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Stormontheplains · 11-24-2006, 09:48 AM

Gold whiffed on 5 tackles last night that i counted. Why would they not activate nate against teams the will run over 70% of the plays. When Ian didnt just miss on a tackle he was being consumed by lineman. Webster has to step in, maybe make Ian your Nickle LB, but he kills us against a power back.

bloodsunday · 11-24-2006, 09:59 AM

You know I don't break down film like some of you, but I just haven't seen much playmaking from DJ and Ian both this year. Al wiffs on his share of tackles as well, but the guy is everywhere.

Maybe that's just my perception speaking...

broncsyanks · 11-24-2006, 10:03 AM

i guess we should say the same about al wilson considering he missed about the same amount of tackles like ian. in case you didnt see it most of the LB'S missed a hell of a lot of tackles. its sad. thats the reality of it. forget it and get some offense to give the defense a rest.

Stormontheplains · 11-24-2006, 10:06 AM

Let me restate my point, all the backers missed tackles and played bad, but how many times did you see Ian Completely turned around? He couldnt stand his ground, al got himself in the right position and whiffed, Ian couldnt even stay within 5 foot of his gap.

broncsyanks · 11-24-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Let me restate my point, all the backers missed tackles and played bad, but how many times did you see Ian Completely turned around? He couldnt stand his ground, al got himself in the right position and whiffed, Ian couldnt even stay within 5 foot of his gap.

the same amount of times that al wilson, and dj did as well. face it they all got spanked.

you want to look at something look at this and it says it all:

ebenezer ekuban DE vs. Ladniam tomlinson RB
Engelberger DE vs. Watson TE.

also curome cox couldnt seal the outside gap and they ran awild. they had to drop lynch 30 yards into coverage. there defense suked

Spider · 11-24-2006, 10:14 AM

weak D line is more to blame .........

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

weak D line is more to blame .........

Bull****.

We know what the defensive line was supposed to be this season and that is how they've performed. The linebackers are the so-called strength of the defense - supposedly the best group in the NFL. Unfortunately, they're one dimensional and basically useless against power running teams who favor smash mouth football. I've been saying it for five years. You have to have at least one linebacker you can point at the quarterback before the snap that doesn't make the OT snicker to himself.

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 02:29 PM

Did anybody else notice that back to back power running teams were able to move the ball against us?

Why?

Was it because the best linebackers in the NFL can't step up and make plays at the point of attack?

To paraphrase Dennis Green, the defensive line is who we thought they were. Anybody who was suddenly expecting Deacon Jones to magically appear on the roster is living in a dream world.

The linebackers, though, they're supposed to be the best group in the NFL. How come they can't step up when we need them against the power running teams?

Popps · 11-24-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

weak D line is more to blame .........

It starts with that, no question. We just got manhandled last night up front. Truly embarrassing, particularly on passing downs. Trent Green's passing lanes looked like you were watching walk-throughs in June or something.

I think someone forgot to tell our front four that the red jersey only means you can't hit OUR quarterback. It's O.K. to hit other QBs in red.

That said, our LBs were no treat last night, either. Gold was out of position a few times, I never really saw D.J. Williams, which has become sort of a theme... and even the great Al Wilson was caught quitting on the biggest run of the night.

It wasn't pretty.

Dudeskey · 11-24-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

weak D line is more to blame .........

I agree, we looked average at best in the trenches

PLOWHORSE · 11-24-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Did anybody else notice that back to back power running teams were able to move the ball against us?

Why?

Was it because the best linebackers in the NFL can't step up and make plays at the point of attack?

To paraphrase Dennis Green, the defensive line is who we thought they were. Anybody who was suddenly expecting Deacon Jones to magically appear on the roster is living in a dream world.

The linebackers, though, they're supposed to be the best group in the NFL. How come they can't step up when we need them against the power running teams?

I see your point Slap, but the Dline is supposed to keep the Olinemen from getting to that 2nd level of the Defense and smack our LBs. They could not do that these past 2 weeks.

