Offensive philosophy in need of a change? - The Orange Mane

OrangeShadow · 11-25-2006, 06:59 AM

Is it time for this orginizaton to change from the small offensive lines that run the zone blocking schemes to some real road grinding offensive lineman.
The league isnt built anymore for a scrambling quarterback,its built to drop back and pass which smallish offensive lines arent good for.
I know this philosophy has worked for us for so many years but is it finally time for a change?

Taco John · 11-25-2006, 07:25 AM

I said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one. I think the overall philosophy is fine, but I think it's a mistake not to pursue a fullback who can impact our offense in a way that mimicks what Howard Griffith provided us back in the day. That guy was a runningback/tackle/tightend by function. He gave us ability in all three phases of offense. I'm talking about a guy like Lorenzo Neal or Mack Strong. Maybe Dookie Davenport. I think that would go a long way towards improving our running game.

Bighorn · 11-25-2006, 08:32 AM

The philosophy is fine like Taco said theyneed a better fullback as well as better runningback and tightend.Runningback by committee is too hard to establish rythem. A tightend that can stretch the field would help drastically.Honestly do you think other teams actually respect our runningbacks or tightends.

elsid13 · 11-25-2006, 09:15 AM

Heck the running game if is fine, the OC needs to stay with. Running 14 times is a joke. And I think both KJ and Sapp are fine as the FB

anthonypacino · 11-25-2006, 12:58 PM

yeah, we are still missing a few guys but a FB & TE would greatly help. And most important a feature RB.

Play2win · 11-25-2006, 01:03 PM

I think we need to get Bigger guys on the line to stay in step with today's NFL.

JDB7821 · 11-25-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one. I think the overall philosophy is fine, but I think it's a mistake not to pursue a fullback who can impact our offense in a way that mimicks what Howard Griffith provided us back in the day. That guy was a runningback/tackle/tightend by function. He gave us ability in all three phases of offense. I'm talking about a guy like Lorenzo Neal or Mack Strong. Maybe Dookie Davenport. I think that would go a long way towards improving our running game.

Justin Griffith is that kind of fullback. He's not the biggest guy, but he's great at blocking in both phases, can catch and he can run the ball. He's just not utilized the way he should be in Atlanta.

watermock · 11-25-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one. I think the overall philosophy is fine, but I think it's a mistake not to pursue a fullback who can impact our offense in a way that mimicks what Howard Griffith provided us back in the day. That guy was a runningback/tackle/tightend by function. He gave us ability in all three phases of offense. I'm talking about a guy like Lorenzo Neal or Mack Strong. Maybe Dookie Davenport. I think that would go a long way towards improving our running game.

I don't know why Sapp only got one touch. He's been good at blocking and still has upside, and he should of got some running touches.

Jeeze...Sapp dropped a pass a few weeks ago...that doesn't mean T.O. didn't drop several a couple weeks ago. Give him another chance. He didn't drop one this week. He was nervous in the start.

Our running game is abysmal. 28 yards OS of the QB?

Where do you go with that...how about a different direction Mike?

I don't understand how he gets no touches when he was running like an animal against INdy on only two runs.

29 ****in' yards from our backs and we don't give him the rock a few times?

-Slap- · 11-25-2006, 02:51 PM

I would love to dump the zone blocking scheme. We're in a transitional period where we could easily shift towards a drive blocking scheme if we desired. It would nice to be able to pound teams into submission and stop being such pansies on the goalline.

-Slap- · 11-25-2006, 02:54 PM

I want more size on defense, too. We've become the same kind of small, soft team that got wiped out by bigger NFC teams in the 80s Super Bowls. Let's get some roughnecks in here and start imposing our will on teams. We've got the big armed quarterback to terrorize secondaries. Why not build a team that intimidates in all phases?

Play2win · 11-25-2006, 03:00 PM

I would love to get some big boys on the Offensive and Defensive lines. The battle starts in the trenches.

Kaylore · 11-25-2006, 03:07 PM

It's actually not that different. The latest slew of offensive linemen we've been bringing in are all around 300 lbs. Pears is 305 and he is playing way better than anyone expected. Cooper Carlisle is 295 and is the best guard on the line. Chris Kuper is 302 and he even has room to get bigger up top and is going to be a stud. Chris Myers is 300 lbs. That really only leaves Ben Hamilton, Lepsis and Nalen as the three undersized guys on the line.

