Offense is fine. Defense needs work. - The Orange Mane

Willynowei · 12-11-2006, 12:19 AM

The minority here who game after game talked about improving the defense when we were only giving up 7-10 points per game, had a point. Well the cracks were there, and the flood was about to brake the Dam. Its obvious this season we need to shore up that D-line i hope something gets done.

Offense is fine. NO changes. Last thing we need is changes, the offense is struggly directly due to changes. I hate changes on offense, offense is about stability and getting guys that can gel. Same O-line, same guys. i want to see Cutler adjust for throwing lanes better so Shanny doesn't have to use the shotgun. Thats about it. Those passes are being batted down because he's been too predictable on his drops. Jake had a lower release point, made up for it with moving to an open pass lane. As soon as Cutler catches on, we'll be fine. We just need time there.

Defense has the same issue as always. Lets address the D-line with money next year. I hope we get rid of Ian Gold. I think he's a great linebacker. But i think 2 is enough and he has about 3-4 million on him. we open that up plus after that pathetic season by warren.... he needs to get scraped along with his stupid salary.

Overall, if anyone wants to blame the corners, take a look at all the corners we've scraped from Herndon to O'neal who are mediocre but not bad starters on other teams right now. We need Linemen, and then if Darrent still struggles, we scrap him along with foxworth. But before then, i support our corners, because how can you ask them to play with that crap passrush?

Anyways, this was a game to throw down the toilet. It didn't mean a thing. Guys weren't playing hard so you can't say we need new players everywhere. The fact is, we need a new d-line and thats it. Nothings changed since the preseason this year, unaddressed D-line....

Taco John · 12-11-2006, 12:25 AM

Pretty much. I like our team except for two parts: we need to upgrade our D-Line and we need a Lorenzo Neal type fullback.

footstepsfrom#27 · 12-11-2006, 12:30 AM

The offensive line needs a major infusion of talent and size at 3 positions...they can't pass block worth a crap and get owned against big interior lines and 3-4 defenses most of the time. I'm tired of watching our QB duck for cover 2 seconds after he gets the snap. We need some mashers inside who can still run and get to the 2nd level. Mostly you find those guys high in the draft instead of the 5th round though...which means O-line is a draft priority along with D-line and safety.

LG- Hamilton is to small to pass block effectively
C- Nalen's about done
RT- Foster sucks and Pears is marginal right now.

LT- Lepsis' return is key
RG- Kuper looks like the answer

Finger Roll · 12-11-2006, 12:30 AM

you're right Warren has sucked serious ass this year. Fire Coyer switch to a 3-4 move up to draft a stud de/lb pass rusher. Get a safety who can help out in coverage for once and make a tackle unlike Foxworth. I sure do miss Braxton. Send Darrent williams to NFL Europe

I think if we got a real punter if would do wonders for the d also. Stop giving the other team great field position to start every drive. Any great Punters in this years draft?

epicSocialism4tw · 12-11-2006, 12:38 AM

Priorities:

1. every-down DE (who can pass rush)
2. every-down DT (who can get upfield regularly)
3. RT
4. G
5. RB
6. S

ton80 · 12-11-2006, 12:42 AM

I agree with your general sentiment. l think Warren is playing hurt and has no other help, so i'm giving him some slack. DWilliams has been burnt badly, but I'm not willing to give up on the guy, no way, not even a remote thought. The Broncos need to target a DT and a DE in this upcoming draft and do what it takes to land 'em, especially with their first round pick. No excuses. I'd like them to move way up the board to get the best d-linemen in the draft. Dangle whatever it takes to get it done Shanny.

Our offense is basically set, but I would like the Broncos to draft a tackle to develop for the future or maybe spend some money in free agency.

Lev Vyvanse · 12-11-2006, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finger Roll

switch to a 3-4

The 3-4 is a gimmick defense. It is on the upswing right now but when teams start seeing it every other game it will become a weakness. I have been watching football 20 years and during the last cycle I remember teams that were running the 3-4 turned to ****.

Rascal · 12-11-2006, 12:53 AM

We can't switch to a 3-4 so forget about it. We would have to replace at least two LB's and our entire defensive line. As is we have two d-lineman to replace.

Finger Roll · 12-11-2006, 12:56 AM

yeah because the 4-3 defense has worked so well for us the last 10 years. The Broncos always play great d against good offenses

Popps · 12-11-2006, 01:00 AM

This team has had gaping holes for years. That shimmery object called the QB has just distracted a lot of folks from either recognizing them or admitting them.

They've finally become so glaring that even the best spinners around here are talking about them.

Rascal · 12-11-2006, 01:01 AM

People here want the 3-4 just because of what teams have done against Indy. Well the Jags are 4-3 and did pretty damn well today and have done so in the past.

We get a good d-line, hell even a decent d-line would be a big upgrade, and I think our defense improves by just as much.