I agree that he Dline is a major culprit..along with overpursuing, and arm tackling LBs.

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PLOWHORSE

I see your point Slap, but the Dline is supposed to keep the Olinemen from getting to that 2nd level of the Defense and smack our LBs. They could not do that these past 2 weeks.

I agree that he Dline is a major culprit..along with overpursuing, and arm tackling LBs.

The point is our linebackers need help to do their jobs. Why not get at least one roughneck who can step up and stuff at the point of attack?

Instead we've got these front running pretty boys who look great when everything else on defense is clicking. Well, I want some hardcore mofos who can do the goddamn dirty work when the going gets tough.

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 02:52 PM

Okay, guys, Pryce was let go in the off season and Warren is babying an injury, but your job tonight is simple. Pressure Green, stuff the run, and keep all the blockers off The Best Linebackers in Football.

Got it?

Spider · 11-24-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Bull****.

We know what the defensive line was supposed to be this season and that is how they've performed. The linebackers are the so-called strength of the defense - supposedly the best group in the NFL. Unfortunately, they're one dimensional and basically useless against power running teams who favor smash mouth football. I've been saying it for five years. You have to have at least one linebacker you can point at the quarterback before the snap that doesn't make the OT snicker to himself.

Some times you dont have the prefect situations , sometimes you have to fight through advesrity .......

Spider · 11-24-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Okay, guys, Pryce was let go in the off season and Warren is babying an injury, but your job tonight is simple. Pressure Green, stuff the run, and keep all the blockers off The Best Linebackers in Football.

Got it?

it is thier Job ........ they do get paid

Sarcastro · 11-24-2006, 03:31 PM

It is hard for any LB to make a tackle when LJ is juking him out of his jock.

Atlas · 11-24-2006, 03:36 PM

There is plenty of blame to go around. I think Wilson probably misses more tackles than any LBer I have ever seen. D.J. Williams just disappears and gets swollowed up by guards.

A lot of this has to do with the fact that the Chefs and Chuggers are just great running teams. I'm not blaming the Dline but I think Denver has to get bigger up front.

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

it is thier Job ........ they do get paid

And what do our linebackers get paid to do?

Get all the glory when we win and accept none of the blame when we lose?

Nice deal. Don't get blocked and celebrate routine tackles like you just won the Super Bowl.

Spider · 11-24-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

And what do our linebackers get paid to do?

Get all the glory when we win and accept none of the blame when we lose?

Nice deal. Don't get blocked and celebrate routine tackles like you just won the Super Bowl.

Didnt say that ...... just pointing out it all begins up front .......

azbroncfan · 11-24-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by broncsyanks

the same amount of times that al wilson, and dj did as well. face it they all got spanked.

you want to look at something look at this and it says it all:

ebenezer ekuban DE vs. Ladniam tomlinson RB
Engelberger DE vs. Watson TE.

also curome cox couldnt seal the outside gap and they ran awild. they had to drop lynch 30 yards into coverage. there defense suked

Are you talking about Last night in KC? Watson plays for NE? JE credit he broke the pass up and didn't even know it.

cabronco · 11-24-2006, 03:56 PM

I'm not blaming the Dline but I think Denver has to get bigger up front

I suggested this last week, just to get laughed at saying we have plenty of big non-talented players for the D-line., Well maybe we should pursue some bigger talented ones, starting asap !

-Slap- · 11-24-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Are you talking about Last night in KC? Watson plays for NE? JE credit he broke the pass up and didn't even know it.

Hey, don't ask me why, but teams insist on running zone blitz out of the 4-3.

Russian Roulette if you ask me. I'm sure Dom Capers never would have designed the thing if he coached 4-3 schemes, but whatever.

azbroncfan · 11-24-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Bull****.

We know what the defensive line was supposed to be this season and that is how they've performed. The linebackers are the so-called strength of the defense - supposedly the best group in the NFL. Unfortunately, they're one dimensional and basically useless against power running teams who favor smash mouth football. I've been saying it for five years. You have to have at least one linebacker you can point at the quarterback before the snap that doesn't make the OT snicker to himself.