I'd like to see us trade Hamilton to Texas, slide Cooper over and bring Kuper up to start. Then Lepsis can play on either side, though I have to admit that Pears doesn't get pushed around as much as Lepsis was before the injury. However I think Lepsis will have some really powerful legs from the rehab when he gets back. Either way, the offensive line is something I'm excited about for the next year. We have some really good prospects.

Kaylore · 11-25-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

I would love to dump the zone blocking scheme. We're in a transitional period where we could easily shift towards a drive blocking scheme if we desired. It would nice to be able to pound teams into submission and stop being such pansies on the goalline.

We don't get pushed around at the goalline. We've got one of the best redzone offenses in the league this year (when we get there) and we did last year as well. Virtually all of our TD's there this year have been runs right into the heart of defensive line. Our third down conversions - even third and long - have almost all been on the ground too.

Northman · 11-25-2006, 03:19 PM

Its not the offensive philosphy thats the problem. Its the execution of the passing attack. If we make over half of those passes on a regular basis than the offense would be doing its job. But when one part of the offense fails than its a chain reaction to every other facet of the team. Once we fix the passing game then the running game will improve and the rest of the team will regain more confidence as well.

Florida_Bronco · 11-25-2006, 03:19 PM

I don't think the problem is the scheme as much as it is a lack of talent due partly to injuries. Kaylore already broke down the O-line, so I'll skip that. I'm pretty confident in the WR position, as I think Rod will stick around for 1 more year as a 3rd receiver. Marshall has been showing some signs of life and we have the best receiver in the AFC West in Javon Walker. I think Kircus will continue to improve as well. We don't really have anything at TE right now, but we know how talented Scheffler is and I think he'll be our guy in 1-2 years.

We need to reload at RB. Tatum played well for us but I tend to agree that he's just not right for our system here in Denver. I don't think Mike Bell or Nash are that player either, as neither one of them is a complete back.

-Slap- · 11-25-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

We don't get pushed around at the goalline. We've got one of the best redzone offenses in the league this year (when we get there) and we did last year as well. Virtually all of our TD's there this year have been runs right into the heart of defensive line. Our third down conversions - even third and long - have almost all been on the ground too.

Against playoff caliber defenses we get our **** pushed down there and you know it.

azbroncfan · 11-25-2006, 03:49 PM

I would like a change on D side. Personally if Denver can't get any good DE for a 4-3, I would like a 3-4, but Gold would go and Drafting would be Key. Have Webster and Wilson in middle, DJ outside and draft a Hybrid to go along with Chuk and Dumerville. Hire a D coord who knows the ins and outs. O will be fine once Denver gets a quality RB. Portis ran great and found endzone a lot. Need a great back.

Play2win · 11-25-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

I would like a change on D side. Personally if Denver can't get any good DE for a 4-3, I would like a 3-4, but Gold would go and Drafting would be Key. Have Webster and Wilson in middle, DJ outside and draft a Hybrid to go along with Chuk and Dumerville. Hire a D coord who knows the ins and outs. O will be fine once Denver gets a quality RB. Portis ran great and found endzone a lot. Need a great back.

This is a copy-cat league, and it might just be time to go 3-4. Against the offenses we need to be worrying about, the 3-4 seems to be doing the best. It is hard to believe Shanny would pull the trigger on something like this. Though, at the begining of last season, it was hard to believe Shanny would commit to a plan B for Jake. I am soooo glad he did. So there is hope, maybe, Shanny might think about some like that, but probably not.

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11-25-2006, 06:59 AM	#1
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	Offensive philosophy in need of a change? Is it time for this orginizaton to change from the small offensive lines that run the zone blocking schemes to some real road grinding offensive lineman. The league isnt built anymore for a scrambling quarterback,its built to drop back and pass which smallish offensive lines arent good for. I know this philosophy has worked for us for so many years but is it finally time for a change?

