I've changed my mind ,do not start Cutler

[baja]

The way the O line is playing and with Lepsis out for the season and now maybe Meadows out.

This team is not going anywhere as it stands today. Losing Lepsis was devastating to the running game and to pass protection too.

Putting Jay behind the line as it is not would be a bad idea for many reasons. First he could get badly hurt. he would be pounded as a rookie.

Maybe we should just wait until next year when our line is intact again.

[atomicbloke]

UHHH WHAAAA WOOAAHHH

ARE YOU SERIOUS??

If this season is toast, all the more reason to start Cutler and give him experience. We have nothing to gain by starting Jake if we are tanking it anyway.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by baja fan

The way the O line is playing and with Lepsis out for the season and now maybe Meadows out.

This team is not going anywhere as it stands today. Losing Lepsis was devastating to the running game and to pass protection too.

Putting Jay behind the line as it is not would be a bad idea for many reasons. First he could get badly hurt. he would be pounded as a rookie.

Maybe we should just wait until next year when our line is intact again.

You ever hear of Max Protect?


Look we don't have pass catching TEs so might as well use them in the blocking game. Go 6 man OL with Mustard or Alexander blocking and just go with Cutler taking 3/5 step drops rather than longer ones which leave him in the pocket longer.

Use either Rod/Walker as the primary reads and leave him the option to check down to a RB/TE out for the short area pass.

It's not sexy, but it's simple, safe and really all we need from our QB.

[baja]

Originally Posted by fontaine

You ever hear of Max Protect?


Look we don't have pass catching TEs so might as well use them in the blocking game. Go 6 man OL with Mustard or Alexander blocking and just go with Cutler taking 3/5 step drops rather than longer ones which leave him in the pocket longer.

Use either Rod/Walker as the primary reads and leave him the option to check down to a RB/TE out for the short area pass.

It's not sexy, but it's simple, safe and really all we need from our QB.

That will give us not much different than what we get with Plummer but it would get the kid some experience i guess. We will see the full play book next season I guess.

[bloodsunday]

Common are you joking? This team has a great shot to make the playoffs, and that is going somewhere. Get off the doom and gloom kick.

I am confident that this group of veterans and this coaching staff can find a way out of the funk. We got 10 days and we better blow up Seattle -- and that includes all you band wagon fans.

[Broncos4tw]

Please see my "Jay is not a pinata" thread. The guy isn't made out of glass. He at his age is just as if not more healthy than QBs who have played for 10 years. He is not going to break in two if he gets sacked. Might as well get him in there. I mean think about it. We have two options. One, we keep in Jake, and start Jay next year. In this scenario, we lose this year AND next year, since Jay will have had no real time playing experience. OR we start Jay, get him a lot of practice, and next year, we try to actually make a run for the playoffs.

I'd rather opt for trying, than just blowing away two years.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

You ever hear of Max Protect?


Look we don't have pass catching TEs so might as well use them in the blocking game. Go 6 man OL with Mustard or Alexander blocking and just go with Cutler taking 3/5 step drops rather than longer ones which leave him in the pocket longer.

Use either Rod/Walker as the primary reads and leave him the option to check down to a RB/TE out for the short area pass.

It's not sexy, but it's simple, safe and really all we need from our QB.

Washington made a living in these schemes last year, and it worked. Although it would really help matters if we could get our run game going again. This is not impossible.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by baja fan

That will give us not much different than what we get with Plummer but it would get the kid some experience i guess. We will see the full play book next season I guess.

Let's wait and see. We gotta start the kid off easy. If he can handle the basics well in a simple formation where he's getting max protect then Shanahan can build up his playbook.

Remember, even though it was Preseason, Jay looked amazing using that same vanilla offense.

[Stormontheplains]

Do you think with cutler, scheffler will re-surface? Those two had a great connection during the preseason, maybe having Jay will help tonys confidence and production

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'd like to know why Tony Scheffler is essentially on the shelf. We have no legit target for the QB to throw to other than Walker right now. Rod seems to have slowed noticeably now, and I have doubts he beats out Marshall next year, plus we have no consistent threat from the backfield and even Javon is mostly limited to the short to intermediate routes because we can't protect the QB long enough to go deep even if Jake could get it there with accuracy. Maybe that will change with Jay though. However, with injuries in the O-line, we desperately need another target to emerge that takes some of the pressure off our recievers on the outside. Scheffler led the team in the preseason in receiving and has the speed and hands to be a serious threat. Maybe his blocking needs work. Fine...toss him in there and let him get his feet wet against some big time pass rushers anyway. He's not going to see much of that in practice so how can he get better unless he plays?

