Courtney Brown?

[broncosteven]

Anyone think we will ever see China Brown play next year or is Denver just going on assumption that he is not going to be on field or just role player?

If he does not go down we have a decent DE that can rush passer.

[bloodsunday]

Actually Brown is a good run stopping DE, not a great pass rusher.

[maven]

Cut him. Move on.

[Sodak]

He's done. His knees are shot. Microfracture surgery is the kiss of death. We need to move on.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by Sodak

He's done. His knees are shot. Microfracture surgery is the kiss of death. We need to move on.

Lepsis had microfracture surgery to help his ACL heal. Does that mean he is done?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...196340,00.html

LEPSIS ON THE MEND: Left tackle Matt Lepsis needed microfracture surgery when he went under the knife Nov. 7 to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, an even more serious procedure than just repairing the ACL. He'll remain on crutches for about two more weeks before he can begin any weight-bearing exercises.

A microfracture procedure is when small holes are drilled into the bone to cause some bleeding and create substitute cartilage.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Lepsis had microfracture surgery to help his ACL heal. Does that mean he is done?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...196340,00.html

LEPSIS ON THE MEND: Left tackle Matt Lepsis needed microfracture surgery when he went under the knife Nov. 7 to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, an even more serious procedure than just repairing the ACL. He'll remain on crutches for about two more weeks before he can begin any weight-bearing exercises.

A microfracture procedure is when small holes are drilled into the bone to cause some bleeding and create substitute cartilage.

I say move on with Lepsis, I love what he has done here & the fact he has worked his ass off but Pears has played well for a Rook & is bigger. The Oline needs to get bigger.

[Rascal]

You are an idiot if you say to move on past Lepsis. He is our best lineman and will be next year as well. Lepsis had microfracture surgery on his left knee several years ago and was playing just fine, I expect him to make a similar recovery to his right knee.

Regarding Brown, if we can resign him to a better deal then sure. I think him and Ekuban would do a good job at ONE DE position next year.

[Dudeskey]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Actually Brown is a good run stopping DE, not a great pass rusher.

**** him, thats one experiment that failed, keep it movin'

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by Rascal

You are an idiot if you say to move on past Lepsis. He is our best lineman and will be next year as well. Lepsis had microfracture surgery on his left knee several years ago and was playing just fine, I expect him to make a similar recovery to his right knee.

Regarding Brown, if we can resign him to a better deal then sure. I think him and Ekuban would do a good job at ONE DE position next year.

How old is Lepsis? 32? 33 next year? What is his cap #? I think he hustles but gets owned on speed guys.

[Barry Ramey]

Brown is done IMO.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Courtney makes nothing, he's only cut if he physically can't play anymore or gets beat out in camp.

[Killericon]

If Brown will come back for under a 3/4 of a million for a year, why the hell not? At the very least, he's a good rotational guy.

[Sodak]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Lepsis had microfracture surgery to help his ACL heal. Does that mean he is done?

If the cartilage in the knee is that bad I'd say his chances of a full recovery are slim. That's just my opinon, I could be wrong. Every time I hear of microfracture, it seems a player is ending his career.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Sodak

Every time I hear of microfracture, it seems a player is ending his career.

Probably because their careers are over if they don't take the chance on microfracture. It's the surgery of last resort.

[orinjkrush]

keep working his deal down. or let him go and use the money elsewhere.

[Sodak]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Probably because their careers are over if they don't take the chance on microfracture. It's the surgery of last resort.

Exactly. It's not a good sign.

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Sodak

If the cartilage in the knee is that bad I'd say his chances of a full recovery are slim. That's just my opinon, I could be wrong. Every time I hear of microfracture, it seems a player is ending his career.

Actually people around here must be thinking of Terrell Davis when they say that .... microfracture surgery is very safe and very successful 99% of the time.

If there is too much bone-on-bone in a joint, to little cartilage left, they drill tiny (micro) fractures (holes) into the bones so small amounts of marrow and blood can ooze out and scab over, substituting for cartilage. They do it all the time, I think even Javon Walker had it done. Obviously Terrell Davis was a bad advertisement for the procedure, but it's not some kind of death knell for a career or anything.

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[BroncoBuff]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfracture_surgery

[watermock]

Sorry, Buffy, but when did you hear a doc say that a knee operation "wasn't" successful?

I don't know where you got the 99% success stat except from a dark place between your legs. It's how you define success...it's more like 75% There also is an issue of how well the player comes back, even if it's concidered a "success". This isn't Joe 6-pack we are talking about who might be able to jog again.

The good doctor probably knows more about it (Broncostein) altho I think he drills holes in skulls. J/K doc. To my understanding, this is done after the menscus cartilage is torn and removed and your down to bone on bone. Torn cartilage can be worse than just an ACL. ACL injuries vary greatly with their severity depending on how much cartilage damage there is. Sounds like Lepsis had enough for the microfracture. The idiea is to drill holes into the marrow and hope it creates enough scar tissue to create a cushion, but it never replaces natural tissue. The fact this will be his second is even more alarming.

Like Barbaro, you make one hoof weak, you might rely too much the other. I love players like Lepsis and Nalen...but their shelf life is about over. Playing LT against the Roidinator isn't an easy task...

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/DEN

This team has 17 players with injury crosses there, and that doesn't include the people that have gone on IR. They don't even list Elam, Tater and others knicked up.

This team has injury issues. It's not really surprising I rolled into a fetal position altho I didn't plan on sleeping till 11 PM,,,I couldn't handle it it was so ugly.

Asking Pears to handle Merriman was a complete joke, but that's the card we had at that position. The Roidinator flicked him off like a flea.

I think it's Marty's year...first sweep of Denver since '82...he's earning it.

I didn't hear about MASH units out there like last week at least. This team is in need of an offseason and well...I'm not throwing in the towel, but giving up 48 isn't going to get it done.

[watermock]

Actually, sometimes you DO have to drill holes in skulls in brain bleeding but that's another issue. Serious Stuff.

[BroncoBuff]

Yeah, 99% was just to make a point. Here from the wiki entry:

Current studies have shown a success rate of 75 to 80 percent among patients 45 years of age or younger, even among professional athletes.^[3][5] With the help of physical therapy, patients can often return to sports (or other intense activities) in about 4 months. However, this is a best-case scenario and depends on the severity of the cartilage damage (and any other conditions existing in the knee). Normal patients and professional athletes who play at the highest level however are quite different, as Chris Webber, who underwent the surgery, has stated that a full recovery in 4 months is nearly impossible. Webber returned to the NBA eight months after his surgery but did not feel "like himself" until a few years later.^[7]

75-80% is a pretty good rate, though as it says the recovery time is longer to regain athletic shape.

[watermock]

What was the point then? All you made was an assertion as fact and I had to call you on it.

Another thing...geting back to elite athletic status isn't like Joe-6 pack being able to jog again. There are mental issues, conditioning issues, and frankly, the fact that you will never have the real cushioning the meniscus provided from God.

Success from a doctor means you don't die...success from a team means you can return to form. That lowers it to no better than 50/50.

[Barry Ramey]

If this was Brown's first knee injury requiring surgery, I'd say he'd have a good chance of coming back. But he's had knee problems since being in the NFL. And he really isn't much of a pass rusher when healthy, so he doesn't provide what this team needs anyway.

[OrangeShadow]

hes not making a lot of money so its not a big risk.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Courtney makes nothing, he's only cut if he physically can't play anymore or gets beat out in camp.

Honestly, If I am GM I am looking more at what a player brings vs what he makes. If Brown doesn't bring something more then a scrub after his injury he is just taking up space.