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11-25-2006, 07:25 AM	#2
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I said it in other threads, and I'll say it in this one. I think the overall philosophy is fine, but I think it's a mistake not to pursue a fullback who can impact our offense in a way that mimicks what Howard Griffith provided us back in the day. That guy was a runningback/tackle/tightend by function. He gave us ability in all three phases of offense. I'm talking about a guy like Lorenzo Neal or Mack Strong. Maybe Dookie Davenport. I think that would go a long way towards improving our running game.

11-25-2006, 08:32 AM	#3
Bighorn Just Drafted Orange & Blue Since 72 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wyoming Posts: 45	The philosophy is fine like Taco said theyneed a better fullback as well as better runningback and tightend.Runningback by committee is too hard to establish rythem. A tightend that can stretch the field would help drastically.Honestly do you think other teams actually respect our runningbacks or tightends.

11-25-2006, 09:15 AM	#4
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	Heck the running game if is fine, the OC needs to stay with. Running 14 times is a joke. And I think both KJ and Sapp are fine as the FB

11-25-2006, 12:58 PM	#5
anthonypacino off season mode Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2,283	yeah, we are still missing a few guys but a FB & TE would greatly help. And most important a feature RB.

11-25-2006, 01:03 PM	#6
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	I think we need to get Bigger guys on the line to stay in step with today's NFL.

11-25-2006, 02:51 PM	#9
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	I would love to dump the zone blocking scheme. We're in a transitional period where we could easily shift towards a drive blocking scheme if we desired. It would nice to be able to pound teams into submission and stop being such pansies on the goalline.

11-25-2006, 02:54 PM	#10
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	I want more size on defense, too. We've become the same kind of small, soft team that got wiped out by bigger NFC teams in the 80s Super Bowls. Let's get some roughnecks in here and start imposing our will on teams. We've got the big armed quarterback to terrorize secondaries. Why not build a team that intimidates in all phases?

11-25-2006, 03:00 PM	#11
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	I would love to get some big boys on the Offensive and Defensive lines. The battle starts in the trenches.

11-25-2006, 03:07 PM	#12
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,037 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	It's actually not that different. The latest slew of offensive linemen we've been bringing in are all around 300 lbs. Pears is 305 and he is playing way better than anyone expected. Cooper Carlisle is 295 and is the best guard on the line. Chris Kuper is 302 and he even has room to get bigger up top and is going to be a stud. Chris Myers is 300 lbs. That really only leaves Ben Hamilton, Lepsis and Nalen as the three undersized guys on the line. I'd like to see us trade Hamilton to Texas, slide Cooper over and bring Kuper up to start. Then Lepsis can play on either side, though I have to admit that Pears doesn't get pushed around as much as Lepsis was before the injury. However I think Lepsis will have some really powerful legs from the rehab when he gets back. Either way, the offensive line is something I'm excited about for the next year. We have some really good prospects.

11-25-2006, 03:19 PM	#14
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Its not the offensive philosphy thats the problem. Its the execution of the passing attack. If we make over half of those passes on a regular basis than the offense would be doing its job. But when one part of the offense fails than its a chain reaction to every other facet of the team. Once we fix the passing game then the running game will improve and the rest of the team will regain more confidence as well.

11-25-2006, 03:19 PM	#15
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	I don't think the problem is the scheme as much as it is a lack of talent due partly to injuries. Kaylore already broke down the O-line, so I'll skip that. I'm pretty confident in the WR position, as I think Rod will stick around for 1 more year as a 3rd receiver. Marshall has been showing some signs of life and we have the best receiver in the AFC West in Javon Walker. I think Kircus will continue to improve as well. We don't really have anything at TE right now, but we know how talented Scheffler is and I think he'll be our guy in 1-2 years. We need to reload at RB. Tatum played well for us but I tend to agree that he's just not right for our system here in Denver. I don't think Mike Bell or Nash are that player either, as neither one of them is a complete back.

11-25-2006, 03:49 PM	#17
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	I would like a change on D side. Personally if Denver can't get any good DE for a 4-3, I would like a 3-4, but Gold would go and Drafting would be Key. Have Webster and Wilson in middle, DJ outside and draft a Hybrid to go along with Chuk and Dumerville. Hire a D coord who knows the ins and outs. O will be fine once Denver gets a quality RB. Portis ran great and found endzone a lot. Need a great back.