Time to find our #2 QB for 2007

[footstepsfrom#27]

It looks like all us agenda touting Jake hating Cutler lovers are getting our way. Assuming we do...it's time to talk about who we get for the #2 spot. There's no way it's Jake. I might have thought that could happen before but after witnessing the mother of all meltdowns he's put us through, I wouldn't want him here even as the backup, and he wouldn't want it either. So we have to decide who the next guy is who totes the clipboard. I think it's obvious that it should be a vet...but some might think that BVP should be brought back. I don't see that happening though. We need an experienced guy who can step in and do a very credible job if he needs to. This is not a decision that should be made hastily. So my question is...who is playing at a high level right now in the league that would be satisfied with the #2 spot in Denver next year...maybe an older guy who can tudor the youngster, pull an easy paycheck and knows he just might get a shot to guide a playoff run if the kid falters or gets hurt?

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

It looks like all us agenda touting Jake hating Cutler lovers are getting our way. Assuming we do...it's time to talk about who we get for the #2 spot. There's no way it's Jake. I might have thought that could happen before but after witnessing the mother of all meltdowns he's put us through, I wouldn't want him here even as the backup, and he wouldn't want it either. So we have to decide who the next guy is who totes the clipboard. I think it's obvious that it should be a vet...but some might think that BVP should be brought back. I don't see that happening though. We need an experienced guy who can step in and do a very credible job if he needs to. This is not a decision that should be made hastily. So my question is...who is playing at a high level right now in the league that would be satisfied with the #2 spot in Denver next year...maybe an older guy who can tudor the youngster, pull an easy paycheck and knows he just might get a shot to guide a playoff run if the kid falters or gets hurt?

It's going to be interesting allright. It depends on how Jay does if he does play this season. I'd like Shanahan, none the less, to use our extra 3rd pick from the skins to sign a signal caller who could be groomed behind Cutler and be molded by Shanahan's genius.

I don't know if signing a veteran would be viable. Todd Boiman maybe who impressed me with the Vikings a while back.

I think the biggest question this offseason is going to be around the S/DL positions and I would like to use the savings we get from cutting Plummer to grabbing one or two free agents.

[Jens1893]

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[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by fontaine

It's going to be interesting allright. It depends on how Jay does if he does play this season. I'd like Shanahan, none the less, to use our extra 3rd pick from the skins to sign a signal caller who could be groomed behind Cutler and be molded by Shanahan's genius.

I don't know if signing a veteran would be viable. Todd Boiman maybe who impressed me with the Vikings a while back.

There's no way Shanny will go with zero experience at the QB position. That eliminates a rookie as the #2 guy. If Campbell takes over in Washington, I wouldn't mind if we saw Brunell here. He's not starter material for a long season but would certainly fill the bill for a few games and he'd give Jay a mentor we could trust him to watch without emulating bad habits.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

There's no way Shanny will go with zero experience at the QB position. That eliminates a rookie as the #2 guy. If Campbell takes over in Washington, I wouldn't mind if we saw Brunell here. He's not starter material for a long season but would certainly fill the bill for a few games and he'd give Jay a mentor we could trust him to watch without emulating bad habits.

NOOOOO!!!!!!

Brunell has no legs and no power transfer to his arm. He make SOB arm look strong at times. Parson could field this role and he been in the system two years at this point or bring back Matt Mauck

[broncogary]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

There's no way Shanny will go with zero experience at the QB position. That eliminates a rookie as the #2 guy. If Campbell takes over in Washington, I wouldn't mind if we saw Brunell here. He's not starter material for a long season but would certainly fill the bill for a few games and he'd give Jay a mentor we could trust him to watch without emulating bad habits.

Naw, Jake's probably already taught him to throw left-handed.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think it has to be a guy who is fairly mobile because our miniature O-line struggles in pass protection. No Bledsoes or Vinny's...but it has to also be a buy who has shown skills and has the ability to run this offense, while at the same time it needs to be a guy who realizes he's in the stretch run of his career and isn't worried about getting the starting job. That's why I think Brunell is a good choice.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by elsid13

NOOOOO!!!!!!

Brunell has no legs and no power transfer to his arm. He make SOB arm look strong at times. Parson could field this role and he been in the system two years at this point or bring back Matt Mock

Brunell's played pretty well in Washington and neither Mauck or Parsons has anywhere near the experience we need in case Cutler goes down. It has to be a VETERAN...somebody who has already done it. Neither of those guys has proven anything. We don't even know if they can play at this level.

[ludo21]

Bvp!!!

[Northman]

It may very well be BVP. But, i think we need a veteran there in some way. Not sure who that option would be at this point but definitely someone with game experience.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Brunell's played pretty well in Washington and neither Mauck or Parsons has anywhere near the experience we need in case Cutler goes down. It has to be a VETERAN...somebody who has already done it. Neither of those guys has proven anything. We don't even know if they can play at this level.

Dude, I watched Brunell the last couple of years, and his legs are gone due to injuries, and isn't mobile at all. Worse because of the injuries he has problem transfering power from his legs through his core to his arm. Has problem hitting the outs. There is a reason the fan base in DC wanted Campbell.

[Barry Ramey]

They might try to bring in Frerotte again or a Tim Rattay as a backup and draft a QB in the middle of the draft or so like a Trent Edwards or John Beck.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Anubis

It may very well be BVP. But, i think we need a veteran there in some way. Not sure who that option would be at this point but definitely someone with game experience.

