so what WILL happen in iraq - The Orange Mane

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 04:07 AM

give as full an answer as u like. oh and dont be biased, no 'I'm gna be optimistic so I'll say this.'

Bronco Bob · 12-08-2006, 04:18 AM

The troops will start being pulled out next year. They'll leave a token advisor
force in, but they probably won't accomplish much. Eventually the Iraqis
will break up along ethnic and religious lines similar to what happened in
Yugoslavia. But not before a massive slaughter. The remaining states
will eventually become puppets of Iran and Syria, which will be the
dominent powers in the middle east. And the US will have
moved on to other things, similar to what happened after Vietnam,
and with the US a weaker and less influential country. China will
assume the role of the Super Power to deal with by the middle
of the century.

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

The troops will start being pulled out next year. They'll leave a token advisor
force in, but they probably won't accomplish much. Eventually the Iraqis
will break up along ethnic and religious lines similar to what happened in
Yugoslavia. But not before a massive slaughter. The remaining states
will eventually become puppets of Iran and Syria, which will be the
dominent powers in the middle east. And the US will have
moved on to other things, similar to what happened after Vietnam,
and with the US a weaker and less influential country. China will
assume the role of the Super Power to deal with by the middle
of the century.

china has a much...ummmm....stronger attitude towards muslims? atleast muslims in china. outside china, china could care less what u do.

as for vietnam, I still feel bad for the vietnamese that we let the communists win, they suffered for 3 decades(and still suffer) because of that.

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 04:55 AM

I think democracy will survive. maybe not nice democracy(afterall 51% could decide to arrest the other 49%), but some version will continue. they'll probably concede a bunch of laws to the islamists to quiet them down, similar to pakistan. probably some really grotesque rape laws, perhaps some apostasy law.

its hard to tell what the militias will do exactly after america is gone, ostensibly their best reason for killing their own ppl(america's presence) will be gone. they'll almost for sure keep doing it, atleast for a while. eventually their will might tire though, especially on their current reasoning. now mayhaps they get new reasoning, like hassan in lebanon. afterall the original reasoning was a sham anyway. but they'll still be more limited then if 150 000 americans were there.

there will probably be a bunch of sketchy areas in iraq, again, like pakistan. tribal zoneish places. especially in the sunni part, the gov't probably won't bother exercising much control over it for quite a while. seeing as it has no oil.

I guess the real flashpoint will be when america leaves at first, if the gov't can stand, not in any civilized way, but in a very primal survival sort of way.

alkemical · 12-08-2006, 11:30 AM

I think construction jobs will be in demand.

TailgateNut · 12-08-2006, 11:44 AM

Nothing will change until we can get the resident dumbass in the white House to come to grips with the real situation and and gravity of his **** up in Iraq. Once he eaither comes to grips or is impeached (which is almost the only option due to his arrogance regarding the Iraq war).
Then we'll pull our troops, and I hate to say it but our troop losses will increase in frequency and numbers as we de-mobilize.
An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy. All of this is due to our lack of pre-war planning and post invasion training!

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Nothing will change until we can get the resident dumbass in the white House to come to grips with the real situation and and gravity of his **** up in Iraq. Once he eaither comes to grips or is impeached (which is almost the only option due to his arrogance regarding the Iraq war).
Then we'll pull our troops, and I hate to say it but our troop losses will increase in frequency and numbers as we de-mobilize.
An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy. All of this is due to our lack of pre-war planning and post invasion training!

while ur hatred of bush is noted, u stopped short of actually answering the question.

TailgateNut · 12-08-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

while ur hatred of bush is noted, u stopped short of actually answering the question.