Yep they are one dimensional and and don't blitz or do pass coverage well. I dont think we need to upgrade they all are good players but not great. The difference between good and great is making plays. 0 INT's last 2 years and the last one was DJ williams on xmas against Tenn. DJ has actually been a bit of a dissappointment after promising rookie year. Much rather had Steve Jackson. They are fast and fly around but are average at blitz and zone coverage.

azbroncfan · 11-24-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Hey, don't ask me why, but teams insist on running zone blitz out of the 4-3.

Russian Roulette if you ask me. I'm sure Dom Capers never would have designed the thing if he coached 4-3 schemes, but whatever.

Zone blitz with DL playing man coverage

This is a revolutionary concept developed by Larry Coyer. Coyer's blitz are Lynch and a LB from one side drop DE on other. Same as above but bring the other LB also. Or bring 8.

11-24-2006, 09:48 AM	#1
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	Gold reminded us why we love/hate him Gold whiffed on 5 tackles last night that i counted. Why would they not activate nate against teams the will run over 70% of the plays. When Ian didnt just miss on a tackle he was being consumed by lineman. Webster has to step in, maybe make Ian your Nickle LB, but he kills us against a power back.

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11-24-2006, 09:59 AM	#2
bloodsunday Ring of Famer Nothing lasts forever. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dove Valley Posts: 5,839 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	You know I don't break down film like some of you, but I just haven't seen much playmaking from DJ and Ian both this year. Al wiffs on his share of tackles as well, but the guy is everywhere. Maybe that's just my perception speaking...

11-24-2006, 10:03 AM	#3
broncsyanks Broncos kick a$$!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nyc, NY Posts: 917	i guess we should say the same about al wilson considering he missed about the same amount of tackles like ian. in case you didnt see it most of the LB'S missed a hell of a lot of tackles. its sad. thats the reality of it. forget it and get some offense to give the defense a rest.

11-24-2006, 10:06 AM	#4
Stormontheplains Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bronco Nation Posts: 1,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Andre Hall	Let me restate my point, all the backers missed tackles and played bad, but how many times did you see Ian Completely turned around? He couldnt stand his ground, al got himself in the right position and whiffed, Ian couldnt even stay within 5 foot of his gap.

11-24-2006, 10:14 AM	#6
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	weak D line is more to blame .........

11-24-2006, 02:29 PM	#8
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Did anybody else notice that back to back power running teams were able to move the ball against us? Why? Was it because the best linebackers in the NFL can't step up and make plays at the point of attack? To paraphrase Dennis Green, the defensive line is who we thought they were. Anybody who was suddenly expecting Deacon Jones to magically appear on the roster is living in a dream world. The linebackers, though, they're supposed to be the best group in the NFL. How come they can't step up when we need them against the power running teams?

11-24-2006, 02:52 PM	#13
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Okay, guys, Pryce was let go in the off season and Warren is babying an injury, but your job tonight is simple. Pressure Green, stuff the run, and keep all the blockers off The Best Linebackers in Football. Got it?

11-24-2006, 03:31 PM	#16
Sarcastro Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 890	It is hard for any LB to make a tackle when LJ is juking him out of his jock.

11-24-2006, 03:36 PM	#17
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	There is plenty of blame to go around. I think Wilson probably misses more tackles than any LBer I have ever seen. D.J. Williams just disappears and gets swollowed up by guards. A lot of this has to do with the fact that the Chefs and Chuggers are just great running teams. I'm not blaming the Dline but I think Denver has to get bigger up front.

11-24-2006, 03:56 PM	#21
cabronco Fish & Chips PFM Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 5,469 Adopt-a-Bronco: wth happened	I'm not blaming the Dline but I think Denver has to get bigger up front I suggested this last week, just to get laughed at saying we have plenty of big non-talented players for the D-line., Well maybe we should pursue some bigger talented ones, starting asap !