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Let's wait and see. We gotta start the kid off easy. If he can handle the basics well in a simple formation where he's getting max protect then Shanahan can build up his playbook.

Remember, even though it was Preseason, Jay looked amazing using that same vanilla offense.

And I still believe we have some playmakers in Walker and Marshall. Cutler had some chemistry with Scheffler so maybe it can revive our tight ends as well.

If we can run the ball any QB will have some time. Last night KC never feared our run game just keep bringing the house.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Stormontheplains

Do you think with cutler, scheffler will re-surface? Those two had a great connection during the preseason, maybe having Jay will help tonys confidence and production

Good point...I read this after my post. They did have a connection and we need to get that guy back on the field again. Stephen Alexander gives us nothing special.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

And I still believe we have some playmakers in Walker and Marshall. Cutler had some chemistry with Scheffler so maybe it can revive our tight ends as well.

This is going to sound like heresy but I want to see more of Marshall even if it means less of Rod. He's showing some age now...the big games are virtually non-existant and he only gets open in the short zones. Would he be better in the slot as the 3rd receiver? He'd still be effective as a blocker and going against the safety or the nickel might improve his effectiveness as a 3rd down target who can move the chains. I think Marshall's the future...are we going to be afraid to play him or give him some time?

[broncsyanks]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

I'd like to know why Tony Scheffler is essentially on the shelf. We have no legit target for the QB to throw to other than Walker right now. Rod seems to have slowed noticeably now, and I have doubts he beats out Marshall next year, plus we have no consistent threat from the backfield and even Javon is mostly limited to the short to intermediate routes because we can't protect the QB long enough to go deep even if Jake could get it there with accuracy. Maybe that will change with Jay though. However, with injuries in the O-line, we desperately need another target to emerge that takes some of the pressure off our recievers on the outside. Scheffler led the team in the preseason in receiving and has the speed and hands to be a serious threat. Maybe his blocking needs work. Fine...toss him in there and let him get his feet wet against some big time pass rushers anyway. He's not going to see much of that in practice so how can he get better unless he plays?

simple what does he have 5 catches with 13 thrown to him. ever see him run his patterns in a zone defense?? they blow. he runs to the defender not the open area. also he cant block. that is why. right now mustard looks the best as well as jackson

[Stormontheplains]

All we need is a quarterback who can throw against a 2 deep zone, Jake cant, Jay will hit routs in the 10-20 yard range that jake cant, that will loosen up defenses big time, and make rod seem like he is young again. The only problem is our recievers will still be jumping for balls that hit them in the numbers due to SNAKE_LAG

[Spider]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Common are you joking? This team has a great shot to make the playoffs, and that is going somewhere. Get off the doom and gloom kick.

I am confident that this group of veterans and this coaching staff can find a way out of the funk. We got 10 days and we better blow up Seattle -- and that includes all you band wagon fans.

I guess you can put me down as a bandwagon fan , even if we make postseason , it will be short lived , Jake underthrew,overthrew,threw behind, every reciever at least once last night , and in the last 2 games ìs when we needed Jake to preform he has choked ...... geting beat by another team because the other team played outstanding ball is one thing , getting beat because your QB becomes the king of the bounce pass to wide open recievers is a slow death ......... last night we had a hard time sustaining drives .........
believe it is time to start Jay Cutler ............

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by broncsyanks

simple what does he have 5 catches with 13 thrown to him. ever see him run his patterns in a zone defense?? they blow. he runs to the defender not the open area. also he cant block. that is why. right now mustard looks the best as well as jackson

Those guys are not going to make us better. Scheffler will, but he has to get some playing time even if he screws up. Mustard's a tackle masquerading as a TE and Jackson is just a snap away from the IR. The rook has to play some even if he gets owned at times. Toss him in there.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

And I still believe we have some playmakers in Walker and Marshall. Cutler had some chemistry with Scheffler so maybe it can revive our tight ends as well.

I hear ya. But I have grave doubts about Scheffler getting on the field this season. We're going to need a better blocking TE in there (Alexander) to help in the running game and pass blocking.

Brandon Marshall > Scheffler, so I would expect them to go three wide with Alexander, TE in line to block, and an I formation.

Now watch Shanahan do the complete opposite and make me look like a chump!