How 'bout "we leave the place more fugged up then what it was when he (the decider) decided to invade it". Is that better

The only thing accomplished was to rid them of Saddam, kill thousands of our men and women, maime tens of thousands of our men and women, fed the mighty military machine and all of the associated civilian contractors, spent $400+ billion (to date) on a lie (which our children and grandchildren get to pay for for decades to come (note: this doesn't include the Billions yet to be spent in reconstruction and security costs), ruined the infrastructure of a nation who did not attack us, allowed 100000 plus Iraqui casualties and are going to leave the place one giant mess to clean up.
Thanks GW, you are a genius to some!

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

How 'bout "we leave the place more fugged up then what it was when he (the decider) decided to invade it". Is that better

The only thing accomplished was to rid them of Saddam, kill thousands of our men and women, maime tens of thousands of our men and women, fed the mighty military machine and all of the associated civilian contractors, spent $400+ billion (to date) on a lie (which our children and grandchildren get to pay for for decades to come (note: this doesn't include the Billions yet to be spent in reconstruction and security costs), ruined the infrastructure of a nation who did not attack us, allowed 100000 plus Iraqui casualties and are going to leave the place one giant mess to clean up.
Thanks GW, you are a genius to some!

no, u still didnt answer the question. and I appreciate it if u didnt turn this thread into a cesspool of bush hatred. there's another 50000 threads for that. k thanks.

TailgateNut · 12-08-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

no, u still didnt answer the question. and I appreciate it if u didnt turn this thread into a cesspool of bush hatred. there's another 50000 threads for that. k thanks.

Well I guess you'll need to put me on ignore. Sort of like Bush has done to 65%+ of the nation!
You're welcome!

"An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy". I guess this answer didn't fit in with your view!

defenseman · 12-08-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Well I guess you'll need to put me on ignore. Sort of like Bush has done to 65%+ of the nation!
You're welcome!

"An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy". I guess this answer didn't fit in with your view!

You didn't answer the question....dman

TailgateNut · 12-08-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

You didn't answer the question....dman

....and you didn't either.....so......like I said, if ya don't like it, ignore it!

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Well I guess you'll need to put me on ignore. Sort of like Bush has done to 65%+ of the nation!
You're welcome!

"An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy". I guess this answer didn't fit in with your view!

ppl are saying there's a civil war now. so no, u didnt answer the question. I'm asking u in essense what will be the result of the civil war. america had a civil war too.

so as best as ur little mind can manage, think.

TailgateNut · 12-08-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yavoon

ppl are saying there's a civil war now. so no, u didnt answer the question. I'm asking u in essense what will be the result of the civil war. america had a civil war too.

so as best as ur little mind can manage, think.

Yes, ppl are saying there is currently a civil war in Iraq, but at this time it is limited to certain areas, whereas I feel it will break out nationwide with the support from the Iranians and Saudis.
One giant **** up!

bendog · 12-08-2006, 01:41 PM

What Texas Bob said ... which yavoon misread re china.

defenseman · 12-08-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

....and you didn't either.....so......like I said, if ya don't like it, ignore it!

I wasn't asked the question, and yes it'll be ignored...dman

bendog · 12-08-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

I wasn't asked the question, and yes it'll be ignored...dman

I was confused as to how you got in that, lol

Dudeskey · 12-08-2006, 05:03 PM

I think the current government isn't going to be able to stand on its two feet regardless... I hope it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a coup and a secular pro-western dictator (most likely another sunni) was installed into power, the Kurds would probably get **** on once again :-(

bendog · 12-08-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

I think the current government isn't going to be able to stand on its two feet regardless... I hope it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a coup and a secular pro-western dictator (most likely another sunni) was installed into power, the Kurds would probably get **** on once again :-(

? Actually, that's my best case scenario. I'm not sure the kurds would have to get crapped on again.

yavoon · 12-08-2006, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bendog

What Texas Bob said ... which yavoon misread re china.

I didnt misread it, I made a tangential comment, it wasn't meant to disprove anything he said.

good job though.

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-08-2006, 09:14 PM

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so what WILL happen in iraq

Sect violence for years with the Sh i ites in power instead of Sunnis. This is what Iran has been dreaming about for decades.

defenseman · 12-09-2006, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Sect violence for years with the Sh i ites in power instead of Sunnis. This is what Iran has been dreaming about for decades.