Finger Roll · 12-11-2006, 01:04 AM

The Jags play well against them because they have the best Defensive Tackle Combo in the league by far. The only team that can play 4-3 well against the colts.

ward63 · 12-11-2006, 01:07 AM

I'll take ALAN BRANCH! The man is huge and can move.

epicSocialism4tw · 12-11-2006, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popps

This team has had gaping holes for years. That shimmery object called the QB has just distracted a lot of folks from either recognizing them or admitting them.

They've finally become so glaring that even the best spinners around here are talking about them.

There are no more excuses. It is obvious.

Lev Vyvanse · 12-11-2006, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finger Roll

yeah because the 4-3 defense has worked so well for us the last 10 years. The Broncos always play great d against good offenses

2004 #4
2003 #3
2002 #5
2001 #9

Bet you can't guess what these numbers mean.

Finger Roll · 12-11-2006, 01:10 AM

yes and how did the defense play in the postseason against the Colts and the Steelers? Oh yeah, they didn't show up I forgot. They pad their stats against crappy o's and do nothing against the big boy's.

Finger Roll · 12-11-2006, 01:11 AM

Kind of like a hitter in baseball who pads his stats against the crappy pitchers and does nothing against good pitchers. LIke ARod for example.

Lev Vyvanse · 12-11-2006, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finger Roll

yes and how did the defense play in the postseason against the Colts and the Steelers? Oh yeah, they didn't show up I forgot. They pad their stats against crappy o's and do nothing against the big boy's.

And the 3-4 will do what?

-Slap- · 12-11-2006, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rascal

People here want the 3-4 just because of what teams have done against Indy. Well the Jags are 4-3 and did pretty damn well today and have done so in the past.

We get a good d-line, hell even a decent d-line would be a big upgrade, and I think our defense improves by just as much.

People want the 3-4 for more reasons than Indy. One reason is because its just easier to generate a pass rush quickly from that scheme. Partially because the 3-4 allows for much more creative blitz packages. Partially because you find DE/LB tweeners who can rush the QB a lot easier than you can find bona fide stud defensive ends who can rush the QB from the 4-3.

Personally, I like the 4-3, but I also admire the large linebacker 3-4 scheme Belicheck employs. Its a physical versatile defense that plays the run and pass with equal effectiveness.

Taco John · 12-11-2006, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popps

This team has had gaping holes for years. That shimmery object called the QB has just distracted a lot of folks from either recognizing them or admitting them.

You're talking about this guy, right?

-Slap- · 12-11-2006, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finger Roll

yes and how did the defense play in the postseason against the Colts and the Steelers? Oh yeah, they didn't show up I forgot. They pad their stats against crappy o's and do nothing against the big boy's.

It will be interesting to see how our defense plays when they're not carrying some pathetic mook who can't even get his team on the scoreboard in the first half of a playoff game.

We dumped the dumbass loser quarterback, but the dumbass loser fans who make excuses for him are still wandering around looking for a clue.

Rascal · 12-11-2006, 01:22 AM

If we get a legit DE and DT I think this defense would be dramatically improved.

Plus if we can get a legit SLB and move DJ back to WLB I think that will help a lot.

watermock · 12-11-2006, 01:23 AM

Your right Popps...noone else has seen the holes.

As far as the 3-4 goes, we don't have the personnel to run it.

Popps · 12-11-2006, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

You're talking about this guy, right?

No, I was talking about our defense that gives up 30-50 points any time we face a team with an offense better than your average college team.

But, hey... I'm glad you're on board with us needing D-line help. I see that's your new kick. Welcome aboard that train. It's been running for about 10 years.

As I've said, it's nice to have the QB distraction out of the way so this team and its fans can maybe (god forbid) look at some of these other issues, like why we just get blown out of the water by decent offenses.

We gave up almost 50 ****ing points today.

No Jake Plummer excuse.

This defense absolutely caves in big games.

watermock · 12-11-2006, 01:24 AM

The problem is on the DL.

12-11-2006, 12:19 AM	#1
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	Offense is fine. Defense needs work. The minority here who game after game talked about improving the defense when we were only giving up 7-10 points per game, had a point. Well the cracks were there, and the flood was about to brake the Dam. Its obvious this season we need to shore up that D-line i hope something gets done. Offense is fine. NO changes. Last thing we need is changes, the offense is struggly directly due to changes. I hate changes on offense, offense is about stability and getting guys that can gel. Same O-line, same guys. i want to see Cutler adjust for throwing lanes better so Shanny doesn't have to use the shotgun. Thats about it. Those passes are being batted down because he's been too predictable on his drops. Jake had a lower release point, made up for it with moving to an open pass lane. As soon as Cutler catches on, we'll be fine. We just need time there. Defense has the same issue as always. Lets address the D-line with money next year. I hope we get rid of Ian Gold. I think he's a great linebacker. But i think 2 is enough and he has about 3-4 million on him. we open that up plus after that pathetic season by warren.... he needs to get scraped along with his stupid salary. Overall, if anyone wants to blame the corners, take a look at all the corners we've scraped from Herndon to O'neal who are mediocre but not bad starters on other teams right now. We need Linemen, and then if Darrent still struggles, we scrap him along with foxworth. But before then, i support our corners, because how can you ask them to play with that crap passrush? Anyways, this was a game to throw down the toilet. It didn't mean a thing. Guys weren't playing hard so you can't say we need new players everywhere. The fact is, we need a new d-line and thats it. Nothings changed since the preseason this year, unaddressed D-line....