Miami has a decision to make if Culpepper comes back from injury. Harrington's played suprisingly well and they're suddenly winning with him. We wanted him too...would they let him or Culpepper go? Culpepper has some bad habits too...but are they Jake-like yet? Probably not. Omar Jacobs probably moves up to #2 in Pittsburgh next year, pushing Charlie Batch out. Would he be an option?

No to BVP/Parsons/Mauch/and anyone else who is not proven.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Dude, I watched Brunell the last couple of years, and his legs are gone due to injuries, and isn't mobile at all. Worse because of the injuries he has problem transfering power from his legs through his core to his arm. Has problem hitting the outs. There is a reason the fan base in DC wanted Campbell.

You may be right...I haven't watched him lately but last year people on this board said he deserved a pro bowl spot instead of Vick. Is he healthy or playing with injuries? If he's just playing hurt, he could heal on the bench.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

They might try to bring in Frerotte again or a Tim Rattay as a backup and draft a QB in the middle of the draft or so like a Trent Edwards or John Beck.

A big time NO to Free-rot...I saw enough of that already.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

I think it has to be a guy who is fairly mobile because our miniature O-line struggles in pass protection.

I hope this myth will be broken in the near future.

Going by this year, Jake has passed a lot more from the pocket since defenses at taking away the rollout game, so the argument that out OL can't hold up with a drop back passer simply isn't true this year.

They're not elite in pass protection, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's true that they struggle in pass protection from the evidence I've seen this season.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

You may be right...I haven't watched him lately but last year people on this board said he deserved a pro bowl spot instead of Vick. Is he healthy or playing with injuries? If he's just playing hurt, he could heal on the bench.

Brunell is done. He's got the heart but not the physical abilities any more. Bringing Brunell here would be an open invitation for teams to forget about defending the intermediate, long ball game.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I hope this myth will be broken in the near future.

Going by this year, Jake has passed a lot more from the pocket since defenses at taking away the rollout game, so the argument that out OL can't hold up with a drop back passer simply isn't true this year.

They're not elite in pass protection, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's true that they struggle in pass protection from the evidence I've seen this season.

What team are you watching? This O-line has consistently shown a lack of pass protection skills due to their size. Jake's mobility keeps our sack totals low but a less mobile QB would be a sitting duck.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Brunell is done. He's got the heart but not the physical abilities any more. Bringing Brunell here would be an open invitation for teams to forget about defending the intermediate, long ball game.

Kind of like they do now? If not Brunell, then who? The requirements IMO are these:

1) veteran
2) mobility
3) proven leadership
4) has won before
5) good fit for the WCO
6) no ambitions to start
7) not Jake

Let's list the guys who fit that description

[ward63]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Miami has a decision to make if Culpepper comes back from injury. Harrington's played suprisingly well and they're suddenly winning with him. We wanted him too...would they let him or Culpepper go? Culpepper has some bad habits too...but are they Jake-like yet? Probably not. Omar Jacobs probably moves up to #2 in Pittsburgh next year, pushing Charlie Batch out. Would he be an option?

No to BVP/Parsons/Mauch/and anyone else who is not proven.

No to Culpepper....I've watched this guy at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 2 years. Anways, I see guys that'll be FA w/experience(not saying we'll get b/c of salary):

Leftwich
Brooks
Nall/Holcomb
Huard(b/c of Croyle)
Batch
Volek (b/c of Whitehurst)
Rattay/Simms
Gus
Garcia/Feeley
Dilfer
Tim Hassellbeck
Bledsoe

I'm sure there will be more in there somewhere, but that's just some options I think that'll be out there.

[ludo21]

No ambition to start? Im sure that they know they will be the backup, but of course they are going to want to start.

A Vet behind Jay pushing him would make him even better imo.

Frerotte
Rattay
Batch

all good choices.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by ludo21

No ambition to start? Im sure that they know they will be the backup, but of course they are going to want to start.

A Vet behind Jay pushing him would make him even better imo.

Frerotte
Rattay
Batch

all good choices.

No to Free-rot...Batch or Rattay would be OK.

[Barry Ramey]

Leftwich - I have doubts he'd come to backup Cutler
Brooks - please no
Nall/Holcomb - I could see either one signing
Huard(b/c of Croyle) - maybe, but Green getting old
Batch - maybe, but might like Pittsburgh better
Volek (b/c of Whitehurst) - that's a good choice
Rattay/Simms - Rattay is possible, not sure if Simms is the future QB or not in Tampa
Gus - I'm not a fan of his, but they tried to sign him this past summer
Garcia/Feeley - no thanks to either
Dilfer - no thanks
Tim Hassellbeck - no thanks
Bledsoe- hell no

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by ward63

No to Culpepper....I've watched this guy at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out of the league in 2 years. Anways, I see guys that'll be FA w/experience(not saying we'll get b/c of salary):

Leftwich
Brooks
Nall/Holcomb
Huard(b/c of Croyle)
Batch
Volek (b/c of Whitehurst)
Rattay/Simms
Gus
Garcia/Feeley
Dilfer
Tim Hassellbeck
Bledsoe

I'm sure there will be more in there somewhere, but that's just some options I think that'll be out there.

No way Brooks should be on that list. Eliminate Leftwhich (he's staying in Jax), Gus (sucks), Garcia (to old), and Bledsoe (statue). You're left with Nall/Holcomb, Huard, Batch, Volek, Rattay/Simms, Feeley, Dilfer, Hasselbeck and maybe a few we haven't thought of. Of those...who fits the criteria of mobility, veteran leadership, proven winner, and can run the WCO?