If we can run the ball any QB will have some time. Last night KC never feared our run game just keep bringing the house.

You also pass to setup the run and not always the other way around. Really depends how the defense is playing it and since I was watching a stream of the game I can't break down the D and say how many times they played 8/9 guys in the box against the run or the other way around.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I guess you can put me down as a bandwagon fan , even if we make postseason , it will be short lived , Jake underthrew,overthrew,threw behind, every reciever at least once last night , and in the last 2 games ìs when we needed Jake to preform he has choked ...... geting beat by another team because the other team played outstanding ball is one thing , getting beat because your QB becomes the king of the bounce pass to wide open recievers is a slow death ......... last night we had a hard time sustaining drives .........
believe it is time to start Jay Cutler ............

IMO A bandwagon fan is a guy that loses faith and the desire to pull for his team in times of adversity. A Bandwagon fan is anyone who dared to wish we would suck last night so they could see Cutler get in the game. You can decide for yourself whether you fit into that category.

I am critical of this team, but I always, always root for them. I root for every player to succeed and help this team, no matter what I wish for.

[bloodsunday]

Originally Posted by fontaine

You also pass to setup the run and not always the other way around. Really depends how the defense is playing it and since I was watching a stream of the game I can't break down the D and say how many times they played 8/9 guys in the box against the run or the other way around.

I'm with ya. KC's gameplan on passing the ball was clearly geared toward keeping us honest and keeping their run game going.

I am not enough of an X's and O's guy to make judgement but there seems to be quite a few areas of concern right now, and the QB is one. I think the OL needs to step up and the game plans could probably be better.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

IMO A bandwagon fan is a guy that loses faith and the desire to pull for his team in times of adversity. A Bandwagon fan is anyone who dared to wish we would suck last night so they could see Cutler get in the game. You can decide for yourself whether you fit into that category.

That definition assumes that those who think long range and big picture rather than temporary solution and individual games are not equally good fans. Such a view is short sighted and fails to consider that franchises are not built for consistent success with quick fixes and band aid solutions. I've been watching this team faithfully for almost 40 years...that hardly makes me a band wagon fan because I want to see the future good of the team addresssed in the hear and now.

I am critical of this team, but I always, always root for them. I root for every player to succeed and help this team, no matter what I wish for.

We all root for them to suceed. Sometimes that has to take a different turn and short term success has to take a back seat to the greater benefit of the team. I'd rather build a contender that pushes for the Superbowl every year than making a run now and then, and that might mean sacrificing a season somewhere along the line...including this one if necessary.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

IMO A bandwagon fan is a guy that loses faith and the desire to pull for his team in times of adversity. A Bandwagon fan is anyone who dared to wish we would suck last night so they could see Cutler get in the game. You can decide for yourself whether you fit into that category.

I am critical of this team, but I always, always root for them. I root for every player to succeed and help this team, no matter what I wish for.

been orange and blue since 72 , and whats worse is I see more Matt Robinson / Steve Deberg in Plummer ....there comes a time you habve to kiss the Starting QB good bye .......I would love Jake to stay and be a back up , but we all know that wont happen ..........

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by baja fan

The way the O line is playing and with Lepsis out for the season and now maybe Meadows out.

This team is not going anywhere as it stands today. Losing Lepsis was devastating to the running game and to pass protection too.

Putting Jay behind the line as it is not would be a bad idea for many reasons. First he could get badly hurt. he would be pounded as a rookie.

Maybe we should just wait until next year when our line is intact again.

Let him get pounded. Any quarterback who can't handle the physical abuse is going to wash out eventually anyway.

I want to see how he reacts the first time someone really lights him up.

[Jason in LA]

Badly hurt? He is a football player, you know? I wouldn't be too worried about his ego getting hurt if he performs badly. Nobody is expecting him to lead the team to the Super Bowl. Nobody is expecting him to produce right away. I'm of the opinion that if he starts the rest of the year and they miss the playoffs it wouldn't be the end of the world. The goal is to win the Super Bowl, not make the playoffs. With Plummer they aren't going to win the Super Bowl, so I wouldn't be all broken up if they miss the playoffs. Playing Cutler now will give him a head start on next year, when we will be expecting him to produce.

[UKBronco]

Not related to this thread, but anyone else have themselves a little chuckle when they saw #85 going across the middle and making a tough catch in traffic while getting pounded!?

Must be the first time that Jersey has been spotted doing that since..........