

His points so far:
1) The West Coast offense is out-dated.
2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense)
3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs)
4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates
5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster.
6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan
7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone
8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating
9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

If you want to see out dated, try Oakland's offense.

I saw blitizing late, didn't seem to help.

Agree, why was Fox on Gates?

The New Orleans argument is so idiotic it's comical. They have three potential probowlers on offense alone dimwit, Deuce, Brees and Bush.

He can have his opinion on starting Jay.

The rest are just idiotic.

Mountain Bronco · 12-11-2006, 03:39 PM

Alfred and Joe Williams make me not want to listen to 950 in the afternoons. They don't listen to logic. Alfred is not that bright to begin with, he actually makes Scott sound smart. He went to CU, that should tell you all you need to know.

Mountain Bronco · 12-11-2006, 03:45 PM

His points so far:
1) The West Coast offense is out-dated.

Not true, there are lots of veriations, plus Shanny's offense is not pure west cost.

2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense)

DLine

3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs)
4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates
5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster.
6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan
7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone
8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating
9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

Mountain Bronco · 12-11-2006, 03:50 PM

His points so far:
1) The West Coast offense is out-dated.

Not true, there are lots of veriations, plus Shanny's offense is not pure west cost.

2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense)

DLine is awefull, no pass rush, secondary is suspect especially with injuries.
OLine is suspect, again with injuries, which alfred conveniently forgets

3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs)
Some calls are weak, but DWilliams is simply not making plays nor is the DLine. Can't simply blame coaches

4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates
Atwater was never a speed cover saftey, so that argument is irrelevant

5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster.
Better QB, and far more offensive weapons (Horn, Colson, Duece, Bush etc...) plus they play in NFC

6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan
Not winning with Jake, so change had to be made even if this season is lost

7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone
Not sure about this one, could be a possibility

8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating
What is a Shanahan team? other than the Elway era, Shanahan's teams have been above average, but nothing spectacular which is exactlywhat this team is, so I say they are playing like a Shanahan team

9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

Agreed, if you are going for it on 4th, you should run the ball on 3rd and short.

Northman · 12-11-2006, 03:54 PM

I totally believe this team has no confidence. That is evident.

bloodsunday · 12-11-2006, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Bronco

8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating
What is a Shanahan team? other than the Elway era, Shanahan's teams have been above average, but nothing spectacular which is exactlywhat this team is, so I say they are playing like a Shanahan team

Ahh, a not so popular observation. Was last year's team the exception or the rule? Since Elway (8 years now), we have had:
4 Playoff appearances (5 if we make this year)
1 Division title
1 Playoff win

but the bar is still the Super Bowl?

B-Love · 12-11-2006, 04:09 PM

I completely agree that our Offense was outdated with Jake at QB.

We didn't "Waggle Boot" once yesterday so it is obvious we are trying some new stuff with Jay.

Even though we got crushed, it was great to see balls thrown to the Intermediate middle.

I got so sick of "1st Dwn Stretch Run, 2nd down Slant Throw, 3rd Down Waggle Boot". Everyone has been waiting for it. It was outdated folks. Anyone who doesn't think we needed a new set of plays/reads is foolish.

wolf754life · 12-11-2006, 04:10 PM

nick ferguson defending darrent williams, very funny! NOT

Cito Pelon · 12-11-2006, 04:15 PM

Well, the slants haven't worked worth a darn for a long time.

Kaylore · 12-11-2006, 04:18 PM

We just need to win some games. I can't remember who said it, but there's a quote about it. "Winning is like deodorant: it hides a lot of stink." When you lose, suddenly fans think everything to coaching staff did was terrible and the players all suck. Just as stupid is the notion that if you win everything the staff did was perfect and the players are all the best in the league.

Taco John · 12-11-2006, 04:28 PM

Alfred Williams says were getting better production off of the d-line this year. Says we need another defensive tackle. Said we need to replicate the Jumpy Geathers/MDP combo that we had before. So when pressed, he'll say that it's a problem with the talent. He didn't name names though.

I agree with him though. Warren needs a partner in crime.

bronco militia · 12-11-2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

Alfred Williams says were getting better production off of the d-line this year. Says we need another defensive tackle. Said we need to replicate the Jumpy Geathers/MDP combo that we had before. So when pressed, he'll say that it's a problem with the talent. He didn't name names though.

I agree with him though. Warren needs a partner in crime.

uh, he needs a couple or three

Taco John · 12-11-2006, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco militia

uh, he needs a couple or three

Agreed. But I believe even one earth mover out there teamed up with Warren would make an impact.

Popps · 12-11-2006, 04:42 PM

Yea, I'm looking at his list and can't find much fault with it.

Interesting that one of our recent and best defensive players thinks our current defensive players aren't being used properly.

baja · 12-11-2006, 04:46 PM

Meanwhile Pryce is having a pro bowl year.....

Taco John · 12-11-2006, 04:48 PM

Nick Ferguson defending the defensive playcalling. Now he's complaining about the league rules, saying they legislated the Bump and Run out of the game.

12-11-2006, 03:25 PM	#1
bloodsunday Ring of Famer Nothing lasts forever. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dove Valley Posts: 5,839 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Has Alfred Williams Lost it? For those of you in Denver. Alfred Williams is going off on 950 KOA right now. His points so far: 1) The West Coast offense is out-dated. 2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense) 3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs) 4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates 5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster. 6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan 7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone 8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating 9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

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12-11-2006, 03:27 PM	#2
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	Well, he certainly has the right to his opinions..... (heh, heh).