IF, we don't pull out of iraq correctly, yes you are correct and much worse. We'll be at it with iran in a few years for sure. Got to do it right this time..dman

elsid13 · 12-09-2006, 10:53 AM

I really do think in the end of it all we will see three state solution. The North dominate by Kurds will be the only US ally in the area, the south will align with Iran and Sunni in rest of area.

Bronco_Beerslug · 12-09-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by defenseman

IF, we don't pull out of iraq correctly, yes you are correct and much worse. We'll be at it with iran in a few years for sure. Got to do it right this time..dman

We are the ones who took the Sunnis out of power (saddam) and put the Shi ites in power. It doesn't matter how long we sacrifice Americans in Iraq for no logical reason, that situation (sect war) isn't changing while we're there, this should be obvious by now.

Dudeskey · 12-09-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bendog

? Actually, that's my best case scenario. I'm not sure the kurds would have to get crapped on again.

All depends how one looks at it I s'pose

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12-08-2006, 04:18 AM	#2
Bronco Bob Tastee Freeze Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	The troops will start being pulled out next year. They'll leave a token advisor force in, but they probably won't accomplish much. Eventually the Iraqis will break up along ethnic and religious lines similar to what happened in Yugoslavia. But not before a massive slaughter. The remaining states will eventually become puppets of Iran and Syria, which will be the dominent powers in the middle east. And the US will have moved on to other things, similar to what happened after Vietnam, and with the US a weaker and less influential country. China will assume the role of the Super Power to deal with by the middle of the century.

12-08-2006, 04:55 AM	#4
yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	I think democracy will survive. maybe not nice democracy(afterall 51% could decide to arrest the other 49%), but some version will continue. they'll probably concede a bunch of laws to the islamists to quiet them down, similar to pakistan. probably some really grotesque rape laws, perhaps some apostasy law. its hard to tell what the militias will do exactly after america is gone, ostensibly their best reason for killing their own ppl(america's presence) will be gone. they'll almost for sure keep doing it, atleast for a while. eventually their will might tire though, especially on their current reasoning. now mayhaps they get new reasoning, like hassan in lebanon. afterall the original reasoning was a sham anyway. but they'll still be more limited then if 150 000 americans were there. there will probably be a bunch of sketchy areas in iraq, again, like pakistan. tribal zoneish places. especially in the sunni part, the gov't probably won't bother exercising much control over it for quite a while. seeing as it has no oil. I guess the real flashpoint will be when america leaves at first, if the gov't can stand, not in any civilized way, but in a very primal survival sort of way.

12-08-2006, 11:30 AM	#5
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	I think construction jobs will be in demand.

12-08-2006, 11:44 AM	#6
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	Nothing will change until we can get the resident dumbass in the white House to come to grips with the real situation and and gravity of his **** up in Iraq. Once he eaither comes to grips or is impeached (which is almost the only option due to his arrogance regarding the Iraq war). Then we'll pull our troops, and I hate to say it but our troop losses will increase in frequency and numbers as we de-mobilize. An all out civil war will break out within weeks of our departure due to the crooked goverment left in power by our forced democracy. All of this is due to our lack of pre-war planning and post invasion training!

12-08-2006, 01:41 PM	#15
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	What Texas Bob said ... which yavoon misread re china.

12-08-2006, 05:03 PM	#18
Dudeskey Ring of Famer This space for rent Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 4,314	I think the current government isn't going to be able to stand on its two feet regardless... I hope it doesn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me if there was a coup and a secular pro-western dictator (most likely another sunni) was installed into power, the Kurds would probably get **** on once again :-(

12-09-2006, 10:53 AM	#23
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,139	I really do think in the end of it all we will see three state solution. The North dominate by Kurds will be the only US ally in the area, the south will align with Iran and Sunni in rest of area.