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12-11-2006, 12:25 AM	#2
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Pretty much. I like our team except for two parts: we need to upgrade our D-Line and we need a Lorenzo Neal type fullback.

12-11-2006, 12:30 AM	#3
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	The offensive line needs a major infusion of talent and size at 3 positions...they can't pass block worth a crap and get owned against big interior lines and 3-4 defenses most of the time. I'm tired of watching our QB duck for cover 2 seconds after he gets the snap. We need some mashers inside who can still run and get to the 2nd level. Mostly you find those guys high in the draft instead of the 5th round though...which means O-line is a draft priority along with D-line and safety. LG- Hamilton is to small to pass block effectively C- Nalen's about done RT- Foster sucks and Pears is marginal right now. LT- Lepsis' return is key RG- Kuper looks like the answer

12-11-2006, 12:30 AM	#4
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	you're right Warren has sucked serious ass this year. Fire Coyer switch to a 3-4 move up to draft a stud de/lb pass rusher. Get a safety who can help out in coverage for once and make a tackle unlike Foxworth. I sure do miss Braxton. Send Darrent williams to NFL Europe I think if we got a real punter if would do wonders for the d also. Stop giving the other team great field position to start every drive. Any great Punters in this years draft?

12-11-2006, 12:38 AM	#5
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Priorities: 1. every-down DE (who can pass rush) 2. every-down DT (who can get upfield regularly) 3. RT 4. G 5. RB 6. S

12-11-2006, 12:42 AM	#6
ton80 Seasoned Veteran Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 263	I agree with your general sentiment. l think Warren is playing hurt and has no other help, so i'm giving him some slack. DWilliams has been burnt badly, but I'm not willing to give up on the guy, no way, not even a remote thought. The Broncos need to target a DT and a DE in this upcoming draft and do what it takes to land 'em, especially with their first round pick. No excuses. I'd like them to move way up the board to get the best d-linemen in the draft. Dangle whatever it takes to get it done Shanny. Our offense is basically set, but I would like the Broncos to draft a tackle to develop for the future or maybe spend some money in free agency.

12-11-2006, 12:53 AM	#8
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	We can't switch to a 3-4 so forget about it. We would have to replace at least two LB's and our entire defensive line. As is we have two d-lineman to replace.

12-11-2006, 12:56 AM	#9
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	yeah because the 4-3 defense has worked so well for us the last 10 years. The Broncos always play great d against good offenses

12-11-2006, 01:00 AM	#10
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	This team has had gaping holes for years. That shimmery object called the QB has just distracted a lot of folks from either recognizing them or admitting them. They've finally become so glaring that even the best spinners around here are talking about them.

12-11-2006, 01:01 AM	#11
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	People here want the 3-4 just because of what teams have done against Indy. Well the Jags are 4-3 and did pretty damn well today and have done so in the past. We get a good d-line, hell even a decent d-line would be a big upgrade, and I think our defense improves by just as much.

12-11-2006, 01:04 AM	#12
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	The Jags play well against them because they have the best Defensive Tackle Combo in the league by far. The only team that can play 4-3 well against the colts.

12-11-2006, 01:07 AM	#13
ward63 The Burner Returner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,160 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quincy Morgan	I'll take ALAN BRANCH! The man is huge and can move.

12-11-2006, 01:10 AM	#16
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	yes and how did the defense play in the postseason against the Colts and the Steelers? Oh yeah, they didn't show up I forgot. They pad their stats against crappy o's and do nothing against the big boy's.

12-11-2006, 01:11 AM	#17
Finger Roll Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,321	Kind of like a hitter in baseball who pads his stats against the crappy pitchers and does nothing against good pitchers. LIke ARod for example.

12-11-2006, 01:22 AM	#22
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	If we get a legit DE and DT I think this defense would be dramatically improved. Plus if we can get a legit SLB and move DJ back to WLB I think that will help a lot.

12-11-2006, 01:23 AM	#23
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Your right Popps...noone else has seen the holes. As far as the 3-4 goes, we don't have the personnel to run it.

12-11-2006, 01:24 AM	#25
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	The problem is on the DL.