12-11-2006, 03:29 PM	#3
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	I agree with much of that. I think the QB change was justified, and there is a confidence problem IMO.

12-11-2006, 03:30 PM	#4
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Alfred Williams is, as always, doing all he can to take any responsibility off of the players themselves. That's been his schtick since 950 somehow decided that he and Scott Hayseed needed their own radio show.

12-11-2006, 03:31 PM	#5
broncsyanks Broncos kick a$$!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nyc, NY Posts: 917	i can almost see his points on most of them

12-11-2006, 03:31 PM	#6
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	I agree some with him. He is a radio personality now and he has to spin and say controversial stuff to stike conversation and draw listeners. Thats what talk radio is all about.

12-11-2006, 03:34 PM	#8
DeusExManning Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 1,336	I agree with everything except starting Jay Cutler. That move has proven to be the best in a desperate situation to begin with. We will still win the next 3 games though. We will make the playoffs and we will go to the super bow. As long as I am a Bronco fan (the rest of my life) I will always believe this. I learned this by watching the Broncos. Anything is possible. I have seen the greatest comebacks and the greatest miracles.

12-11-2006, 03:35 PM	#9
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	OR.......... He could be right!!!!!

12-11-2006, 03:39 PM	#11
Mountain Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Mountains Posts: 1,446	Alfred and Joe Williams make me not want to listen to 950 in the afternoons. They don't listen to logic. Alfred is not that bright to begin with, he actually makes Scott sound smart. He went to CU, that should tell you all you need to know.

12-11-2006, 03:45 PM	#12
Mountain Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Mountains Posts: 1,446	His points so far: 1) The West Coast offense is out-dated. Not true, there are lots of veriations, plus Shanny's offense is not pure west cost. 2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense) DLine 3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs) 4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates 5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster. 6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan 7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone 8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating 9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday

12-11-2006, 03:50 PM	#13
Mountain Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Mountains Posts: 1,446	His points so far: 1) The West Coast offense is out-dated. Not true, there are lots of veriations, plus Shanny's offense is not pure west cost. 2) Denver's players are good enough to win (on offense and defense) DLine is awefull, no pass rush, secondary is suspect especially with injuries. OLine is suspect, again with injuries, which alfred conveniently forgets 3) Coaches aren't putting players into positions to win (for example the LBs) Some calls are weak, but DWilliams is simply not making plays nor is the DLine. Can't simply blame coaches 4) As good as Atwater was they would never have put him one on one with Gates Atwater was never a speed cover saftey, so that argument is irrelevant 5) He suggested that if Payton can win in New Orleans, there is no reason that Denver can't win with its current roster. Better QB, and far more offensive weapons (Horn, Colson, Duece, Bush etc...) plus they play in NFC 6) Playing a rookie in this situation was a bad move by Shanahan Not winning with Jake, so change had to be made even if this season is lost 7) He thinks this team has a confidence problem, doesn't think they believe they can line up and beat anyone Not sure about this one, could be a possibility 8) They are not playing the way a Shanahan team normally plays and its frustrating What is a Shanahan team? other than the Elway era, Shanahan's teams have been above average, but nothing spectacular which is exactlywhat this team is, so I say they are playing like a Shanahan team 9) Denver screwed up not running the ball on 3rd and 2 yesterday Agreed, if you are going for it on 4th, you should run the ball on 3rd and short.

12-11-2006, 03:54 PM	#14
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	I totally believe this team has no confidence. That is evident.

12-11-2006, 04:09 PM	#16
B-Love Ring of Famer They're killin me Whitey, they're killin me!! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,266	I completely agree that our Offense was outdated with Jake at QB. We didn't "Waggle Boot" once yesterday so it is obvious we are trying some new stuff with Jay. Even though we got crushed, it was great to see balls thrown to the Intermediate middle. I got so sick of "1st Dwn Stretch Run, 2nd down Slant Throw, 3rd Down Waggle Boot". Everyone has been waiting for it. It was outdated folks. Anyone who doesn't think we needed a new set of plays/reads is foolish.

12-11-2006, 04:10 PM	#17
wolf754life Bleed Orange and Blue more scoring + more tackling = $$$ Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,776	nick ferguson defending darrent williams, very funny! NOT

12-11-2006, 04:15 PM	#18
Cito Pelon Attack at all times . . . Happy dog at the Divide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AFC West Championshipville Posts: 15,209 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	Well, the slants haven't worked worth a darn for a long time.

12-11-2006, 04:18 PM	#19
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,074 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	We just need to win some games. I can't remember who said it, but there's a quote about it. "Winning is like deodorant: it hides a lot of stink." When you lose, suddenly fans think everything to coaching staff did was terrible and the players all suck. Just as stupid is the notion that if you win everything the staff did was perfect and the players are all the best in the league.

12-11-2006, 04:28 PM	#20
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Alfred Williams says were getting better production off of the d-line this year. Says we need another defensive tackle. Said we need to replicate the Jumpy Geathers/MDP combo that we had before. So when pressed, he'll say that it's a problem with the talent. He didn't name names though. I agree with him though. Warren needs a partner in crime.

12-11-2006, 04:42 PM	#23
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,786	Yea, I'm looking at his list and can't find much fault with it. Interesting that one of our recent and best defensive players thinks our current defensive players aren't being used properly.

12-11-2006, 04:46 PM	#24
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Meanwhile Pryce is having a pro bowl year.....

12-11-2006, 04:48 PM	#25
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,708 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Nick Ferguson defending the defensive playcalling. Now he's complaining about the league rules, saying they legislated the Bump and Run out of the game.