Hermindinger is here for Cutler not Jake

[Wes Mantooth]

I have had this theory for awhile now, but with Kubes leaving and the new offense that is now in place, it seems tailor made for our next QB and not our current one.

The lack of play action, QB keepers, etc... has set Plummer up to fail. He obviously struggles throwing in the pocket. Hell, even when he had room last night to run he didn't do it.

Cutler can make all the throws in this offense. Jake never had a fighting chance this season.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Interesting observation...so now the question is whether with Cutler here and destined to become the focal point of this offense do we continue with an offensive line more suited for rolling pockets and cut blocking at the expense of pure pocket pass protectors? Maybe we are going to become a more traitional O-line in the future.

[kamakazi_kal]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Interesting observation...so now the question is whether with Cutler here and destined to become the focal point of this offense do we continue with an offensive line more suited for rolling pockets and cut blocking at the expense of pure pocket pass protectors? Maybe we are going to become a more traitional O-line in the future.

i dont think so............cutler has more mobility then jake if you have watched any of jay's "vandy run for your life type OL" games

[Elway 4 Life]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

i dont think so............cutler has more mobility then jake if you have watched any of jay's "vandy run for your life type OL" games

I think Jay has a better pocket presence than Jake but Jake is far more elusive.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by kamakazi_kal

i dont think so............cutler has more mobility then jake if you have watched any of jay's "vandy run for your life type OL" games

My point had more to do with the relative value of the player...Jake as a caretaker and Jay (hopefully) as the centerpiece of the offense. In the past we've had a run-focused offense specifically designed to run via the system but sacrificing pass protection in the bargain. Elway had the mobility and arm to make it work (and a stronger line) and Griese/Plummer were subject to the run first philosophy, but if Jay's the stud we think he is we better find a way to protect him first and worry about evrything else later. We need an upgrade at 3 positions, center (Nalen's about done), right guard and right tackle. We ought to consider pass blocking as a premium skill this time around.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Elway 4 Life

I think Jay has a better pocket presence than Jake but Jake is far more elusive.

Cutler rushed for over 1200 yards at Vanderbilt. This is particularly impressive when you consider yardage lost on sacks counts against a quarterback's rushing numbers in college.

I think Cutler will prove very difficult to sack as a pro because he's not just an above average runner, but he's strong enough to shrug off arm tackles. He might not be able to wriggle out of tight spots like the Snake, but he'll bull his way out of some others.

[broncsyanks]

cutler hasnt played a down. while i want to see him play i am reserved due to the fact that he cant get everything done in one shot. even if hermdinger can help him its still a while a way IMHO. i think some of the teamates are behind cutler and they just cant say it. also this line does need repair. we have no tackles

[Northman]

Originally Posted by yoakum3

I have had this theory for awhile now, but with Kubes leaving and the new offense that is now in place, it seems tailor made for our next QB and not our current one.

The lack of play action, QB keepers, etc... has set Plummer up to fail. He obviously struggles throwing in the pocket. Hell, even when he had room last night to run he didn't do it.

Cutler can make all the throws in this offense. Jake never had a fighting chance this season.

So your theory is that Shanny threw this season away on purpose? I dont buy it.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Interesting observation...so now the question is whether with Cutler here and destined to become the focal point of this offense do we continue with an offensive line more suited for rolling pockets and cut blocking at the expense of pure pocket pass protectors? Maybe we are going to become a more traitional O-line in the future.

I think we stick with what we have done, but we will still end up being a more throw-oriented team. My guess is he will have more precision than Plummer and can make more plays in the pocket. Plummer seemed to only be accurrate on the run.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by Anubis

So your theory is that Shanny threw this season away on purpose? I dont buy it.

Nope. No one threw the season. But, it is a different offense. Jay is the long term solution and Hermindinger is here for the long term.

This offense will run better with a strong-armed, accurate QB that can manuever in the pocket and scramble when it gets bad.

[Barry Ramey]

True, Plummer scrambles seem to be way down this year and has seemed to be more worried about staying in the pocket. Only problem with this is the OL isn't really made up to be strong pass blockers for a pocket QB, one reason Griese struggled.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Cutler rushed for over 1200 yards at Vanderbilt. This is particularly impressive when you consider yardage lost on sacks counts against a quarterback's rushing numbers in college.

I think Cutler will prove very difficult to sack as a pro because he's not just an above average runner, but he's strong enough to shrug off arm tackles. He might not be able to wriggle out of tight spots like the Snake, but he'll bull his way out of some others.

Part of that is a little skewed because his first two years as the starter he ran the option, though ultimately that just proves the point that he can move, be elusive and we needn't worry about his durability.

As for Heimerdinger, his style definitely is more suited for Jay than Jake. Heimerdinger likes to stretch the field and attack the coverage in large chunks to keep the safeties deep and make big plays.

Kubes was all about giving the QB options. His packages don't stretch the field as often, but have a guy at every level of the coverage and almost always feature a dump-off guy to allow for easy, quick completions.

It's not hard to figure out which QB would have more success in which system.

[OrangeShadow]

I agree,i think the orginization sees the writing on the wall. This league isnt built for running qbs. Its become a drop back and pass league and a small o line isnt built for that. The problem is the fans and media are some impatient it makes it hard to change on the fly.

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

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As for Heimerdinger, his style definitely is more suited for Jay than Jake. Heimerdinger likes to stretch the field and attack the coverage in large chunks to keep the safeties deep and make big plays.

Kubes was all about giving the QB options. His packages don't stretch the field as often, but have a guy at every level of the coverage and almost always feature a dump-off guy to allow for easy, quick completions.

Well said, I think you just nailed the difference. I recall Shanny saying something to the effect of "we're running the same plays" when a reporter asked him about it but the O is obviously different and has been all year.